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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
May 21 2012 19:58 GMT
#1281
On May 22 2012 02:27 Belha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 02:15 Roffles wrote:
Too bad God still sucks at SC2.

God inside bw.

Grubby was god of wc3, and in sc2, with like a year of practice, he is just an average non-korean pro.

Flash can easily become top 10 in the world (korea), which would be great, but still far from god status.


I wouldn´t call Grubby an average non korean pro... He is amongst the better foreigners
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
May 21 2012 19:58 GMT
#1282
On May 22 2012 04:27 Emperor_Earth wrote:
One note is that FlaSh took about one month (100% dedicated to BW) to start making waves in BW. Time's running out on him for an encore performance.

flash still isnt 100% dedicated to sc2 though.
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 21 2012 20:01 GMT
#1283
On May 22 2012 04:58 raf3776 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 04:27 Emperor_Earth wrote:
One note is that FlaSh took about one month (100% dedicated to BW) to start making waves in BW. Time's running out on him for an encore performance.

flash still isnt 100% dedicated to sc2 though.

he didnt do big waves in BW in one months, he just made courage, that took him a year.. I think?

Players making courage is uncommon but not "making big waves", players like Upmagic made it on his first try too
In the woods, there lurks..
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 20:40:17
May 21 2012 20:10 GMT
#1284
On May 22 2012 04:27 Emperor_Earth wrote:
One note is that FlaSh took about one month (100% dedicated to BW) to start making waves in BW. Time's running out on him for an encore performance.


Not like he was a high level amateur on the By. clan or was a practice partner for wemade fox before he went pro.

That'd be ridiculous.

(edit: wemade would have been pantech back then. although there is the interview about flash going to be a progamer for 1 month with KT in the same shindonga magazine linked below, he already had been an online practice partner and had tried previous courages where he got knocked out; there are interviews of him and fantasy talking about each other since amateur days, and jangbi even beat flash in a courage tournament to get his license and talked about their amateur days as well. But here's a interview with jaedong and flash where flash talked about how he got knocked out of a courage when he was a practice partner (would have been with pantech/wemade at the time): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111390#1. look for the "Q: When were you first aware of each other’s existence?". Flash had a quick rise as a bw progamer, especially since it usually takes like a year being on the B team living in the house to make a scratch, but he obviously was high level for a long time).

On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.


although I don't know where the video is, it did happen. It was even in an interview with shindonga magazine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=129095

Last time in the KBS’s “Science Café,” tests showed that Flash’s brain activity and regions are different from normal people. What do you personally think is most important aspect of being a progamer?
-To be able to win games, you need everything to align. A desire for victory, confidence, mental conditioning are all important factors. When a live game begins, a lot of players get nervous. Whether or not you can, at this point, conquer the fears and perform like you do in practice becomes crucial. Because of so many factors affecting it, results would obviously vary. Also, varied strategies is also a strong foundation for winning.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
May 21 2012 21:04 GMT
#1285
Thank you for the post, N.geNuity. Without that video or any methodology or conclusion then any assertion based on that video is basically worthless.
Korean Air, please save Fox.
_MagnuM_
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark136 Posts
May 23 2012 16:31 GMT
#1286
i'm not impressed.
We don’t stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
May 23 2012 16:37 GMT
#1287
On May 22 2012 06:04 maximuspita wrote:
Thank you for the post, N.geNuity. Without that video or any methodology or conclusion then any assertion based on that video is basically worthless.

It is still a basically worthless show-biz flick. It is not "Flash being different from average humans", it is "specialized individuals beind different from average humans".
Of course the brain of a decade-long trained player works differently when doing his thing. The same would go for your average good student, a musician, a juggler, you name it.
Piou
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium415 Posts
May 25 2012 10:28 GMT
#1288
Flash vs Haypro from haypro's replay pack (it's in french - you may give a thumb's up though )

http://www.youtube.com/PiouStarcraft - http://www.facebook.com/pioustarcraft
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
May 25 2012 14:41 GMT
#1289
On May 25 2012 19:28 Piou wrote:
Flash vs Haypro from haypro's replay pack (it's in french - you may give a thumb's up though )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYEHcZ17kvs


Bonjovi > Bonjwa

Makes sense
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
May 25 2012 14:47 GMT
#1290
On May 25 2012 19:28 Piou wrote:
Flash vs Haypro from haypro's replay pack (it's in french - you may give a thumb's up though )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYEHcZ17kvs

that's too french for me, though.
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
May 25 2012 15:03 GMT
#1291
On May 25 2012 19:28 Piou wrote:
Flash vs Haypro from haypro's replay pack (it's in french - you may give a thumb's up though )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYEHcZ17kvs


I like the castor, because French is a third language for me and he speaks slowly enough to understand. That's a pretty greedy opening without even scouting on Flash's part. If you ever play against him just 6-7-8-pool
zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
May 25 2012 15:23 GMT
#1292
On May 25 2012 19:28 Piou wrote:
Flash vs Haypro from haypro's replay pack (it's in french - you may give a thumb's up though )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYEHcZ17kvs


One thing that really stood out to me is Flash tends to make the most out of a small number of units. He forced his advantage several times throughout the game and his high-level knowledge of a game quite similar is apparent. I can't wait to see how good he gets later.
psillypsybic!
Fanek
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland344 Posts
May 25 2012 15:38 GMT
#1293
This game was played 1 month ago.
hello
frezMki
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany62 Posts
June 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#1294
He isn't using ||||||| ( 7 times |) anymore His last game was 12/05/2012 ^^ And they are playing 15h+ a day so probably around 30 games. MLG said even 50 Games for preperation...

Dunno why you hype it that much. Atm he just sucks.. he doesn't know the timings, he doesn't know all BO's. Watch MKP/MvP to improve.

Flash said its now 3 times.. The Kespa-Players NEED TIME to adapt. In which universe are you living, if you think that he will stomb out a GSL-Win after 1 month playing. Probably every High Master / Low GM of Europe beats him.
Haypro did :p
He will maybe own in 1 year, or like 6 months. To dominate like he did in BW he will need 2years+

-> Practise hard and you can be better than Flash Should be a motivation
They say if it's not broken don't fix it - Well, if it could be better it is as good as broken
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
June 30 2012 20:49 GMT
#1295
What mousepad is Flash using here?
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 21:00:09
June 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#1296
On May 22 2012 04:58 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 02:27 Belha wrote:
On May 22 2012 02:15 Roffles wrote:
Too bad God still sucks at SC2.

God inside bw.

Grubby was god of wc3, and in sc2, with like a year of practice, he is just an average non-korean pro.

Flash can easily become top 10 in the world (korea), which would be great, but still far from god status.


I wouldn´t call Grubby an average non korean pro... He is amongst the better foreigners


and grubby wasnt "god" of wc3. he was seen as god by the foreigner scene cause he was top 5 for several years. MOON was our god. grubby was one king amongst some other kings and yet one of the most powerful kings.

Flash will get incredibly good at sc2, you can see it already. i just hope spl didnt have entombed valley aka 3 base turtle map in their mappool :/
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Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
June 30 2012 21:23 GMT
#1297
At least Grubby was 'King' of Warcraft... He was above all koreans (with plenty of challengers at different times; Sweet, Check, Lyn, Sky etc.) Only real solid competitor was Moon.
Moon got his title because of his innovation (Or taking others quite new innovation and optimizing it to make it popular - Mass Dott anyone? Or introducing Seppelin micro. And the way he could always "play" with his opponents, even in big tournaments.)
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 00:27:10
July 01 2012 00:25 GMT
#1298
^With all due respect, Moon was the undisputed best player in WC3. Grubby was more of a Jaedong/Nada type.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 00:46:12
July 01 2012 00:39 GMT
#1299
On July 01 2012 09:25 polyphonyEX wrote:
^With all due respect, Moon was the undisputed best player in WC3. Grubby was more of a Jaedong/Nada type.


when i was watching more recent games, grubby was seemingly winning left and right at major events, and moon was falling off a bit towards the end of 2008. for that stretch of 6-9 months i wouldn't have argued that grubby wasn't like a sort of 'god' of wc3 during that stretch. i don't know what happened exactly because i wasn't a wc3 player, but orc players were just starting to win everything from there.

*edit*
i think i may have found the most awkward player introduction > _ < (WCG)
and djwheat is commentating!

*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
sieksdekciw
Profile Joined April 2012
240 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 01:11:28
July 01 2012 01:11 GMT
#1300
On May 22 2012 04:58 windsupernova wrote:

and grubby wasnt "god" of wc3. he was seen as god by the foreigner scene cause he was top 5 for several years. MOON was our god. grubby was one king amongst some other kings and yet one of the most powerful kings.

And the kings were four

To you Moon might have been the god, but for many of us Grubby and Lyn were the twin brother gods. Cause let's face it, NE wasn't exactly hard to play and in order to be competitive with Orc you needed really godlike micro.
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