• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:23
CEST 13:23
KST 20:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event8Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? [BSL22] RO16 Group B - Saturday 21:00 CEST BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2061 users

Flash SC2 FPVOD - Page 64

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 Next
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
May 21 2012 17:27 GMT
#1261
On May 22 2012 02:15 Roffles wrote:
Too bad God still sucks at SC2.

God inside bw.

Grubby was god of wc3, and in sc2, with like a year of practice, he is just an average non-korean pro.

Flash can easily become top 10 in the world (korea), which would be great, but still far from god status.
Chicken gank op
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
May 21 2012 17:55 GMT
#1262
On May 19 2012 06:46 wcr.4fun wrote:
the units in bw simply don't clump in a ball. that's one of the biggest issues imo in sc2. besides not having brood war's micro possibilities. (I want my muta's back!) :D crossing fingers for HOTS.


I don't know what to tell you guys. Just watch high level SC2 games? I haven't noticed any clump deathballs or lack of micro for a long time until I started watching these BW players play SC2.
KainiT
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria392 Posts
May 21 2012 18:00 GMT
#1263
On May 22 2012 02:55 fraktoasters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 06:46 wcr.4fun wrote:
the units in bw simply don't clump in a ball. that's one of the biggest issues imo in sc2. besides not having brood war's micro possibilities. (I want my muta's back!) :D crossing fingers for HOTS.


I don't know what to tell you guys. Just watch high level SC2 games? I haven't noticed any clump deathballs or lack of micro for a long time until I started watching these BW players play SC2.


Totally, stupid bw players schould l2p

On a more serious note: I tink some of them played actually very well, but until we see them compete in a tournament with regular sc2 players we will never really know. Thank god(not flash) we have mlg
With great power comes great responsibility.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
May 21 2012 18:03 GMT
#1264
flash macro/micro is fine he just needs to learn some strats. watched his match against effort and he stopped making siege tanks and got completely rolled when the 2nd wave of blings hit.
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
May 21 2012 18:09 GMT
#1265
On May 19 2012 07:16 gn0m wrote:
I don't really see how anyone can get hyped about these videos.. he looks like a random C/C+player on iCCup


Pretty much. And he didn't look good in PL either.

I'd imagine he'll be good eventually, but it's pretty clear he's quite behind the meta game and just isn't good right now. His reaction times looked pretty good, as did his micro; he did a damn good job microing against a ling/bling bust, just imagine if he had more siege tanks.

If anything this has just made the "elephant in the room" nonsense even more ridiculous. I saw nothing to suggest Flash or Jaedong will dominate anything this year. They won't catch MVP, DRG, Parting, etc this year
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 21 2012 18:12 GMT
#1266
On May 22 2012 03:09 PhoenixDark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 07:16 gn0m wrote:
I don't really see how anyone can get hyped about these videos.. he looks like a random C/C+player on iCCup


Pretty much. And he didn't look good in PL either.

I'd imagine he'll be good eventually, but it's pretty clear he's quite behind the meta game and just isn't good right now. His reaction times looked pretty good, as did his micro; he did a damn good job microing against a ling/bling bust, just imagine if he had more siege tanks.

If anything this has just made the "elephant in the room" nonsense even more ridiculous. I saw nothing to suggest Flash or Jaedong will dominate anything this year. They won't catch MVP, DRG, Parting, etc this year


Give em a few months. Beyond that, the SC2 is just emptier. Effort maxed out in 10 minutes with no roaches. If that's the future of SC2, I quit.
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 18:19:27
May 21 2012 18:17 GMT
#1267
On May 22 2012 03:12 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 03:09 PhoenixDark wrote:
On May 19 2012 07:16 gn0m wrote:
I don't really see how anyone can get hyped about these videos.. he looks like a random C/C+player on iCCup


Pretty much. And he didn't look good in PL either.

I'd imagine he'll be good eventually, but it's pretty clear he's quite behind the meta game and just isn't good right now. His reaction times looked pretty good, as did his micro; he did a damn good job microing against a ling/bling bust, just imagine if he had more siege tanks.

If anything this has just made the "elephant in the room" nonsense even more ridiculous. I saw nothing to suggest Flash or Jaedong will dominate anything this year. They won't catch MVP, DRG, Parting, etc this year


Give em a few months. Beyond that, the SC2 is just emptier. Effort maxed out in 10 minutes with no roaches. If that's the future of SC2, I quit.


effort was able to drone up and saturate 3 bases without ever making a single unit because flash never did anything, not surprising he maxed in 10 (actually it was 12 or 13?)minutes, and certainly not the future of sc2
Ameisenmann
Profile Joined April 2012
Albania296 Posts
May 21 2012 18:17 GMT
#1268
On May 22 2012 03:12 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 03:09 PhoenixDark wrote:
On May 19 2012 07:16 gn0m wrote:
I don't really see how anyone can get hyped about these videos.. he looks like a random C/C+player on iCCup


Pretty much. And he didn't look good in PL either.

I'd imagine he'll be good eventually, but it's pretty clear he's quite behind the meta game and just isn't good right now. His reaction times looked pretty good, as did his micro; he did a damn good job microing against a ling/bling bust, just imagine if he had more siege tanks.

If anything this has just made the "elephant in the room" nonsense even more ridiculous. I saw nothing to suggest Flash or Jaedong will dominate anything this year. They won't catch MVP, DRG, Parting, etc this year


Give em a few months. Beyond that, the SC2 is just emptier. Effort maxed out in 10 minutes with no roaches. If that's the future of SC2, I quit.

I think those games are more the past than the future of sc2. Also, it wasn't 10 minutes but 13, and there was no pressure at all.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
May 21 2012 18:18 GMT
#1269
I don't think flash crossed halfway across the map with an offensive unit. Yeah, it's very easy to max up then.
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 18:56:02
May 21 2012 18:24 GMT
#1270
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.
Korean Air, please save Fox.
Twiggs
Profile Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 18:56:38
May 21 2012 18:55 GMT
#1271
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.
My life for Auir | FLASH . JD . BISU . HERO . Nony . Incontrol . FIGHTING
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
May 21 2012 19:01 GMT
#1272
On May 22 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.

I couldn't care less if (or when for some of you) Flash will dominate in SC2 but it should take him around 1.5-2 years to get Top Code S good in SC2. That is however full 12 hours on SC2, not switching games like this season.
Korean Air, please save Fox.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
May 21 2012 19:04 GMT
#1273
On May 22 2012 04:01 maximuspita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.

I couldn't care less if (or when for some of you) Flash will dominate in SC2 but it should take him around 1.5-2 years to get Top Code S good in SC2. That is however full 12 hours on SC2, not switching games like this season.


So basicly you think Flash would need exactly as long as...everyone else who started playing SC2 right after release?

I seriously doubt that.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
maximuspita
Profile Joined April 2010
1093 Posts
May 21 2012 19:18 GMT
#1274
On May 22 2012 04:04 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 04:01 maximuspita wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.

I couldn't care less if (or when for some of you) Flash will dominate in SC2 but it should take him around 1.5-2 years to get Top Code S good in SC2. That is however full 12 hours on SC2, not switching games like this season.


So basicly you think Flash would need exactly as long as...everyone else who started playing SC2 right after release?

I seriously doubt that.

It's just a heuristic based on average amount of time to master a skill (which is around 10K hours - http://www.psy.fsu.edu/faculty/ericsson/ericsson.exp.perf.html). Do you honestly believe Flash might win a GSL Code S before 2013?
Korean Air, please save Fox.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 21 2012 19:21 GMT
#1275
On May 22 2012 04:04 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 04:01 maximuspita wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.

I couldn't care less if (or when for some of you) Flash will dominate in SC2 but it should take him around 1.5-2 years to get Top Code S good in SC2. That is however full 12 hours on SC2, not switching games like this season.


So basicly you think Flash would need exactly as long as...everyone else who started playing SC2 right after release?

I seriously doubt that.


he would certainly not require 2 years to get to where the top sc2 pros are right now. but while flash tries to catch up, the current top players improve aswell. flash has to improve faster than them to catch up, which might very well take some time, even for someone as gifted and dedicated as him.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
May 21 2012 19:27 GMT
#1276
One note is that FlaSh took about one month (100% dedicated to BW) to start making waves in BW. Time's running out on him for an encore performance.
@Emperor_Earth ------- "Amat Victoria Curam."
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
May 21 2012 19:28 GMT
#1277
On May 22 2012 04:01 maximuspita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.

I couldn't care less if (or when for some of you) Flash will dominate in SC2 but it should take him around 1.5-2 years to get Top Code S good in SC2. That is however full 12 hours on SC2, not switching games like this season.

I give him 6months until he gets to top code S level, he really is that talented. However, to reach the level of play he has in bw it will maybe take him 2years or more.
Everything is under the assumption that he trains sc2 very seriously, which is not the case at the moment, given that he has to split up his practice time with bw.
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 19:32:04
May 21 2012 19:31 GMT
#1278
hes training for the osl. after hes finish with that and this wierd hybird proleague. he will be full time sc2.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
May 21 2012 19:41 GMT
#1279
On May 22 2012 04:21 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 04:04 sleepingdog wrote:
On May 22 2012 04:01 maximuspita wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.

I couldn't care less if (or when for some of you) Flash will dominate in SC2 but it should take him around 1.5-2 years to get Top Code S good in SC2. That is however full 12 hours on SC2, not switching games like this season.


So basicly you think Flash would need exactly as long as...everyone else who started playing SC2 right after release?

I seriously doubt that.


he would certainly not require 2 years to get to where the top sc2 pros are right now. but while flash tries to catch up, the current top players improve aswell. flash has to improve faster than them to catch up, which might very well take some time, even for someone as gifted and dedicated as him.


This requires two assumptions to hold:
a) BW-skills are irrelevant - they aren't, Flash basicly has the mechanics...already.
b) Everyone improves "individually" - which isn't true as well. What I mean by that is that the last 2 years the metagame has changed rather quickly because everyone has had access to many reps/vods. This will help BW-pros tremendously. They won't have to learn the game "by themselves", like someone who has never played tennis or tried to swim. They can profit from the improvements of their competitors as well.

To answer the question if Flash could win a GSL in 2012: no; but that's mainly because he won't be able to focus 100% on SC2. Even if he wants to, the psychological "pressure" to keep playing his A-game in BW will be detrimental.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Twiggs
Profile Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
May 21 2012 19:54 GMT
#1280
On May 22 2012 04:41 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 04:21 Black Gun wrote:
On May 22 2012 04:04 sleepingdog wrote:
On May 22 2012 04:01 maximuspita wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:55 R3demption wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:24 maximuspita wrote:
On May 18 2012 13:31 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 14 2012 12:08 dsousa wrote:
On May 14 2012 11:32 snakeeyez wrote:
Im not sure how anyone knows for 100 percent sure its actually flash, but it does look like a top player from BW. If he actually is as high ranking as people say and he has not watched any vods from current top pros its pretty amazing how good he actually played. That is a very short amount of time to be able to play against a pro sc2 player and win a competitive game with nothing more then marines tanks medivacs.


Yes, that surprised me too. How both Flash and Kawaii had the same build. They're already at the same spot in the meta game.

He just needs to swim with the big fish for a few months and then take over.

Certainly he'll have a psychological edge against most top sc2 players, especially on stage and in big matches. Its clear everyone worships him, and at the very least has a healthy respect for him. I've never seen a Korean utter a negative sentiments towards Flash. Not even remotely negative.

Fascinating to watch. Need more replays!


Not to mention Flash has a mind of steel... He literally will just will himself to several victories because he's unfazed in like any situation... Kinda like Jaedong during his Tyrant reign where Flash could barely keep up. Oh and Flash was analyzed by psychologists a couple years back, and they said his brain functions differently from the average human... It came out in national Korean television during a science show... Closest thing i can think of right now is like Mythbusters but not busting myths... just finding out cool science facts... They had him hooked up to a machine and found out that the colors and graphics of a screen barely register anything in his brain so his full brain is solely focused on the battle and not the flashy screen... That's why he can filter anything that would hinder his brainpower and only focus completely~



I would like a link of this supposed video. The one I remember was XellOs in a NatGeo documentary and it showed nothing remarkable if you know how mastery of skills work.

Personally I think Flash will dominate SC 2. Based on the fact that he dominated BW through training; not because of some special kind of brain or natural talent he was born with... I think all the level headed TLers believe just as I do, that Flash will dominate because of his amazing practice routine. 13-14 hours a day and you will be good at anything you want.

I couldn't care less if (or when for some of you) Flash will dominate in SC2 but it should take him around 1.5-2 years to get Top Code S good in SC2. That is however full 12 hours on SC2, not switching games like this season.


So basicly you think Flash would need exactly as long as...everyone else who started playing SC2 right after release?

I seriously doubt that.


he would certainly not require 2 years to get to where the top sc2 pros are right now. but while flash tries to catch up, the current top players improve aswell. flash has to improve faster than them to catch up, which might very well take some time, even for someone as gifted and dedicated as him.


This requires two assumptions to hold:
a) BW-skills are irrelevant - they aren't, Flash basicly has the mechanics...already.
b) Everyone improves "individually" - which isn't true as well. What I mean by that is that the last 2 years the metagame has changed rather quickly because everyone has had access to many reps/vods. This will help BW-pros tremendously. They won't have to learn the game "by themselves", like someone who has never played tennis or tried to swim. They can profit from the improvements of their competitors as well.

To answer the question if Flash could win a GSL in 2012: no; but that's mainly because he won't be able to focus 100% on SC2. Even if he wants to, the psychological "pressure" to keep playing his A-game in BW will be detrimental.
Not to mention he has the support of a top-tier Team house and limitless resources for learning the meta quicker (I'm sure the teams will bring in SC 2 coaches to speed up the transition faster). That plus training 14 hours a day will cover some ground pretty quickly.
My life for Auir | FLASH . JD . BISU . HERO . Nony . Incontrol . FIGHTING
Prev 1 62 63 64 65 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 5: Group B
Solar vs herOLIVE!
Tasteless565
IntoTheiNu 356
Ryung 317
IndyStarCraft 235
3DClanTV 119
Rex110
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 565
Ryung 317
IndyStarCraft 235
TKL 131
Rex 110
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49979
Horang2 1560
Shuttle 477
Soma 329
Hyuk 324
Rush 324
EffOrt 271
Last 192
firebathero 190
Leta 172
[ Show more ]
Killer 169
ggaemo 146
ToSsGirL 103
PianO 93
Pusan 87
Hm[arnc] 72
Sharp 55
[sc1f]eonzerg 54
Sacsri 33
NaDa 31
IntoTheRainbow 20
Barracks 19
Shine 16
JulyZerg 13
yabsab 12
Noble 12
GoRush 10
Dota 2
XaKoH 766
XcaliburYe290
monkeys_forever181
Counter-Strike
zeus1227
edward124
Other Games
singsing2068
B2W.Neo1170
Liquid`RaSZi660
DeMusliM315
Livibee104
ArmadaUGS31
MindelVK18
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV530
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream59
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1613
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2h 37m
BSL
7h 37m
IPSL
7h 37m
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
12h 37m
Replay Cast
21h 37m
Wardi Open
22h 37m
Afreeca Starleague
22h 37m
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 22h
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
1d 22h
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
1d 23h
GSL
2 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
3 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
3 days
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.