EPTOn May 12 2012 13:51 amazingxkcd wrote:
And he had 100% winrate last proleague until he had two losses to Dear and Stardust (M18M) Apparently, reavers are OP.
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On May 12 2012 13:48 Sinensis wrote:
Okay enough with you during Flash's dominant period he had closer to a 90% win rate with win streaks 10 games and longer. He had a 22 game win streak in TvT. He had a 13 game win streak PvT. He had a 14 game win streak vs all races.
Your facts are wrong.
On May 12 2012 13:33 Cassel_Castle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Dude I know that. That's my point. Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, Naniwa, HasuObs, and others rose up from the "toilets" of WC3 to be better than Moon, Grubby, ToD, etc. because it's a completely different game.
Are you kidding? MVP beat Flash. MC beat Effort. Even Idra, who was way below the levels of everyone else, took practice games off of A-teamers. BW was way more volatile than people remember, no one could maintain a 70%+ winrate in BW just like no one can maintain it in SC2.
Besides Flash, all of the "bonjwas" had around a 68%-69% win rate in their period of dominance. That's all it took to be considered the best of the best. In 2010 or 11 I think there were only 5 players with a career 60%+ winrate. 5.
On May 12 2012 13:32 Sinensis wrote:
All the Sc2 pros you just named were Brood War B-teamers. They cleaned the toilets in the team house.
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On May 12 2012 13:26 Cassel_Castle wrote:
If you just look at ex-WC3 players as a subset of SC2 players, the top players from WC3 are not the best players in SC2. Why do people expect it to be different with BW players?
If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing?
If you just look at ex-WC3 players as a subset of SC2 players, the top players from WC3 are not the best players in SC2. Why do people expect it to be different with BW players?
If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing?
All the Sc2 pros you just named were Brood War B-teamers. They cleaned the toilets in the team house.
Dude I know that. That's my point. Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, Naniwa, HasuObs, and others rose up from the "toilets" of WC3 to be better than Moon, Grubby, ToD, etc. because it's a completely different game.
In WC3, it was very possible for players like Stephano, Naniwa, etc. to take games off players like Grubby, Moon, etc. That shit just doesn't happen in BW.
Are you kidding? MVP beat Flash. MC beat Effort. Even Idra, who was way below the levels of everyone else, took practice games off of A-teamers. BW was way more volatile than people remember, no one could maintain a 70%+ winrate in BW just like no one can maintain it in SC2.
Besides Flash, all of the "bonjwas" had around a 68%-69% win rate in their period of dominance. That's all it took to be considered the best of the best. In 2010 or 11 I think there were only 5 players with a career 60%+ winrate. 5.
Okay enough with you during Flash's dominant period he had closer to a 90% win rate with win streaks 10 games and longer. He had a 22 game win streak in TvT. He had a 13 game win streak PvT. He had a 14 game win streak vs all races.
Your facts are wrong.
And he had 100% winrate last proleague until he had two losses to Dear and Stardust (M18M) Apparently, reavers are OP.
He said besides Flash, guy. Read the post again.
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