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On May 12 2012 13:56 zaii wrote:Let me quote this martyr from Reddit Show nested quote +People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse.
I don't remember kespa "making it impossible for foreigners to compete in their events", foreigners just weren't good enough. This redditor is clueless about that. Anyone can try to win the courage, it's not koreans only.
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Maybe off-topic but when they say "KeSPA players" that exclusively means BW pros who are switching to SC2, right? All SC2 Korean pros who play GSL at GomTV are not under KeSPA and won't be in near future and will be able to compete at any foreign tournament? I am getting kinda confused with this BW-SC2 pros merge and mixed Proleague. :/
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I think one point should not be overlooked. We are going to see a big jump in game quality in the next year. Time to separate the boys from the men :D.
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On May 12 2012 21:42 Marti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:56 zaii wrote:Let me quote this martyr from Reddit People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse. I don't remember kespa "making it impossible for foreigners to compete in their events", foreigners just weren't good enough. This redditor is clueless about that. Anyone can try to win the courage, it's not koreans only.
It's more bullshit from SC2 players who don't know anything about the history of BW. Every event there was a reason to send players, Kespa sent players. Blizzcon, WWI, WCG, etc. There were no foreign events for them to shun. I don't know how people like that can continually try to pass off their BS as fact
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On May 12 2012 21:52 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 21:42 Marti wrote:On May 12 2012 13:56 zaii wrote:Let me quote this martyr from Reddit People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse. I don't remember kespa "making it impossible for foreigners to compete in their events", foreigners just weren't good enough. This redditor is clueless about that. Anyone can try to win the courage, it's not koreans only. It's more bullshit from SC2 players who don't know anything about the history of BW. Every event there was a reason to send players, Kespa sent players. Blizzcon, WWI, WCG, etc. There were no foreign events for them to shun. I don't know how people like that can continually try to pass off their BS as fact
Totally agree! People like to bash KeSPA for some of the things they have done, but saying they do not allowing their players to participate in foreign tournaments is a ridiculous statement, as there were no tournaments outside korea apart from the ones you mentioned. And the thing about not letting anyone outside participate in their tournaments? What's up with that bullshit? Go to korea, go through Courage and you are free to to join any preliminaries you want. But because there have been no non koreans in MSL and OSL for the last decade people assume this is because of some kind of restriction... It's like all the new people have a hard time grasping the vast difference between the korean pros and the rest of the world... The gap was insane
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On May 12 2012 17:47 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:40 Ownos wrote:On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.
...WCG? I think you mean Blizzcon. Since regional championships are... regional. I'm not sure if a grand finals were ever held in the US. 2010 WCG Grand Finals were held in LA. Flash, Kal, and Jaedong competed, and Flash won.
That was the one where Flash saved Kal from drowning in a pool right?
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On May 12 2012 21:42 Marti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:56 zaii wrote:Let me quote this martyr from Reddit People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse. I don't remember kespa "making it impossible for foreigners to compete in their events", foreigners just weren't good enough. This redditor is clueless about that. Anyone can try to win the courage, it's not koreans only.
yea I actually laughed and stopped reading after that bullshit. Yet people retweet and praise this crap as if MLG has tamed the beast called KeSPA lol
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On May 12 2012 06:54 figq wrote:
So on SotG they just announced there's gonna be 8 progamers, one from each team, but most likely not ACE, because they aren't allowed out of the air forces.
Thus I edit down my list of hoping:
ACE: - FIREBATHERO
T8: Jaedong
STX: Calm
Stars: Soulkey
CJ: Effort
KT: Flash
Khan: Stork
SKT: Bisu, Fantasy
edit: They also confirmed it's gonna be single elimination format.
fixed with the only possible player ACE could send, a thousand nerds will faint at the sight of a FBH ceremony if he manages to win... maybe also TheRock so he can beat jaedong and do his throatcutting ceremony
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Will be cool, I just hope blizzard fixes the balance issues so every race can play a complete game without being too weak at certain points. Then add some more micro able units into the expansion so the top guys can distinguish themselves from lower level pro players.
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On May 12 2012 21:38 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 21:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.
Up until now, everyone has looked to avoid conflicts with each other on an open playing field. In the future, DH, IEM and IPL have to be extra nice to make sure MLG gives you a share of their BW players.
Or if its like how MLG managed other communities, as long as you tournament does not conflict with there event then they can talk business. Although, like I said earlier, there wont be a limitless amount of days that these BW proes are available especially if you consider the likelihood that that they will eventually participate in the GSL and that the GSL pros will eventually participate in whatever OGN will name its sc2 league.
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This is definitely a great news. I will definitely be tuning in to see the matches 
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On May 13 2012 02:30 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 21:38 rotegirte wrote:On May 12 2012 21:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.
Up until now, everyone has looked to avoid conflicts with each other on an open playing field. In the future, DH, IEM and IPL have to be extra nice to make sure MLG gives you a share of their BW players. Or if its like how MLG managed other communities, as long as you tournament does not conflict with there event then they can talk business. Although, like I said earlier, there wont be a limitless amount of days that these BW proes are available especially if you consider the likelihood that that they will eventually participate in the GSL and that the GSL pros will eventually participate in whatever OGN will name its sc2 league.
You don't exactly get my point. Up until now it was an open market. If DH wanted to invite GSL players, they talked to the teams. If their schedule allowed it, they could decide to go or not. DH could offer incentives to make that decision easier. GSL had no say in that regard.
The fact KeSPA controls their players cannot be changed anytime soon- so that has to be accepted. Maybe KeSPA doesn't put up any requirements or demands, it is entirely up to them. Again, something which we simply have to live with right now.
We are not talking about how MLG managed their own random communities. It's about weight, and how much you can bring onto the bargain table between competitors. Of course, larger organizations have a more powerful stance while negotiating with ones of smaller size. There have been, however, a few organizations that can be considered nearly equal. DH conflicted with MLG Arena. Sometimes schedules just don't align perfectly- but given their positions and sizes it made more sense for MLG and DH to make a deal out of it. Give and take.
Now it's different. MLG holds more than every other western organization- the exclusive right to BW players. Since they and KeSPA now synchronize their economical efforts. DH would not only have to accommodate KeSPA in order to get access to BW players, but also will be faced with MLG's demands. It is certainly good for MLG. It is a move every other company would also have taken. Fact of the matter is, they are in a more powerful position now, with more assets to trade with and the exclusive access to it. I merely raise the question whether it'd be the best thing to put this amount of power at this time into one couple of hands.
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On May 13 2012 03:32 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 02:30 Adreme wrote:On May 12 2012 21:38 rotegirte wrote:On May 12 2012 21:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.
Up until now, everyone has looked to avoid conflicts with each other on an open playing field. In the future, DH, IEM and IPL have to be extra nice to make sure MLG gives you a share of their BW players. Or if its like how MLG managed other communities, as long as you tournament does not conflict with there event then they can talk business. Although, like I said earlier, there wont be a limitless amount of days that these BW proes are available especially if you consider the likelihood that that they will eventually participate in the GSL and that the GSL pros will eventually participate in whatever OGN will name its sc2 league. You don't exactly get my point. Up until now it was an open market. If DH wanted to invite GSL players, they talked to the teams. If their schedule allowed it, they could decide to go or not. DH could offer incentives to make that decision easier. GSL had no say in that regard. The fact KeSPA controls their players cannot be changed anytime soon- so that has to be accepted. Maybe KeSPA doesn't put up any requirements or demands, it is entirely up to them. Again, something which we simply have to live with right now. We are not talking about how MLG managed their own random communities. It's about weight, and how much you can bring onto the bargain table between competitors. Of course, larger organizations have a more powerful stance while negotiating with ones of smaller size. There have been, however, a few organizations that can be considered nearly equal. DH conflicted with MLG Arena. Sometimes schedules just don't align perfectly- but given their positions and sizes it made more sense for MLG and DH to make a deal out of it. Give and take. Now it's different. MLG holds more than every other western organization- the exclusive right to BW players. Since they and KeSPA now synchronize their economical efforts. DH would not only have to accommodate KeSPA in order to get access to BW players, but also will be faced with MLG's demands. It is certainly good for MLG. It is a move every other company would also have taken. Fact of the matter is, they are in a more powerful position now, with more assets to trade with and the exclusive access to it. I merely raise the question whether it'd be the best thing to put this amount of power at this time into one couple of hands.
I would say only tournament that had anywhere near prestige was Dreamhack. MLG and Dreamhack are pretty clearly the two biggest Starcraft 2 tournaments outside of Korea and viewership represents that. MLG is clearly not going to withold there players from the events unless they conflict with theres and that pretty clearly makes MLG that biggest SC2 tournament outside of Korea.
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On May 13 2012 03:57 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 03:32 rotegirte wrote:On May 13 2012 02:30 Adreme wrote:On May 12 2012 21:38 rotegirte wrote:On May 12 2012 21:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.
Up until now, everyone has looked to avoid conflicts with each other on an open playing field. In the future, DH, IEM and IPL have to be extra nice to make sure MLG gives you a share of their BW players. Or if its like how MLG managed other communities, as long as you tournament does not conflict with there event then they can talk business. Although, like I said earlier, there wont be a limitless amount of days that these BW proes are available especially if you consider the likelihood that that they will eventually participate in the GSL and that the GSL pros will eventually participate in whatever OGN will name its sc2 league. You don't exactly get my point. Up until now it was an open market. If DH wanted to invite GSL players, they talked to the teams. If their schedule allowed it, they could decide to go or not. DH could offer incentives to make that decision easier. GSL had no say in that regard. The fact KeSPA controls their players cannot be changed anytime soon- so that has to be accepted. Maybe KeSPA doesn't put up any requirements or demands, it is entirely up to them. Again, something which we simply have to live with right now. We are not talking about how MLG managed their own random communities. It's about weight, and how much you can bring onto the bargain table between competitors. Of course, larger organizations have a more powerful stance while negotiating with ones of smaller size. There have been, however, a few organizations that can be considered nearly equal. DH conflicted with MLG Arena. Sometimes schedules just don't align perfectly- but given their positions and sizes it made more sense for MLG and DH to make a deal out of it. Give and take. Now it's different. MLG holds more than every other western organization- the exclusive right to BW players. Since they and KeSPA now synchronize their economical efforts. DH would not only have to accommodate KeSPA in order to get access to BW players, but also will be faced with MLG's demands. It is certainly good for MLG. It is a move every other company would also have taken. Fact of the matter is, they are in a more powerful position now, with more assets to trade with and the exclusive access to it. I merely raise the question whether it'd be the best thing to put this amount of power at this time into one couple of hands. I would say only tournament that had anywhere near prestige was Dreamhack. MLG and Dreamhack are pretty clearly the two biggest Starcraft 2 tournaments outside of Korea and viewership represents that. MLG is clearly not going to withold there players from the events unless they conflict with theres and that pretty clearly makes MLG that biggest SC2 tournament outside of Korea.
A last time: Aynthing and everything related to BW-->SC2 will also depend on MLG's good will, not an open competition
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It depends on how MLG will use their contract with KeSPA. It can be used for the better or for the worse of SC2 growth.
But one thing is sure: SC2 audience is very smart and likely to steamroll anything that goes against their slightly anarchist nerd views (PPV streams, intransparency, closeness, big corporation etc.). MLG should be very cautious how they handle their new found global power. Just one step too far and they will lose support, which will be mulitplied by the accessability of information online.
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On May 12 2012 22:14 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:47 Kiett wrote:On May 12 2012 17:40 Ownos wrote:On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.
...WCG? I think you mean Blizzcon. Since regional championships are... regional. I'm not sure if a grand finals were ever held in the US. 2010 WCG Grand Finals were held in LA. Flash, Kal, and Jaedong competed, and Flash won. That was the one where Flash saved Kal from drowning in a pool right?
The other way round, I think. ;p
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On May 13 2012 04:01 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 03:57 Adreme wrote:On May 13 2012 03:32 rotegirte wrote:On May 13 2012 02:30 Adreme wrote:On May 12 2012 21:38 rotegirte wrote:On May 12 2012 21:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.
Up until now, everyone has looked to avoid conflicts with each other on an open playing field. In the future, DH, IEM and IPL have to be extra nice to make sure MLG gives you a share of their BW players. Or if its like how MLG managed other communities, as long as you tournament does not conflict with there event then they can talk business. Although, like I said earlier, there wont be a limitless amount of days that these BW proes are available especially if you consider the likelihood that that they will eventually participate in the GSL and that the GSL pros will eventually participate in whatever OGN will name its sc2 league. You don't exactly get my point. Up until now it was an open market. If DH wanted to invite GSL players, they talked to the teams. If their schedule allowed it, they could decide to go or not. DH could offer incentives to make that decision easier. GSL had no say in that regard. The fact KeSPA controls their players cannot be changed anytime soon- so that has to be accepted. Maybe KeSPA doesn't put up any requirements or demands, it is entirely up to them. Again, something which we simply have to live with right now. We are not talking about how MLG managed their own random communities. It's about weight, and how much you can bring onto the bargain table between competitors. Of course, larger organizations have a more powerful stance while negotiating with ones of smaller size. There have been, however, a few organizations that can be considered nearly equal. DH conflicted with MLG Arena. Sometimes schedules just don't align perfectly- but given their positions and sizes it made more sense for MLG and DH to make a deal out of it. Give and take. Now it's different. MLG holds more than every other western organization- the exclusive right to BW players. Since they and KeSPA now synchronize their economical efforts. DH would not only have to accommodate KeSPA in order to get access to BW players, but also will be faced with MLG's demands. It is certainly good for MLG. It is a move every other company would also have taken. Fact of the matter is, they are in a more powerful position now, with more assets to trade with and the exclusive access to it. I merely raise the question whether it'd be the best thing to put this amount of power at this time into one couple of hands. I would say only tournament that had anywhere near prestige was Dreamhack. MLG and Dreamhack are pretty clearly the two biggest Starcraft 2 tournaments outside of Korea and viewership represents that. MLG is clearly not going to withold there players from the events unless they conflict with theres and that pretty clearly makes MLG that biggest SC2 tournament outside of Korea. A last time: Aynthing and everything related to BW-->SC2 will also depend on MLG's good will, not an open competition
Honestly, out of all the western organizations, I feel like MLG is doing the best job in not only furthering the StarCraft scene but also listening to their customers/viewers. They made their first big move when they started to bring Koreans to MLGs through the GSL partnership. Then people complained about stagnant pools. MLG created the qualifier and arena system to help bring in new blood (and if you look at players qualified for this Arena 2, it's working I'd say). MLG tried the PPV system, acknowledged that it was maybe a little too expensive and adjusted their pricing accordingly. When I look at other organizations, I can't help but feel like they're lagging behind or completely lacking. IPL invited Idra and White-Ra to IPL4 for winning IPL1 and 2 respectively, events that were held pretty much a year before IPL4. They did partner with GSL but only after Koreans in 'foreign' tournaments was an expected thing. Comparing the stream coverage between MLG and IPL, IPL was lacking (less streams, more idle/down time). NASL is sort of doing their own thing (and doing an amazing job in Season 3). Dreamhack doesn't seem to be as focused on SC2 as IPL or MLG are. Given MLG's track record, I'm optimistic about the MLG-Kespa partnership.
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On May 13 2012 04:01 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 03:57 Adreme wrote:On May 13 2012 03:32 rotegirte wrote:On May 13 2012 02:30 Adreme wrote:On May 12 2012 21:38 rotegirte wrote:On May 12 2012 21:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.
Up until now, everyone has looked to avoid conflicts with each other on an open playing field. In the future, DH, IEM and IPL have to be extra nice to make sure MLG gives you a share of their BW players. Or if its like how MLG managed other communities, as long as you tournament does not conflict with there event then they can talk business. Although, like I said earlier, there wont be a limitless amount of days that these BW proes are available especially if you consider the likelihood that that they will eventually participate in the GSL and that the GSL pros will eventually participate in whatever OGN will name its sc2 league. You don't exactly get my point. Up until now it was an open market. If DH wanted to invite GSL players, they talked to the teams. If their schedule allowed it, they could decide to go or not. DH could offer incentives to make that decision easier. GSL had no say in that regard. The fact KeSPA controls their players cannot be changed anytime soon- so that has to be accepted. Maybe KeSPA doesn't put up any requirements or demands, it is entirely up to them. Again, something which we simply have to live with right now. We are not talking about how MLG managed their own random communities. It's about weight, and how much you can bring onto the bargain table between competitors. Of course, larger organizations have a more powerful stance while negotiating with ones of smaller size. There have been, however, a few organizations that can be considered nearly equal. DH conflicted with MLG Arena. Sometimes schedules just don't align perfectly- but given their positions and sizes it made more sense for MLG and DH to make a deal out of it. Give and take. Now it's different. MLG holds more than every other western organization- the exclusive right to BW players. Since they and KeSPA now synchronize their economical efforts. DH would not only have to accommodate KeSPA in order to get access to BW players, but also will be faced with MLG's demands. It is certainly good for MLG. It is a move every other company would also have taken. Fact of the matter is, they are in a more powerful position now, with more assets to trade with and the exclusive access to it. I merely raise the question whether it'd be the best thing to put this amount of power at this time into one couple of hands. I would say only tournament that had anywhere near prestige was Dreamhack. MLG and Dreamhack are pretty clearly the two biggest Starcraft 2 tournaments outside of Korea and viewership represents that. MLG is clearly not going to withold there players from the events unless they conflict with theres and that pretty clearly makes MLG that biggest SC2 tournament outside of Korea. A last time: Aynthing and everything related to BW-->SC2 will also depend on MLG's good will, not an open competition
I can not see MLG blue balling other tournaments with good will or without it because everyone is forgetting one thing and thats that KESPA wants to go to foreign events. If MLG starts or tries to isolate KESPA players solely to there events and forsakes all other ones, do you really think KESPA is just going to accept that?
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On May 13 2012 04:44 Dakure wrote:
Honestly, out of all the western organizations, I feel like MLG is doing the best job in not only furthering the StarCraft scene but also listening to their customers/viewers. They made their first big move when they started to bring Koreans to MLGs through the GSL partnership. Then people complained about stagnant pools. MLG created the qualifier and arena system to help bring in new blood (and if you look at players qualified for this Arena 2, it's working I'd say). MLG tried the PPV system, acknowledged that it was maybe a little too expensive and adjusted their pricing accordingly. When I look at other organizations, I can't help but feel like they're lagging behind or completely lacking. IPL invited Idra and White-Ra to IPL4 for winning IPL1 and 2 respectively, events that were held pretty much a year before IPL4. They did partner with GSL but only after Koreans in 'foreign' tournaments was an expected thing. Comparing the stream coverage between MLG and IPL, IPL was lacking (less streams, more idle/down time). NASL is sort of doing their own thing (and doing an amazing job in Season 3). Dreamhack doesn't seem to be as focused on SC2 as IPL or MLG are. Given MLG's track record, I'm optimistic about the MLG-Kespa partnership.
On May 13 2012 04:49 Adreme wrote:
I can not see MLG blue balling other tournaments with good will or without it because everyone is forgetting one thing and thats that KESPA wants to go to foreign events. If MLG starts or tries to isolate KESPA players solely to there events and forsakes all other ones, do you really think KESPA is just going to accept that?
I am not doubting MLG's intentions nor abilities. As I am fairly unfamiliar with the KR BW industry, I will also withhold any judgment on KeSPA until further actions within the SC2 space. Given MLG's track record I don't doubt the realistic possibility of success of this relationship and any further positive stimuli that could derive from it, especially in regards of "opening up" the BW space.
But I don't understand how one can not at least acknowledge the risk of putting a monopoly into a company's hand. It's like saying "in the future, every car company has to buy motor parts from one supplier". I feel this certainly is a valid concern, no matter how good your intentions. No I don't believe MLG will suddenly go crazy and start being a dick to everyone. But it is an undeniable fact that their position within negotiations is fundamentally strengthened. Things they might have not been able to ask for in the past are now more likely to be obtained.
Let's say the organizers have learned from last year and now talk to each other about their schedule for the upcoming 6 months well ahead of time, to be able to avoid major conflicts. If two events happen to clash, they try to resolve it. Naturally, one event has to move- which one is open for negotiation. It is exactly all the little and big things, every time there is an issue to solve. Even without ill-intent, MLG would always have inherently more leverage against other organizations. They wouldn't need to press their agenda, they can nudge it little by little. How would you draw the line between smart business and hurting competition? How can that not be a fundamental problem for an industry?
I am aware that KeSPA might have pressed for such exclusivity- for the beginning. It helps them lower their risks and allows possible future alterations to be made much more safely. If seen this way, MLG steps in to "ease the transition". That would be the best case, and not entirely unlikely. As with any case, there also is the opposite extreme. Which would be KeSPA exporting their hereditary business practices overseas, with a like-minded ally.
As both scenarios are ends of the spectrum, I do hope it goes well overall and my concerns turn out obsolete. But at least I wanted not to indiscriminatingly chime into the kumbaya.
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On May 13 2012 04:23 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 22:14 Antisocialmunky wrote:On May 12 2012 17:47 Kiett wrote:On May 12 2012 17:40 Ownos wrote:On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.
...WCG? I think you mean Blizzcon. Since regional championships are... regional. I'm not sure if a grand finals were ever held in the US. 2010 WCG Grand Finals were held in LA. Flash, Kal, and Jaedong competed, and Flash won. That was the one where Flash saved Kal from drowning in a pool right? The other way round, I think. ;p
Nope, Flash was the savior.
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