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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 04:57:53
May 12 2012 04:56 GMT
#721
Let me quote this martyr from Reddit

People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else.


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/


Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 05:01:56
May 12 2012 05:01 GMT
#722
Anyone else notice that the acronym for MLG Kespa Partnership is MKP? I thought it was interesting but I'm weird.

I look forward to seeing BW players but its probably too early to see them completely own everything.
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coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
May 12 2012 05:12 GMT
#723
On May 12 2012 13:56 zaii wrote:
Let me quote this martyr from Reddit

Show nested quote +
People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else.


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/


Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse.


I don't know they sent players to blizzcon on wcg. They also let GOM exist for 3 seasons and even with all the drama of them shutting down the 4th GOM season 5 of the teams still said they would play in it. It seems like they didn't have absolute control over all the teams preventing them from playing in other leagues unless that changed.

zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
May 12 2012 05:20 GMT
#724
On May 12 2012 14:12 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 13:56 zaii wrote:
Let me quote this martyr from Reddit

People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else.


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/


Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse.


I don't know they sent players to blizzcon on wcg. They also let GOM exist for 3 seasons and even with all the drama of them shutting down the 4th GOM season 5 of the teams still said they would play in it. It seems like they didn't have absolute control over all the teams preventing them from playing in other leagues unless that changed.



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336693&currentpage=36#719
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
May 12 2012 05:22 GMT
#725
On May 12 2012 13:43 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 12:31 xBillehx wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:26 zaii wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:23 Rorschach wrote:
On May 12 2012 11:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 11:33 RR2K1 wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:48 Rorschach wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:38 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:27 Dosey wrote:
[quote]

If I were any player in the GSL, I would refuse to attend MLGs. MLG is trying to corner the market by owning exclusive rights to some of the most anticipated players... But if those anticipated players remain untested against the current top players, can their exclusive product really be legitimized?

Who gives a F if untested brood war players beat up on foreigners and themselves. Let them.

What good would that do for the current GSL players? All it would do is give those GSL players less tournaments to play in. Tournaments that pay the way for the GSL players to get there and have damn good prize pools. And as long as they keep their skill up, they will continue to get free rides to MLGs.



How is it any better than MLG/Kespa intending to keep their league/pros exclusive to MLG/Proleague?
It obviously wouldn't be good for current players HOWEVER consider the implications of what this "exclusive" partnership brings to the table.
If they kill off the competition I guarantee you every event will become PPV and the quality will degrade as there is no competitors fostering a healthy market....
The amazing high level play we've seen the past year is because GOM has supported the foreign scene with its player pool.
Think about how many korean pros have traveled to play all weekend and return on Monday to play in their GSL matches/groups.
Just having these pros showing up at every large international tournament has been amazing.
Also they've seeded lots of players into code S and allowed ppl to compete in Code A without being on a Korean team.
I don't foresee Kespa/MLG being as generous with their teams and scheduling.

Well you clearly know everything and have talked exclusively with Kespa and MLG representatives. I guess in two years everyone will be paying their cable provider $60 for MLG Championship PPV. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were so connected to everyone and knew this deal that well.

Look at this guy meticulously building up a strawman and destroying it in a blaze of glory. Bravo.

Sorry that I just don't buy into a bunch of random speculation from a random guy posting on TL.



While I have made assumptions in my posts they are still based on the implications of this "exclusive" agreement between MLG/Kespa.
In fact it been more than implied that Sundance will be the "gate keeper" to the current BW pros switching.
I think this is a bullshit arrangement and I don't think its good for the international scene.
These are simply my opinions and I do realize only time will tell how things really play out.



Would rather have something than nothing at all. Would hate to see Kespa ignore the foreign scene and just stay in Korea, So thank you Sundance for giving them a reason to come out.

Why are you implying they weren't going to come out regardless? I don't get it. They've had players travel to the US before, with WCG and even Blizzcon. One of the big things they talked about last week was expanding to the foreign scene because closing off was bad for BW. If IPL wanted to fly them out barring they weren't busy at the time I really don't think KeSPA would have said no. MLG didn't make something happen that wouldn't have before, they jumped on it before anything could happen and now everyone has to go through them.



WCG by Samsung part/sponsors Kespa

Blizzard they made the damn game

Only 2 exceptions of the decade.

Where did everyone get this weird assumption that Kespa would allow their players to play in tournaments outside of korea, If MLG didn't have an exclusive deal.

Sure, I'll explain why I think this would have happened without MLG needing exclusivity, cause that's what they were talking about at the big meeting with Blizz/OGN/GOM/KeSPA. They specifically mentioned that ignoring the international scene was a mistake. BoxeR even got up to ask and suggest they allow players outside Korea himself. Here's the specific part:
[11:43] BoxeR asks, For the past 10 years, we have been growing eSports only inside Korea, but is continually shrinking. I think KeSPA should send Korean players to foreign tournaments where many SC2 leagues are happening. Once you transition to SC2, will KeSPA-affiliated players have support from KeSPA to go oversea?

Mr. Oh: Many people ask, why SC2? The main reason why us four organizations are transitioning to SC2 is because we wish to expand Korean eSports scene. The ultimate purpose of transitioning Proleague to SC2 is for globalization. Of course, Proleague will have tight schedule, but KeSPA will be more open to it. We are already in talk with many leagues in the world and already initiating some. KeSPA-affiliated players will attend international tournaments.

source

So given the above, now it's my turn to ask where you got the assumption that without MLG making an exclusive deal, KeSPA was never going to work with anyone outside of Korea. I don't see any reason whatsoever why they couldn't do this deal without making it "exclusive." No one's up in arms because they're partnering MLG, people are up in arms because they're worried that given Flash has the time between schedules and no MLG is coming up, IPL wouldn't be able to fly Flash over because it's a direct competitor to MLG.
Taengoo ♥
Empirimancer
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada1024 Posts
May 12 2012 05:48 GMT
#726
I always thought Sundance and Adam were slimy.

zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
May 12 2012 05:50 GMT
#727
On May 12 2012 14:22 xBillehx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 13:43 zaii wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:31 xBillehx wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:26 zaii wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:23 Rorschach wrote:
On May 12 2012 11:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 11:33 RR2K1 wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:48 Rorschach wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:38 jmbthirteen wrote:
[quote]
What good would that do for the current GSL players? All it would do is give those GSL players less tournaments to play in. Tournaments that pay the way for the GSL players to get there and have damn good prize pools. And as long as they keep their skill up, they will continue to get free rides to MLGs.



How is it any better than MLG/Kespa intending to keep their league/pros exclusive to MLG/Proleague?
It obviously wouldn't be good for current players HOWEVER consider the implications of what this "exclusive" partnership brings to the table.
If they kill off the competition I guarantee you every event will become PPV and the quality will degrade as there is no competitors fostering a healthy market....
The amazing high level play we've seen the past year is because GOM has supported the foreign scene with its player pool.
Think about how many korean pros have traveled to play all weekend and return on Monday to play in their GSL matches/groups.
Just having these pros showing up at every large international tournament has been amazing.
Also they've seeded lots of players into code S and allowed ppl to compete in Code A without being on a Korean team.
I don't foresee Kespa/MLG being as generous with their teams and scheduling.

Well you clearly know everything and have talked exclusively with Kespa and MLG representatives. I guess in two years everyone will be paying their cable provider $60 for MLG Championship PPV. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were so connected to everyone and knew this deal that well.

Look at this guy meticulously building up a strawman and destroying it in a blaze of glory. Bravo.

Sorry that I just don't buy into a bunch of random speculation from a random guy posting on TL.



While I have made assumptions in my posts they are still based on the implications of this "exclusive" agreement between MLG/Kespa.
In fact it been more than implied that Sundance will be the "gate keeper" to the current BW pros switching.
I think this is a bullshit arrangement and I don't think its good for the international scene.
These are simply my opinions and I do realize only time will tell how things really play out.



Would rather have something than nothing at all. Would hate to see Kespa ignore the foreign scene and just stay in Korea, So thank you Sundance for giving them a reason to come out.

Why are you implying they weren't going to come out regardless? I don't get it. They've had players travel to the US before, with WCG and even Blizzcon. One of the big things they talked about last week was expanding to the foreign scene because closing off was bad for BW. If IPL wanted to fly them out barring they weren't busy at the time I really don't think KeSPA would have said no. MLG didn't make something happen that wouldn't have before, they jumped on it before anything could happen and now everyone has to go through them.



WCG by Samsung part/sponsors Kespa

Blizzard they made the damn game

Only 2 exceptions of the decade.

Where did everyone get this weird assumption that Kespa would allow their players to play in tournaments outside of korea, If MLG didn't have an exclusive deal.

Sure, I'll explain why I think this would have happened without MLG needing exclusivity, cause that's what they were talking about at the big meeting with Blizz/OGN/GOM/KeSPA. They specifically mentioned that ignoring the international scene was a mistake. BoxeR even got up to ask and suggest they allow players outside Korea himself. Here's the specific part:
Show nested quote +
[11:43] BoxeR asks, For the past 10 years, we have been growing eSports only inside Korea, but is continually shrinking. I think KeSPA should send Korean players to foreign tournaments where many SC2 leagues are happening. Once you transition to SC2, will KeSPA-affiliated players have support from KeSPA to go oversea?

Mr. Oh: Many people ask, why SC2? The main reason why us four organizations are transitioning to SC2 is because we wish to expand Korean eSports scene. The ultimate purpose of transitioning Proleague to SC2 is for globalization. Of course, Proleague will have tight schedule, but KeSPA will be more open to it. We are already in talk with many leagues in the world and already initiating some. KeSPA-affiliated players will attend international tournaments.

source

So given the above, now it's my turn to ask where you got the assumption that without MLG making an exclusive deal, KeSPA was never going to work with anyone outside of Korea. I don't see any reason whatsoever why they couldn't do this deal without making it "exclusive." No one's up in arms because they're partnering MLG, people are up in arms because they're worried that given Flash has the time between schedules and no MLG is coming up, IPL wouldn't be able to fly Flash over because it's a direct competitor to MLG.




MLG has been talking to Kespa for a long time now. Wouldn't surprise me if what they really meant by "We are already in talk with many leagues in the world" is that MLG is there gateway to the world and that MLG is already in talks with other leagues, Which is what is already happening at the moment.

Kespa has always had a tight control on there players and seeing them play outside korea would seem like they are losing them, Just look at there history. Also there's absolutely no reason for Kespa to allow their players to play outside of Korea.

Except MLG making them an offer they can't refuse.
FunkQue
Profile Joined October 2010
United States165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 05:56:22
May 12 2012 05:53 GMT
#728
On May 12 2012 13:56 zaii wrote:
Let me quote this martyr from Reddit

Show nested quote +
People are getting all up in arms about the exclusive agreement between MLG and KeSPA saying that it hurts eSports because KeSPA players will only be at MLG/KeSPA events. KeSPA, as an organization, has a long history of shutting out ALL outsiders. They made it pretty impossible for foreigners to compete in their events and would NEVER send any of their players overseas. They are an organization that keeps a very tight hold on their players. They control EVERYTHING. They control the players. The teams. The events. Everything. People are all upset that KeSPA players aren't going to be at IPL, Dreamhack, etc. because of this agreement. These people have no reason to be mad. The fact that MLG has made a deal with KeSPA to send their players overseas is FUCKING HUGE. It is such a big step for KeSPA - this is BY FAR the most amicable I have ever seen them. It is not like if this deal didn't happen, KeSPA would allow their players to travel freely. No. Hell no, that would not happen. They probably would stay in Korea like they always have. Obviously the playing field is different in SC2 than it was in BW in that they NEED global exposure to survive. But KeSPA is all about CONTROL. So if not MLG, they would have probably signed a deal with someone else.


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tiww4/what_people_are_forgetting_about_kespa_regarding/


Ppl open your eyes this is a huge step for Kespa to be more open, and At the moment MLG seems to be the only one with enough goodies to make Kespa an offer they can't refuse.


The problem is that MLG and Sundance will be the gate keepers to KeSPA. You can't assume KeSPA and MLG won't exploit the hell out of the SC2 market. It would be bad business if they didn't! Only MLG has KeSPA's ear and if you want in, you're probably going to have a pay a price.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
May 12 2012 07:52 GMT
#729
On May 12 2012 14:22 xBillehx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 13:43 zaii wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:31 xBillehx wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:26 zaii wrote:
On May 12 2012 12:23 Rorschach wrote:
On May 12 2012 11:47 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 11:33 RR2K1 wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:48 Rorschach wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:38 jmbthirteen wrote:
[quote]
What good would that do for the current GSL players? All it would do is give those GSL players less tournaments to play in. Tournaments that pay the way for the GSL players to get there and have damn good prize pools. And as long as they keep their skill up, they will continue to get free rides to MLGs.



How is it any better than MLG/Kespa intending to keep their league/pros exclusive to MLG/Proleague?
It obviously wouldn't be good for current players HOWEVER consider the implications of what this "exclusive" partnership brings to the table.
If they kill off the competition I guarantee you every event will become PPV and the quality will degrade as there is no competitors fostering a healthy market....
The amazing high level play we've seen the past year is because GOM has supported the foreign scene with its player pool.
Think about how many korean pros have traveled to play all weekend and return on Monday to play in their GSL matches/groups.
Just having these pros showing up at every large international tournament has been amazing.
Also they've seeded lots of players into code S and allowed ppl to compete in Code A without being on a Korean team.
I don't foresee Kespa/MLG being as generous with their teams and scheduling.

Well you clearly know everything and have talked exclusively with Kespa and MLG representatives. I guess in two years everyone will be paying their cable provider $60 for MLG Championship PPV. I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were so connected to everyone and knew this deal that well.

Look at this guy meticulously building up a strawman and destroying it in a blaze of glory. Bravo.

Sorry that I just don't buy into a bunch of random speculation from a random guy posting on TL.



While I have made assumptions in my posts they are still based on the implications of this "exclusive" agreement between MLG/Kespa.
In fact it been more than implied that Sundance will be the "gate keeper" to the current BW pros switching.
I think this is a bullshit arrangement and I don't think its good for the international scene.
These are simply my opinions and I do realize only time will tell how things really play out.



Would rather have something than nothing at all. Would hate to see Kespa ignore the foreign scene and just stay in Korea, So thank you Sundance for giving them a reason to come out.

Why are you implying they weren't going to come out regardless? I don't get it. They've had players travel to the US before, with WCG and even Blizzcon. One of the big things they talked about last week was expanding to the foreign scene because closing off was bad for BW. If IPL wanted to fly them out barring they weren't busy at the time I really don't think KeSPA would have said no. MLG didn't make something happen that wouldn't have before, they jumped on it before anything could happen and now everyone has to go through them.



WCG by Samsung part/sponsors Kespa

Blizzard they made the damn game

Only 2 exceptions of the decade.

Where did everyone get this weird assumption that Kespa would allow their players to play in tournaments outside of korea, If MLG didn't have an exclusive deal.

Sure, I'll explain why I think this would have happened without MLG needing exclusivity, cause that's what they were talking about at the big meeting with Blizz/OGN/GOM/KeSPA. They specifically mentioned that ignoring the international scene was a mistake. BoxeR even got up to ask and suggest they allow players outside Korea himself. Here's the specific part:
Show nested quote +
[11:43] BoxeR asks, For the past 10 years, we have been growing eSports only inside Korea, but is continually shrinking. I think KeSPA should send Korean players to foreign tournaments where many SC2 leagues are happening. Once you transition to SC2, will KeSPA-affiliated players have support from KeSPA to go oversea?

Mr. Oh: Many people ask, why SC2? The main reason why us four organizations are transitioning to SC2 is because we wish to expand Korean eSports scene. The ultimate purpose of transitioning Proleague to SC2 is for globalization. Of course, Proleague will have tight schedule, but KeSPA will be more open to it. We are already in talk with many leagues in the world and already initiating some. KeSPA-affiliated players will attend international tournaments.

source

So given the above, now it's my turn to ask where you got the assumption that without MLG making an exclusive deal, KeSPA was never going to work with anyone outside of Korea. I don't see any reason whatsoever why they couldn't do this deal without making it "exclusive." No one's up in arms because they're partnering MLG, people are up in arms because they're worried that given Flash has the time between schedules and no MLG is coming up, IPL wouldn't be able to fly Flash over because it's a direct competitor to MLG.


I see this as nothing more than MLG grabbing the ball before the smoke clears so they have a relevance to hang on too, if they can't deliver a product and their new business models don't work then they still have the Kespa deal to keep them alive. I see this as nothing but MLG being MLG and trying to bring in the dollars.

Nothing but bad for Sc2.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
May 12 2012 08:35 GMT
#730
That's great and all. But will there be enough CHAIRS?!
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
May 12 2012 08:40 GMT
#731
On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.

...WCG?


I think you mean Blizzcon. Since regional championships are... regional. I'm not sure if a grand finals were ever held in the US.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
May 12 2012 08:46 GMT
#732
Growth for esports and growth for MLG are not one and the same, infact in this situation they are the opposite.

For MLG this could be a coup where they can make some quick money if they have exclusive rights to broadcast Jaedong and Flash, while charging for it, the initial novelty of seeing these guys will spark good buys for them.

But for the long term this will never attract new fans or expand the audience, its just suppose to get the current fans to buy more of MLG streams, until its bled dry and MLG moves on to whatever the next big thing is, LoL, Black Ops 2 etc.

I cant blame MLG for this, for short term, they will make some good money that they badly need. But for the big picture it will just hamper the entire SC2 esport scene.
★ Top Gun ★
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
May 12 2012 08:47 GMT
#733
On May 12 2012 17:40 Ownos wrote:
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On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:
On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.

...WCG?


I think you mean Blizzcon. Since regional championships are... regional. I'm not sure if a grand finals were ever held in the US.

2010 WCG Grand Finals were held in LA. Flash, Kal, and Jaedong competed, and Flash won.
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
May 12 2012 08:52 GMT
#734
More often than not exclusivity is just the easiest form of getting ahead in competition, as providing a better service takes more effort.

However obviously the latter one is the stuff I'd appreciate.

Now MLG sure does improve their service all the time, still an exclusive deal controlling some of the player flow, fuck that. Perhaps in comparison to what KeSPA allowed before that's pretty good.

But I would've hoped teams could be the one pulling the strings now. Sure, none is gonna participate in too many tournaments simply due to time restrictions, but it would be nice if the teams and players were the ones deciding who plays when and where.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 09:54:02
May 12 2012 09:43 GMT
#735
This all sounds like MLG took a page out of KeSPA's book and now became this big international proxy-KeSPA. "You want BW players in your international tournaments? You have to go through us now. Please have your purse ready."

Overlapping other international tournaments and ensuring that DH will always just be a qualifier to an MLG qualifier was obviously just a first step. Altering maps without the creator's consent is a new thing on the table. Bullying is the way forward for them.

The only one who could regn in some of these developments in the interest of the community and worldwide e-sports growth, is Blizzard themselves. They sit above all and have the big lever. I hope they act on this in a timely manner before half the foreign tournament scene dies.
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Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
May 12 2012 10:01 GMT
#736
I don't like all this seeding exchange, I'd rather see more qualifiers...
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birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
May 12 2012 12:26 GMT
#737
Wonderful news.
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rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 12:35:34
May 12 2012 12:34 GMT
#738
On May 12 2012 13:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
Here are some words from Adam Apicella on twitter:

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Speculation /= truth. We are partners with Kespa in this, not their agent nor gate keeper. We will make joint decisions to grow.

Exclusive means we are working together closely and are committed to figuring next steps TOGETHER.

Here is one absolute truth: we will jointly strive to create a platform that creates the best competition for the best players, globally


https://twitter.com/#!/MrMLGAdam


I went ahead and asked Adam specifically:
so, do others have to go through MLG to negotiate BW player attendance?
I think I made it clear: Kespa and Mlg will operate together to make decisions. We have unified goals of growth w/ tbd next steps

a yes or no would have been sufficient.
I see your posts on tl & I get you're not our biggest fan but I can't be any clearer: it will be a joint decision


He is slightly off in one regard: I have nothing against MLG as a company. I was an early adopter of their Arena passes. I also mentioned in my previous posts, that much of the control concerns is likely motivated by KeSPA's side. Plus, the question whether KeSPA would have agreed to a non-exclusive deal with anyone is still valid. From a business standpoint, there are many arguments for MLG to take the chance to strengthen their strategical position.

The positives of the deal for us are clear: It is a breakthrough of KeSPA opening up to the international audience, and MLG facilitated it. But:

Speculation /= truth. We are partners with Kespa in this, not their agent nor gate keeper. We will make joint decisions to grow.


Technically true: MLG is now not "just" KeSPA's watchdog, both agreed to cooperate on same eye-level. Again, another breakthrough given KeSPA's history. It means "we are not KeSPA's dog. we are KeSPA to the west and KeSPA is us to KR." - with the pleasant side-effect of quenching every competition form the start.

It means to make a deal, one has come to terms with both KeSPA's and MLG's demands. It means without consent from both, there will be no attendance of BW players.

MLG is not to fault for taking advantage. Someone else would have, too. I still remain skeptical whether to endorse a "lesser evil" is better than pressing for an open market.

Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
May 12 2012 12:36 GMT
#739
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 12:39:23
May 12 2012 12:38 GMT
#740
On May 12 2012 21:36 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
IPL is not "direct competitor" of MLG. Those tournaments do not run at the same time so they are not competing for viewers.


Up until now, everyone has looked to avoid conflicts with each other on an open playing field. In the future, DH, IEM and IPL have to be extra nice to make sure MLG gives you a share of their BW players.
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