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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:03 fallenknight wrote: Wait a min they had thought to change something of the bunker at some point? I thought there was not even a mention of terran in this mini patch? woosh right over your head | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
just gonna point out that it doesn't make sense to ME why two buffs are being put in to help early game. wouldn't smart practice be to implement one and then see if another is needed??? alone ovie buff is great. alone queen buff is great. together i feel is a little extreme to implement at the same time. | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:04 FeyFey wrote: wow queen is now banshee, hellion, reaper and bunker save. Well she was before but now you basically have no chance to avoid damage when 2 or more queens are out. I really liked terran early aggression with bunkers or reapers, it was fun to play and fun to watch, so i am curious why Blizzard decided to stab it, as i never saw a problem there, from the zerg side. Guess marauder openings will become standard now, as there is no other way to make a zerg feel unsafe x3. Queens are not armored, and marauders are a) fairly slow and b) not part of the mid-game terran comp. I suspect that marauder pressure will not be the new pressure. | ||
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veryveryhard
38 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/898Ww.png) Blizzard's logic in balancing the game: to buff the OP races and leave the UP race unchanged | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:05 KingAce wrote: The range buff also effects zvp. Now easier for zerg to defend against protoss air harass. The range buff only affects the anti-ground attack. The queen will be more useful against stalkers and zealots, but it will be the same against phoenixes and void rays. | ||
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ePdeLay
Australia220 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:04 FeyFey wrote: wow queen is now banshee, hellion, reaper and bunker save. Well she was before but now you basically have no chance to avoid damage when 2 or more queens are out. I really liked terran early aggression with bunkers or reapers, it was fun to play and fun to watch, so i am curious why Blizzard decided to stab it, as i never saw a problem there, from the zerg side. Guess marauder openings will become standard now, as there is no other way to make a zerg feel unsafe x3. I don't think a single player under high diamondish level would be able to hold off any sort of reaper bunker rush, especially proxy'd, without the queen buff. Of course with that reasoning they should probably add neutral depots to prevent shitty ramp wall ins.. But whatever. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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Doganaws
Italy52 Posts
Bunker rushes USELESS. Reaper USELESS. Ghost USELESS. I'm still waiting for Zealot Zergling buff... | ||
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:09 Odal wrote: I don't think a single player under high diamondish level would be able to hold off any sort of reaper bunker rush, especially proxy'd, without the queen buff. Of course with that reasoning they should probably add neutral depots to prevent shitty ramp wall ins.. But whatever. Reaper bunker rushes aren't hard to stop... if you're a Platinum leaguer facing another player who is also platinum with the execution of the strategy like a Platinum, then you can be able to stop it quite well.. it's extremely execution dependent on the Terrans side of things.. I've seen Polt beat Korean pros with it just through execution, but now they're just impossible to pull off. I don't think Blizzard even factored in Reapers for one second when they made this change.. | ||
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Xacalite
Germany533 Posts
* Bunker Salvage minerals refunded changed from 75 to 3/4 of its cost. | ||
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frontline-
Bulgaria281 Posts
I personally don't get it | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:05 KingAce wrote: The range buff also effects zvp. Now easier for zerg to defend against protoss air harass, phoenix, void ray and warp prism. No, it isn't. It says specifically anti-ground. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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Doraki
United States9 Posts
On May 10 2012 11:35 Omegalisk wrote: Their reason is that they wanted to nerf early game rushes (like Hellions and Bunker rushes). Edit (just to provide some more meaningful discussion): I think that the reason Queens got a buff is because of these early game rushes. Terran always applies pressure in TvZ because there really isn't much hazard to it. With the Queen buff, these early game rushes are less viable, forcing Terran into a more macro-oriented approach, aiming for a larger mid-game push. I'm interested to see how it turns out and how the metagame changes with this buff. You kind of have to do those kind of pressure to zerg why would they think that totally taking them out is a good idea? Now zerg can freely drone for the first half the game with out any threat from a semi economical opening from terran. Zerg can now scout a lot easier with overlords and now zerg don't even have to worry about microing their queens vs hellions i can't wait to get smoked by zerg for the next couple of weeks on ladder. This is not qq from a terran i did play zerg until this season switching because winning as zerg didn't feel like you won at all and a moving gets pretty boring thats why i didn't play protoss either haha. | ||
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MostGroce
United States104 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
Terran * Bunker is not changed Oh, you little troll.  I like the changes, Overlord speed increase was a given, the Observer build time decrease seems okay (if you have a robo at all), and if the Queen change should prove to be too powerful, they will certainly revert that change. For now it helps Zergs in defending early cheese, so that's good in my book. | ||
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