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YuMSc2
Switzerland104 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
Terran: This is ridiculous. Blizzard's balance team is clearly incompetent. RIP Hellions and Reapers. Zerg: Thank Blizzard for getting rid of those cheesy Terran all-ins! Protoss: HAHAHAHAHA. No bunker change. GET IT? GET IT? | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
PS. 15 hatch 16 pool'ing Zergs are weak to rushes so we're going to make overlords faster to make up for not drone-scouting. Also good Terrans were able to force spinecrawlers and lings with good hellion vs queen micro, so we increased Queen range to make this problem go away. Conveniently this also makes the reaper worse in the matchup, we're looking at removing the D8 charge building attack with HotS if the problem persists. | ||
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Doraki
United States9 Posts
On May 10 2012 14:46 CoR wrote: as i understand, they stop asking pros so much cause guys like idra say t and p broken z huge buff plz etc etc so its useless ask them so as i understand they more ask CASTERS and with that i really DONT get the queen buff Oo LOL when does idra say tvz is broken idras tvz is spectacular now its pretty much going to be perfect. Also pvz right now is terrible for z in the gsl right now p win rate vs z is like 85%..... I know its just the currant meta game but pvz made me quit zerg. Anyways PLEASE don't ask casters about balance issues 90% of casters who cast shouldn't even be talking and say some stupid things in my op the best casters are people who use to be or are pro players. But i agree i don't like the protoss and zerg buffs they should have fixed the most broken thing....... lol jk. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:17 Ghanburighan wrote: I can see Blizz backtracking on these changes pretty quickly. The overlord speed will stay, ofc, but I cannot imagine terrans winning much at all when P and Z learns (in a month or two) to properly utilize these changes. So terrans will stop winning against protoss entirely, because the observer is a few seconds faster. ... I dont even... | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:20 MostGroce wrote: Queens cost a lot more than hellions and should be able to work better against them. Queens are still very slow compared to hellions and also do very little damage. Bring an scv to repair maybe, or a little micro maybe involved. I still fear for creep's life. You're talking about a difference of 50 minerals. And queens are much more quickly available. And you don't need gas to get them. And hellions don't damage them very well. It already requires a fair bit of micro to get any longevity out of hellions when trying to deny creep early on. This change is moronic. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3491 Posts
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
Queen one seems a bit drastic, will have to see the implications of it in some high level TvZ's first to determine whether it was the right move or not. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:26 TheAntZ wrote: So terrans will stop winning against protoss entirely, because the observer is a few seconds faster. ... I dont even... Notice how your words and my words are different. You have enough posts on TL to know better. | ||
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mophideus
United States7 Posts
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-KarakStarcraft-
United States258 Posts
These are very good changes, especially the OL speed change. OL speed change is about 1.5 years too late. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:30 mophideus wrote: wow terrans are complaining a lot? Is it really that bad or just qq? The queen buff gives them equal range to hellions and marines and slightly better than a reaper. It makes reaper openings completely useless in terms of ability to deal damage and significantly nerfs reactor hellion openers as well as bunker rushes. It's a big deal. | ||
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Dephy
Lithuania163 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:20 MostGroce wrote: Queens cost a lot more than hellions and should be able to work better against them. Queens are still very slow compared to hellions and also do very little damage. Bring an scv to repair maybe, or a little micro maybe involved. I still fear for creep's life. what are smoking? Hellions cost 100mineral each and deal minimal damage to units that are not light, it takes ages for 4helions to kill a queen(400vs150) and if zerg doesnt have spine/lings ready, you better off just runby queen and roast some drones. This change makes greedy zerg's opening more greedy, as zerg will be able walloff and put queen to block, since now queen and helions will be same range, you dont even need to worry about hellions tryed to kite her, and you now can build spine crawler even later, or dont build it at all. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
Now that early game harass/unexpected build options will be limited , due to better scouting from P and Z . I see blizzard HAVE to deal with Terran lategame, when T comes equal into lategame against Infestor BL , or Collossi Templar. ;D Rough few months for sure . But if this Doesnt result in a lot of lategame losses for T i'll be surpriced . // which should make blizzard look into that aspect. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:34 Dephy wrote: what are smoking? Hellions cost 100mineral each and deal minimal damage to units that are not light, it takes ages for 4helions to kill a queen(400vs150) and if zerg doesnt have spine/lings ready, you better off just runby queen and roast some drones. This change makes greedy zerg's opening more greedy, as zerg will be able walloff and put queen to block, since now queen and helions will be same range, you dont even need to worry about hellions tryed to kite her, and you now can build spine crawler even later, or dont build it at all. Where you actually could create a block the range of the queen never was a problem since you used a sunken with the block thus protecting the queen. | ||
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mophideus
United States7 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:30 mophideus wrote: wow terrans are complaining a lot? Is it really that bad or just qq? You will notice that there are currently four different threads where the same concerns are being voiced by terrans (Flash's comments, the tester map thread, Blizz's TvP comments and now this one). There have been a lot of comments also due to so many terrans losing in GSL, the overall lack of success of foreign terrans compared to other foreigners and also the last months TLPD balance swinging quite badly against terrans. To have blizzard then buff both Z and P is obviously going to seem outrageous to every terran that has posted in those threads. | ||
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phame21
Australia43 Posts
you sacrifice a drone to dispell one forcefield would be nice. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
Why just on EU and US ? | ||
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