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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 10 2012 02:25 GMT
#21
Way to slap Terrans in the face.
musai
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada552 Posts
May 10 2012 02:26 GMT
#22
thanks for not nerfing the bunker, rofl
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
May 10 2012 02:27 GMT
#23
That Overlord banner, so good looking.

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lee365
Profile Joined December 2010
United States448 Posts
May 10 2012 02:27 GMT
#24
Ovie speed buff is nice, but I really dont see the need for the obs production speed and queen attack range buffs
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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
May 10 2012 02:27 GMT
#25
* Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5


...

This is such a big nerf to reapers, helions and bunker rushes

Did they provide any reason behind those choices?
dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
May 10 2012 02:28 GMT
#26
rly? queen gets that buff..?
yes
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
May 10 2012 02:28 GMT
#27
What is the point of queen, now you can't kite queens with hellions = zerg can do whatever the fuck they want early game (adding to their ability to do that in the mid and late game...)
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SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
May 10 2012 02:28 GMT
#28
On May 10 2012 11:27 pPingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
* Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5


...

This is such a big nerf to reapers, helions and bunker rushes

Did they provide any reason behind those choices?


No, because they don't have one :/
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
May 10 2012 02:29 GMT
#29
On May 10 2012 11:25 S_SienZ wrote:
Way to slap Terrans in the face.


Terrans have historically had the most success at the professional level, and are generally regarded as the strongest race + Show Spoiler [GSL 2012 S2] +
If you don't count the Ro4 results from this most recent GSL
. The 5-range queen will be stronger against reapers and hellions, but won't be nearly as strong as the 50-energy queen.

Overall, Blizzard made some relatively mild buffs to the non-terran races, and that's okay.
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 10 2012 02:29 GMT
#30
On May 10 2012 11:27 pPingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
* Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5


...

This is such a big nerf to reapers, helions and bunker rushes

Did they provide any reason behind those choices?

They let us choose between super imba 50 energy and this. This had less harsh feedback.

Kinda like telling hostages you're gonna kill them and saying you're just gonna starve them instead.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
May 10 2012 02:29 GMT
#31
Queens are stronger than roaches now.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#32
On May 10 2012 11:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:25 S_SienZ wrote:
Way to slap Terrans in the face.


Terrans have historically had the most success at the professional level, and are generally regarded as the strongest race + Show Spoiler [GSL 2012 S2] +
If you don't count the Ro4 results from this most recent GSL
. The 5-range queen will be stronger against reapers and hellions, but won't be nearly as strong as the 50-energy queen.

Overall, Blizzard made some relatively mild buffs to the non-terran races, and that's okay.

I'm talking more about the "no change" joke.

It's enough that the only changes T has gotten over the last few patches were nerfs, no need to rub it in.
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
May 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#33
Nice work Blizzard, looking forward to seeing how the OL speed helps Zergs
Writer@joonjoewong
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
May 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#34
On May 10 2012 11:29 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:27 pPingu wrote:
* Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5


...

This is such a big nerf to reapers, helions and bunker rushes

Did they provide any reason behind those choices?

They let us choose between super imba 50 energy and this. This had less harsh feedback.

Kinda like telling hostages you're gonna kill them and saying you're just gonna starve them instead.


I think you're taking things just a LITTLE out of proportion here. It's not like queens are suddenly outranging hellions or bunkers or reaper bunkers or something. Yes, it's a buff, but it's milder than the energy buff.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
May 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#35
On May 10 2012 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:27 pPingu wrote:
* Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5


...

This is such a big nerf to reapers, helions and bunker rushes

Did they provide any reason behind those choices?

They let us choose between super imba 50 energy and this. This had less harsh feedback.

Kinda like telling hostages you're gonna kill them and saying you're just gonna starve them instead.


I think you're taking things just a LITTLE out of proportion here. It's not like queens are suddenly outranging hellions or bunkers or reaper bunkers or something. Yes, it's a buff, but it's milder than the energy buff.

yeah instead of faster creep spread now you can defend your tumors with only queens
this is actually a lot worse than 50 energy LOL
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FeiLing
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany428 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 02:33:31
May 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#36
I really don't see why Queens need any buff, but I'm happy it is not the 50 starting energy they get (while range 5 is still a pretty huge buff (against hellions and reapers mainly)).

What were the changes they've tested on bunkers but have been revoked?
Alasper
Profile Joined June 2011
179 Posts
May 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#37
On May 10 2012 11:24 Danyl wrote:
Yay now hellions can't deny creep at all early game. Bye bye reactor hellion openings.

Queen buff is dumb.


Almost as dumb as bunker rushes yayaya?
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
May 10 2012 02:33 GMT
#38
On May 10 2012 11:32 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:27 pPingu wrote:
* Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5


...

This is such a big nerf to reapers, helions and bunker rushes

Did they provide any reason behind those choices?

They let us choose between super imba 50 energy and this. This had less harsh feedback.

Kinda like telling hostages you're gonna kill them and saying you're just gonna starve them instead.


I think you're taking things just a LITTLE out of proportion here. It's not like queens are suddenly outranging hellions or bunkers or reaper bunkers or something. Yes, it's a buff, but it's milder than the energy buff.

yeah instead of faster creep spread now you can defend your tumors with only queens
this is actually a lot worse than 50 energy LOL

Yeah this is a terrible change. Why even make hellions now?
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 10 2012 02:33 GMT
#39
On May 10 2012 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:27 pPingu wrote:
* Queen anti-ground weapon attack range increased from 3 to 5


...

This is such a big nerf to reapers, helions and bunker rushes

Did they provide any reason behind those choices?

They let us choose between super imba 50 energy and this. This had less harsh feedback.

Kinda like telling hostages you're gonna kill them and saying you're just gonna starve them instead.


I think you're taking things just a LITTLE out of proportion here. It's not like queens are suddenly outranging hellions or bunkers or reaper bunkers or something. Yes, it's a buff, but it's milder than the energy buff.

I'm more disappointed in it not because it's overpowered, but it detracts from the game.

Why bother microing hellions against queens anymore (if on creep) if they have the same range?
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 10 2012 02:33 GMT
#40
On May 10 2012 11:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:25 S_SienZ wrote:
Way to slap Terrans in the face.


Terrans have historically had the most success at the professional level, and are generally regarded as the strongest race + Show Spoiler [GSL 2012 S2] +
If you don't count the Ro4 results from this most recent GSL
. The 5-range queen will be stronger against reapers and hellions, but won't be nearly as strong as the 50-energy queen.

Overall, Blizzard made some relatively mild buffs to the non-terran races, and that's okay.


Show me a game where professional level players have trouble, enough trouble dealing with a hellion opening when they're not being ridiculously fucking greedy. The way the maps are set up now queen no gas openings are having a resurgence ALREADY because it's such a good economical opening that completely shuts down any hellion harass. This is directed toward lower level play 100%. Ye, it won't be as strong as the 50-energy queen, but I can't even fathom how that made it to public testing to be honest lol.
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