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On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote:
Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad??
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are.
Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game designseriously?
show me?? U still looking for one?? there is no RTS better than SC2. Bw? oh yeah the one dominated by Terrans?? the best 2 players in BW are both Terrran. both with over 90 percent win rates this year. Yes so much more balanced.
Name some?? i'm waiting. People talk so much crap about this game, but it's the only game they play. Why is that?? maybe because it's one of the best PC games on the market.
Someone name me a more balanced game.
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On May 30 2012 01:17 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 01:14 00Zarathustra wrote:On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote:On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote:
Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad??
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are.
Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game designseriously? BROOD WAR!!!! And yes I still play BW and I would like to keep watching BW but they are taking away my pro gamers.  I also play SC2 but it is not as fun because of this bad game design. I can say the same about watching pro SC2. Now name a game not made by Blizzard, lmao. I prefer BW myself, but SC2 is a better suited eSport than BW, you need to keep a casual audience, BW doesn't do that.
Command and Conquer Generals before Zero Hour and after all those patches to nerf USA's airforce. That was pretty balanced.
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On May 30 2012 01:26 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote:On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote:
Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad??
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are.
Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game designseriously? show me?? U still looking for one?? there is no RTS better than SC2. Bw? oh yeah the one dominated by Terrans?? the best 2 players in BW are both Terrran. both with over 90 percent win rates this year. Yes so much more balanced. Name some?? i'm waiting. People talk so much crap about this game, but it's the only game they play. Why is that?? maybe because it's one of the best PC games on the market. Someone name me a more balanced game.
BW is more balanced.
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On May 30 2012 01:26 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote:On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote:
Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad??
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are.
Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game designseriously? show me?? U still looking for one?? there is no RTS better than SC2. Bw? oh yeah the one dominated by Terrans?? the best 2 players in BW are both Terrran. both with over 90 percent win rates this year. Yes so much more balanced. Name some?? i'm waiting. People talk so much crap about this game, but it's the only game they play. Why is that?? maybe because it's one of the best PC games on the market. Someone name me a more balanced game.
they only play SC2 , not because is the best on the market, but because all the other games are even more shitty than SC2, they are forced to play it..
BW unbalanced? did you play it at serious level?
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On May 30 2012 01:33 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 01:26 tranmillitary wrote:On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote:On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote:
Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad??
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are.
Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game designseriously? show me?? U still looking for one?? there is no RTS better than SC2. Bw? oh yeah the one dominated by Terrans?? the best 2 players in BW are both Terrran. both with over 90 percent win rates this year. Yes so much more balanced. Name some?? i'm waiting. People talk so much crap about this game, but it's the only game they play. Why is that?? maybe because it's one of the best PC games on the market. Someone name me a more balanced game. they only play SC2 , not because is the best on the market, but because all the other games are even more shitty than SC2, they are forced to play it.. BW unbalanced? did you play it at serious level?
Are you serious?? I've been in the BW scene since 1999. There was even more balance whines in BW than SC2 now. People were crying about how long it took Blizzard for new patches. BW is notorious for glitches.
Were you one of those public school grade 2 drop outs?? "they only play SC2 , not because is the best on the market, but because all the other games are even more shitty than SC2, they are forced to play it.."
So every game is shittier than SC2, so what does it make it? God people here are dumb. Lebron James isn't the best player, it's just that everyone one in the world sucks at basketball more than he does.
Oh wait... Flash isn't the best BW player either, it's just that Fantasy, Bisu, Jaedong all suck more than he does. Man your logic sucks. Go get your GED.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 30 2012 01:26 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote:On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote:
Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad??
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are.
Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game designseriously? show me?? U still looking for one?? there is no RTS better than SC2. Bw? oh yeah the one dominated by Terrans?? the best 2 players in BW are both Terrran. both with over 90 percent win rates this year. Yes so much more balanced. Name some?? i'm waiting. People talk so much crap about this game, but it's the only game they play. Why is that?? maybe because it's one of the best PC games on the market. Someone name me a more balanced game.
Lol, I don't think you followed BW if you think that Terran was overpowered.
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On May 30 2012 01:19 BeeNu wrote:
I just want to point out that Zerg typically *needs* to have very good scouting to not simply die. Playing Terran and Protoss a lot more generally safe is a lot easier than it is for Zerg, giving Zerg stronger overlord scouting is just necessary.
Let me try to put this into context for you, I play Zerg at like a mid-high masters level, but I'm absolutely horrible at playing Terran, like I play Terran at like a platinum level, like there is generally no way I should be able to beat anyone above Diamond with my Terran, I'm just god-awful. However, before the latest patch I could actually take down high Masters Zergs with Terran simply by using a few Marines to deny all overlord scouting, throw up a bunker at the front to feign an expansion and I just 2port Banshee and win. I beat a lot of high Masters Zergs with this and it was ridiculously easy to do. Nowadays I still might be able to pull it off but it would be a LOT harder and riskier to try and do that.
If you really want Zerg to have slower Overlords again then I dare you to try and play with them vs cheesy people who simply throw a couple marines at the edge of their base, you'd better enjoy being forced to completely flip coins over which all-in they may or may not be doing.
+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously , this is the #1 reason I stopped playing sc2 and went back to BW. For me , the reaper was the only unit that reminded the awesome vulture, and the cool guys decided to indirectly nerf it.
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On May 30 2012 01:38 tranmillitary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 01:33 Garmer wrote:On May 30 2012 01:26 tranmillitary wrote:On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote:On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote:
Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad??
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are.
Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game designseriously? show me?? U still looking for one?? there is no RTS better than SC2. Bw? oh yeah the one dominated by Terrans?? the best 2 players in BW are both Terrran. both with over 90 percent win rates this year. Yes so much more balanced. Name some?? i'm waiting. People talk so much crap about this game, but it's the only game they play. Why is that?? maybe because it's one of the best PC games on the market. Someone name me a more balanced game. they only play SC2 , not because is the best on the market, but because all the other games are even more shitty than SC2, they are forced to play it.. BW unbalanced? did you play it at serious level? Are you serious?? I've been in the BW scene since 1999. There was even more balance whines in BW than SC2 now. People were crying about how long it took Blizzard for new patches. BW is notorious for glitches. Were you one of those public school grade 2 drop outs?? "they only play SC2 , not because is the best on the market, but because all the other games are even more shitty than SC2, they are forced to play it.." So every game is shittier than SC2, so what does it make it? God people here are dumb. Lebron James isn't the best player, it's just that everyone one in the world sucks at basketball more than he does. Oh wait... Flash isn't the best BW player either, it's just that Fantasy, Bisu, Jaedong all suck more than he does. Man your logic sucks. Go get your GED. User was temp banned for this post.
I'm just going to put this here.. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/detailed-elo
Sure there are 2 Terrans in the top 2 but lets look at the top 10 why don't we... 3 terrans, 3 protoss, and 4 Zerg... Seems really Terran favored to me... Get your head out between your legs bro
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This thread has devolved into balance whine and SC2/BW comparisons. Please close before it gets worse.
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On May 30 2012 02:37 Operations wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 01:19 BeeNu wrote:
I just want to point out that Zerg typically *needs* to have very good scouting to not simply die. Playing Terran and Protoss a lot more generally safe is a lot easier than it is for Zerg, giving Zerg stronger overlord scouting is just necessary.
Let me try to put this into context for you, I play Zerg at like a mid-high masters level, but I'm absolutely horrible at playing Terran, like I play Terran at like a platinum level, like there is generally no way I should be able to beat anyone above Diamond with my Terran, I'm just god-awful. However, before the latest patch I could actually take down high Masters Zergs with Terran simply by using a few Marines to deny all overlord scouting, throw up a bunker at the front to feign an expansion and I just 2port Banshee and win. I beat a lot of high Masters Zergs with this and it was ridiculously easy to do. Nowadays I still might be able to pull it off but it would be a LOT harder and riskier to try and do that.
If you really want Zerg to have slower Overlords again then I dare you to try and play with them vs cheesy people who simply throw a couple marines at the edge of their base, you'd better enjoy being forced to completely flip coins over which all-in they may or may not be doing. + Show Spoiler +Seriously , this is the #1 reason I stopped playing sc2 and went back to BW. For me , the reaper was the only unit that reminded the awesome vulture, and the cool guys decided to indirectly nerf it.
Eh, reaper has been pretty dead vs Zerg for quite a while now, Blizzard needs to completely revisit that unit or take it out all-together...this Queen buff has really nothing to do with the Reaper and complaining about how you dislike the Queen buff because it makes the Reaper even worse it just pointless, the unit was already a joke in TvZ long before the last patch.
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On May 30 2012 02:57 BeeNu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 02:37 Operations wrote:On May 30 2012 01:19 BeeNu wrote:
I just want to point out that Zerg typically *needs* to have very good scouting to not simply die. Playing Terran and Protoss a lot more generally safe is a lot easier than it is for Zerg, giving Zerg stronger overlord scouting is just necessary.
Let me try to put this into context for you, I play Zerg at like a mid-high masters level, but I'm absolutely horrible at playing Terran, like I play Terran at like a platinum level, like there is generally no way I should be able to beat anyone above Diamond with my Terran, I'm just god-awful. However, before the latest patch I could actually take down high Masters Zergs with Terran simply by using a few Marines to deny all overlord scouting, throw up a bunker at the front to feign an expansion and I just 2port Banshee and win. I beat a lot of high Masters Zergs with this and it was ridiculously easy to do. Nowadays I still might be able to pull it off but it would be a LOT harder and riskier to try and do that.
If you really want Zerg to have slower Overlords again then I dare you to try and play with them vs cheesy people who simply throw a couple marines at the edge of their base, you'd better enjoy being forced to completely flip coins over which all-in they may or may not be doing. + Show Spoiler +Seriously , this is the #1 reason I stopped playing sc2 and went back to BW. For me , the reaper was the only unit that reminded the awesome vulture, and the cool guys decided to indirectly nerf it. Eh, reaper has been pretty dead vs Zerg for quite a while now, Blizzard needs to completely revisit that unit or take it out all-together...this Queen buff has really nothing to do with the Reaper and complaining about how you dislike the Queen buff because it makes the Reaper even worse it just pointless, the unit was already a joke in TvZ long before the last patch.
Then why did MMA and Happy use reapers in their tvz games until recently? guess these guys have no idea what their doing
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On May 30 2012 02:59 Operations wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 02:57 BeeNu wrote:On May 30 2012 02:37 Operations wrote:On May 30 2012 01:19 BeeNu wrote:
I just want to point out that Zerg typically *needs* to have very good scouting to not simply die. Playing Terran and Protoss a lot more generally safe is a lot easier than it is for Zerg, giving Zerg stronger overlord scouting is just necessary.
Let me try to put this into context for you, I play Zerg at like a mid-high masters level, but I'm absolutely horrible at playing Terran, like I play Terran at like a platinum level, like there is generally no way I should be able to beat anyone above Diamond with my Terran, I'm just god-awful. However, before the latest patch I could actually take down high Masters Zergs with Terran simply by using a few Marines to deny all overlord scouting, throw up a bunker at the front to feign an expansion and I just 2port Banshee and win. I beat a lot of high Masters Zergs with this and it was ridiculously easy to do. Nowadays I still might be able to pull it off but it would be a LOT harder and riskier to try and do that.
If you really want Zerg to have slower Overlords again then I dare you to try and play with them vs cheesy people who simply throw a couple marines at the edge of their base, you'd better enjoy being forced to completely flip coins over which all-in they may or may not be doing. + Show Spoiler +Seriously , this is the #1 reason I stopped playing sc2 and went back to BW. For me , the reaper was the only unit that reminded the awesome vulture, and the cool guys decided to indirectly nerf it. Eh, reaper has been pretty dead vs Zerg for quite a while now, Blizzard needs to completely revisit that unit or take it out all-together...this Queen buff has really nothing to do with the Reaper and complaining about how you dislike the Queen buff because it makes the Reaper even worse it just pointless, the unit was already a joke in TvZ long before the last patch. Then why did MMA and Happy use reapers in their tvz games until recently? guess these guys have no idea what their doing
I haven't seen MMA opening with reapers since ages, can'say about happy though.
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They need to change the reaper speed upgrade back to not require a factory like it used to be.
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The reaper still gets outranged by the queen, but it would be great for TvT.
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On May 30 2012 03:13 stratmatt wrote:
They need to change the reaper speed upgrade back to not require a factory like it used to be.
im glad people are finally starting to realize the game was only perfectly balanced when i won my lan event
:-)
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they need to buff ghosts back to the way they were, make bcs cheaper and shorter build time, increase siege tank damage. Then nerf marine to 5(+1)
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On May 30 2012 03:17 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 03:13 stratmatt wrote:
They need to change the reaper speed upgrade back to not require a factory like it used to be. im glad people are finally starting to realize the game was only perfectly balanced when i won my lan event :-)
Well, with the queen buff, speed reapers arnt the threat they once were in tvz, so this would be interesting to see in the current metagame of all matchups. I cant stand useless units and requiring a factory for a bio upgrade is sorta dumb.
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How about giving the reapers 3 mines? ghosts and marines are already ripped off bw so why not go all the way with it
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Kinda hard for blizzard to 'rip' off their own game lol, especially considering its also a starcraft game.
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On May 30 2012 03:44 stratmatt wrote:
Kinda hard for blizzard to 'rip' off their own game lol, especially considering its also a starcraft game.
Wasn't sc2 supposed to bring something new to competitive RTS gaming? I mean, all the terran race is basically old hybrid BW units and C&C esque units.
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