EPTAnd Zealots and Zerglings are not used as much as marines?
Do you guys even play the game?
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
And Zealots and Zerglings are not used as much as marines? Do you guys even play the game? | ||
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Giggl3s
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On May 10 2012 12:04 TheAngelofDeath wrote: Yes because hiding tech and making the zerg have to flip a coin is obviously how the game should be played! Yes because having maphacks and knowing exactly what to do is obviously how Zerg should be played! | ||
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Boner55
Thailand31 Posts
1.250mm Strike Cannons ? Crap skill 2.Caduceus Reactor > Speed Medivac is better Compare to Protoss. 1.Blink 2.Hallucination Terran can't make new Strategy because Bad game Design. Fix it Blizz P.S. Sorry my english is so bad. User was warned for this post | ||
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][Primarch][
Sweden302 Posts
On May 27 2012 08:52 Flonomenalz wrote: Actually in some cases the lower you get the more imbalance you get to see. A Terran army requires massive micro while Zerg and Protoss in comparison does not. For players like MKP and MVP godlike micro can come naturally but for this diamond terran you are talking about it will not. This diamond terran will need to micro better than his Z or P opponent to win. It's the game design atm and EZ logic. This is literally the worst argument ever that is constantly proposed by low level players. "Only X players can play to the point that the game is balanced derp derp" Dude, if you're a T in diamond, your Z opponent in diamond isn't doing anything that much better than you. His unit control is probably about the same as yours. His macro probably about the same. If you're losing to any a-move deathball a la BL/infestor, learn to split. Really. Learn how to transition into Thor/Viking/Tank late game. It's not that hard, considering that your opponent WILL make just as many mistakes as you do. There's no imbalance at diamond level, or any level beyond high GM. There might be TvZ imbalance slightly in favor of Z late game, but I think it balances it with how strong Terran is before that. There most definitely is (imo) late game PvT/PvZ imbalance, but again, that doesn't affect anyone below a certain level. It's just disgusting to see TL flooded with perpetual balance whine when the whiners have so much room to still improve. We all have room to improve. Let the pros do the balance talk. | ||
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:05 windsupernova wrote: Wow 2 years in and people are still complaining about the Marine? And Zealots and Zerglings are not used as much as marines? Do you guys even play the game? I dont support that marine cry but you must realise thta marines are units really cheap that counter everyhthing in this game, marines are way more useful than zealots or zerlings | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:07 Giggl3s wrote: Yes because having maphacks and knowing exactly what to do is obviously how Zerg should be played! While this is obviously extreme, I think it brings up an important point: how much scouting do we really need? To some extent, a lot of Sc2 revolves around making educated guesses. I see that Zerg doesn't have a third and so I prepare for 2base Muta or a more immediate all-in. I have no real way of knowing which all-in it is, so I just play safer in general. Similarly, before the Overlord buff, Zergs used to be able to check my gas timings and infer that I was all-inning. They didn't know precisely which all-in I was doing. Now, they can very commonly actually scout my buildings and see if I have a Twilight, Robo, or Stargate. I question why Zerg needs this advantage when they were doing pretty good beforehand. | ||
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:14 ][Primarch][ wrote: Actually in some cases the lower you get the more imbalance you get to see. A Terran army requires massive micro while Zerg and Protoss in comparison does not. For players like MKP and MVP godlike micro can come naturally but for this diamond terran you are talking about it will not. This diamond terran will need to micro better than his Z or P opponent to win. It's the game design atm and EZ logic. No this is not true at all, micro is almost useless in low leagues for all races, if you play with better macro you will win | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44909 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:07 Giggl3s wrote: Yes because having maphacks and knowing exactly what to do is obviously how Zerg should be played! You realize that maphacks work for the entire game, right? Assuming that Zerg can automatically get a scout in now at any point in the game is just plain false. The Zerg will have a better idea of what to do for the first few minutes of the game, and then he'll still have to try hard to scout later on, when there's more anti-air. The Zerg overlord buff should only be relevant for the first few minutes of the game if his Terran or Protoss opponent has decent awareness of his own base, considering 3-4 marines or stalkers can still take out the buffed overlord. The Zerg needed the increased speed for scouting before 8 minutes. Afterwards, it'd be pretty much irrelevant anyway (or, at least, the opponent's fault for letting the scout in). Nice first post, by the way. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:14 Berceno wrote: I dont support that marine cry but you must realise thta marines are units really cheap that counter everyhthing in this game, marines are way more useful than zealots or zerlings chargelots and speedlings are pretty incredible units in their own rights, but I would agree that they aren't quite as powerful as marines (especially with great micro). That said, both zerg and protoss have infinitely better late game tech AND they benefit from playing on large maps whereas terran gains a disadvantage. I bring that up because maps just keep getting bigger and bigger which allows players to not only get late game tech out easier, but a zerg can abuse their incredible speed and a protoss can abuse the fact that warpgates literally don't care about distance whereas a terran still has to walk his slow ass army across the map. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:05 windsupernova wrote: Wow 2 years in and people are still complaining about the Marine? And Zealots and Zerglings are not used as much as marines? Do you guys even play the game? Well I'm not personally complaining, just talking about stuff. Of course someone started with how the marine is the main core problem for all the terran lategame problems (that's all the QQ terran players we have had these past months) and how the game was balanced around them. Which I agree with. Then some other guys said hey the marine is not OP, it's used as much as Zealots and Lings. Finally we somehow finished talking about MC's PvZ  And I don't play the game. I have more fun watching pros and playing other games. | ||
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Garmer
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:09 Boner55 wrote: Bad game Design ever. You should look add-on Terran. 1.250mm Strike Cannons ? Crap skill 2.Caduceus Reactor > Speed Medivac is better Compare to Protoss. 1.Blink 2.Hallucination Terran can't make new Strategy because Bad game Design. Fix it Blizz P.S. Sorry my english is so bad. Troll? Why didn't you compare Blink and Hallucination with Stim and Concussive shells instead? | ||
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lamiller
United States92 Posts
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tranmillitary
210 Posts
People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are. Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:42 tranmillitary wrote: Most of the people here that are crying... are crying because they can't get into a higher league. IT'S NOT THE RACE, IT'S YOU. If it's so easy to get to GM with Toss or Zerg, THAN DO IT. Why stick to Terran if they suck so bad?? People think they're better than they really are. I'm a masters player on NA and i know that's my skill set. I know i'm not good enough for GM. Some people are are delusional. Switch to another race if you think it's so imbalance. Chances are that you will be in the same division no matter what race you are. Bad game design?? Show me one game with better game design. why don't you quit SC2 and play whatever game is so much better than SC2. No one is forcing anyone here to play SC2. So annoying with so many whiners on this forum. Show me one game with better game design seriously? | ||
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00Zarathustra
Bolivia419 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:55 Garmer wrote: Show me one game with better game design seriously? BROOD WAR!!!! And yes I still play BW and I would like to keep watching BW but they are taking away my pro gamers.  I also play SC2 but it is not as fun because of this bad game design. I can say the same about watching pro SC2. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 30 2012 01:14 00Zarathustra wrote: BROOD WAR!!!! And yes I still play BW and I would like to keep watching BW but they are taking away my pro gamers. I also play SC2 but it is not as fun because of this bad game design. I can say the same about watching pro SC2. Now name a game not made by Blizzard, lmao. I prefer BW myself, but SC2 is a better suited eSport than BW, you need to keep a casual audience, BW doesn't do that. | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:16 Shiori wrote: While this is obviously extreme, I think it brings up an important point: how much scouting do we really need? To some extent, a lot of Sc2 revolves around making educated guesses. I see that Zerg doesn't have a third and so I prepare for 2base Muta or a more immediate all-in. I have no real way of knowing which all-in it is, so I just play safer in general. Similarly, before the Overlord buff, Zergs used to be able to check my gas timings and infer that I was all-inning. They didn't know precisely which all-in I was doing. Now, they can very commonly actually scout my buildings and see if I have a Twilight, Robo, or Stargate. I question why Zerg needs this advantage when they were doing pretty good beforehand. I just want to point out that Zerg typically *needs* to have very good scouting to not simply die. Playing Terran and Protoss a lot more generally safe is a lot easier than it is for Zerg, giving Zerg stronger overlord scouting is just necessary. Let me try to put this into context for you, I play Zerg at like a mid-high masters level, but I'm absolutely horrible at playing Terran, like I play Terran at like a platinum level, like there is generally no way I should be able to beat anyone above Diamond with my Terran, I'm just god-awful. However, before the latest patch I could actually take down high Masters Zergs with Terran simply by using a few Marines to deny all overlord scouting, throw up a bunker at the front to feign an expansion and I just 2port Banshee and win. I beat a lot of high Masters Zergs with this and it was ridiculously easy to do. Nowadays I still might be able to pull it off but it would be a LOT harder and riskier to try and do that. If you really want Zerg to have slower Overlords again then I dare you to try and play with them vs cheesy people who simply throw a couple marines at the edge of their base, you'd better enjoy being forced to completely flip coins over which all-in they may or may not be doing. | ||
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-Kira
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00Zarathustra
Bolivia419 Posts
On May 30 2012 01:17 FiWiFaKi wrote: Now name a game not made by Blizzard, lmao. I prefer BW myself, but SC2 is a better suited eSport than BW, you need to keep a casual audience, BW doesn't do that. What? BW made eSports!!! This "in the name of eSports" mentality is starting to piss me off. I want a fun well designed competitive game!!! Not a game where I have to convince myself to play and support "in the name of eSports" | ||
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