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On May 08 2012 13:04 Grohg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 12:48 Chytilova wrote:On May 08 2012 09:55 AKomrade wrote:Hahaha, #TMI. He knows its dangerous waters mentioning a video game outside of the mainstream on ESPN radio. Awesome that he watches the game though. Might be one of the heavy pushers at ESPN Studios talking to Sundance. I'd be shocked if he had even minor input to any ESPN operation of which he isn't a part. Sundance actually talking about communicating with ESPN in the past...it was the eSports panel a couple of months ago when he mentioned it. That link to Sundance's recent twitter happened to come only a couple of hours after the ESPN SC shoutout. It might have nothing to do with it or it might have a real connection. Either way it's cool to see in something mainstream.
Doug Gottlieb might know about future projects and such (hence the correlation), but I highly doubt he has any say whatsoever.
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My boy Gottlieb coming through in the clutch again.
/win
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On May 08 2012 12:29 Blennd wrote:
Decently big deal in my opinion. ESPN is basically the pinnacle of "cool" in American sports culture, so the fact that he mentioned SC with just a small dose of "I know this is nerdy but..." definitely helps legitimize it.
He seems like he wants to let people know about it, which is so awesome! hurray
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I gotta feel for Gottlieb. I've got Starcraft friends and sports friends, but none of them are interested in both (many of them play LoL). If I were him, I'd be scared of being shouted down by the producers. "[Irrational, stereotyped discrimination of video games]!!"
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I think a lot of you guys got "jocks" pegged completely wrong. I'm a huge sports fanatic and have been all of my life. Playing, watching, talking sports is what I've been about. As have most of my friends. Its those same friends that I game with too. We grew up playing basketball and Halo together. And a lot of professional athletes are the same way. I always see athletes talking about gaming on twitter. Yeah its usually console shooters like CoD, but its still gaming.
Just last year we saw Hank Basket, an NFL WR, at an MLG and Gordon Hayward, an NBA player, at IPL3. Some people here are making gaming sound like its weird and looked down on, when in reality its extremely popular and more people game in some way than not.
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Awesome to see a mainstream radio host talk about starcraft and esports.
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On May 08 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
I think a lot of you guys got "jocks" pegged completely wrong. I'm a huge sports fanatic and have been all of my life. Playing, watching, talking sports is what I've been about. As have most of my friends. Its those same friends that I game with too. We grew up playing basketball and Halo together. And a lot of professional athletes are the same way. I always see athletes talking about gaming on twitter. Yeah its usually console shooters like CoD, but its still gaming.
Just last year we saw Hank Basket, an NFL WR, at an MLG and Gordon Hayward, an NBA player, at IPL3. Some people here are making gaming sound like its weird and looked down on, when in reality its extremely popular and more people game in some way than not.
Gaming is popular, but competitive gaming is not. It's one thing to hang out with your friends and play Halo or Super Smash, it's quite another to call them over to watch he GSL or MLG.
And I think "jock" in may ways is somewhat of an outdated term, but the current incarnation is conflated with "frat boy". A jock in the 80s was basically a nerd hating sports guy, typically a villainous sort, although not always. They were popular, and rarely smart (this of course by stereotype only, not in actuality). Nowadays, a jock might be in to nerd stuff and has just as good of a likelihood to be smart. That part of the stereotype is mostly over, but when people talk about a "typical jock" they really mean the modern day "fart boy", who is basically the 80s style jock only without the specific nerd hating. It's aggressive, sex obsessed guys that don't give a shit about anything in the long term, who also usually end up in business, finance, or McDonalds.
It's not really about accuracy, it's just a common term that people use. It's kind of like hipster, which in reality doesn't mean absolutely anything and no one self-identifies as a hipster, but has a common connotation of being in to "indie", "retro", and "ironic shit", and against "the mainstream". There are very few actual hipsters of this specific type, but there are a wide group of people that are called hipsters, similar how to there are very few jocks of the specific type outlined above, but there are a wide group of people that are called jocks. *shrugs* It is what it is.
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On May 12 2012 10:10 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
I think a lot of you guys got "jocks" pegged completely wrong. I'm a huge sports fanatic and have been all of my life. Playing, watching, talking sports is what I've been about. As have most of my friends. Its those same friends that I game with too. We grew up playing basketball and Halo together. And a lot of professional athletes are the same way. I always see athletes talking about gaming on twitter. Yeah its usually console shooters like CoD, but its still gaming.
Just last year we saw Hank Basket, an NFL WR, at an MLG and Gordon Hayward, an NBA player, at IPL3. Some people here are making gaming sound like its weird and looked down on, when in reality its extremely popular and more people game in some way than not. Gaming is popular, but competitive gaming is not. It's one thing to hang out with your friends and play Halo or Super Smash, it's quite another to call them over to watch he GSL or MLG. And I think "jock" in may ways is somewhat of an outdated term, but the current incarnation is conflated with "frat boy". A jock in the 80s was basically a nerd hating sports guy, typically a villainous sort, although not always. They were popular, and rarely smart (this of course by stereotype only, not in actuality). Nowadays, a jock might be in to nerd stuff and has just as good of a likelihood to be smart. That part of the stereotype is mostly over, but when people talk about a "typical jock" they really mean the modern day "fart boy", who is basically the 80s style jock only without the specific nerd hating. It's aggressive, sex obsessed guys that don't give a shit about anything in the long term, who also usually end up in business, finance, or McDonalds. It's not really about accuracy, it's just a common term that people use. It's kind of like hipster, which in reality doesn't mean absolutely anything and no one self-identifies as a hipster, but has a common connotation of being in to "indie", "retro", and "ironic shit", and against "the mainstream". There are very few actual hipsters of this specific type, but there are a wide group of people that are called hipsters, similar how to there are very few jocks of the specific type outlined above, but there are a wide group of people that are called jocks. *shrugs* It is what it is.
I would disagree about there not being a cross-over. Athletes are extremely competitive people. I remember in my baseball days, we used to take xbox's with us on road trips and LAN 4v4 Halo during the downtime. When my baseball career ended prematurely due to injury, I found an outlet in competitive gaming. Several of my former teammates are incredibly good gamers because they used it as a competitive outlet as well. A few of them put together a 300+ game winning streak in MW2 last year. The mentality is already there, and a lot of them have good hand/eye coordination.
No, it's not going to be as big as the NFL or anything, but I could definitely see it getting bigger than say... the WNBA or professional LaCrosse.
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The most awesome part of it is that Doug actually went out of his way to mention Starcraft.
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I was the guy that emailed ESPN Radio. Here is what my full email said:
"From: David Schmidt [mailto:david.schmidt{at}evercor.com]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 2:50 PM
To: 'DougGottlieb{at}ESPNRadio.com'
Subject: Why I watch football...
I watch football because I appreciate the strategy and the mental aspect. Watching a quarterback slice up a defense or a defense confuse an offence fascinates me.
Interestingly enough, one of my favorite other things to watch is competitive play of Starcraft. Starcraft is a real-time computer strategy game that is a mental chess battle that is far more visually interesting and fast-pace than watching a chess match.
Seeing players use their physical skill and decision making to back other players into an unwinnable corner is the ultimate reality TV. Reality TV that actually is real."
Can't wait for the day when SC2 is mainstream. Don't see it happening this year but next year has a lot of things converging to make it the best shot that SC has ever had - at least in the US.
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Awww man, guess he didn't mention starcraft on his own, but was actually reading the email word for word.
In a sense, you got accidentally trolled haha. 
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On May 12 2012 11:53 DRob wrote:I was the guy that emailed ESPN Radio. Here is what my full email said: "From: David Schmidt [mailto:david.schmidt{at}evercor.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 2:50 PM To: 'DougGottlieb{at}ESPNRadio.com' Subject: Why I watch football... I watch football because I appreciate the strategy and the mental aspect. Watching a quarterback slice up a defense or a defense confuse an offence fascinates me. Interestingly enough, one of my favorite other things to watch is competitive play of Starcraft. Starcraft is a real-time computer strategy game that is a mental chess battle that is far more visually interesting and fast-pace than watching a chess match. Seeing players use their physical skill and decision making to back other players into an unwinnable corner is the ultimate reality TV. Reality TV that actually is real." Can't wait for the day when SC2 is mainstream. Don't see it happening this year but next year has a lot of things converging to make it the best shot that SC has ever had - at least in the US.
Edited your post to obscure the email addresses a bit so you and Doug don't find your inboxes filled with spambot ads. Hope you don't mind. Cool story, by the way, thanks for clearing that up for the thread.
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On May 12 2012 11:53 DRob wrote:I was the guy that emailed ESPN Radio. Here is what my full email said: "From: David Schmidt [mailto:david.schmidt{at}evercor.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 2:50 PM To: 'DougGottlieb{at}ESPNRadio.com' Subject: Why I watch football... I watch football because I appreciate the strategy and the mental aspect. Watching a quarterback slice up a defense or a defense confuse an offence fascinates me. Interestingly enough, one of my favorite other things to watch is competitive play of Starcraft. Starcraft is a real-time computer strategy game that is a mental chess battle that is far more visually interesting and fast-pace than watching a chess match. Seeing players use their physical skill and decision making to back other players into an unwinnable corner is the ultimate reality TV. Reality TV that actually is real." Can't wait for the day when SC2 is mainstream. Don't see it happening this year but next year has a lot of things converging to make it the best shot that SC has ever had - at least in the US.
Wait so Gottlieb was just quoting you? As in he doesn't actually watch SC? Well that's sort of disappointing.
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Man next thing you know sc2 is already featured in other awesome ESPN shows like Around the horn
I can only dream + Show Spoiler +
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fLOL this whole thread turned out to be a sham!
April Fools !!
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I'm learning to treat SC2 like any other interest that I have in my life. As a married business owner I got over the embarrasement of watching people play video games. I tell people it is like watching chess in real-time.
For SC2 to go mainstream it is going to have to be treated not like a "nerd thing" but interesting entertainment. For SC2 to be mainstream it will need to be a bit less hardcore although the hardcore people like us will always have places like TL to hang out at although the broadcasts (on TV) will have to be more accessible.
The key to SC2 going mainstream is connecting SC2 events with other things that are already mainstream. This means:
-- Mainstream advertisers / sponsors
-- Stars and celebrities not related to esports attending. This pulls in fans of those stars and gives validation to a mainstream audiance of the event. Event organizers should look for ways to invite or welcome well known people from outside esports as a way to expand audience reach
-- Growth of SC2 media that covers the events in a mainstream fashion. That makes it easy to learn the basics of the game (without ever playing) and makes it easy to get to know the players, understand who is good, and what events matter most, why they matter, and how to access them.
-- Finding a way to ultimately work off of a model that is not pay-per-view. PPV can work in niche areas and will work for SC2 if SC2 is to stay confined to the hardcore gaming fans population but an ads based, and attendance model that most professional sports seem necessary for wide acceptance. People new to the sport have a hard time paying for something they don't know if they like. But they may watch something free and get hooked. The SD = free, HD = pay model is probably the best happy medium at this point.
I know my thoughts here change the topic slightly but I wanted to share them as it fits with the SC2 going mainstream discussion.
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That's awesome! I love Gottlieb's show. Wish I had gotten to hear it myself
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On May 08 2012 13:14 Chytilova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 13:04 Grohg wrote:On May 08 2012 12:48 Chytilova wrote:On May 08 2012 09:55 AKomrade wrote:Hahaha, #TMI. He knows its dangerous waters mentioning a video game outside of the mainstream on ESPN radio. Awesome that he watches the game though. Might be one of the heavy pushers at ESPN Studios talking to Sundance. I'd be shocked if he had even minor input to any ESPN operation of which he isn't a part. Sundance actually talking about communicating with ESPN in the past...it was the eSports panel a couple of months ago when he mentioned it. That link to Sundance's recent twitter happened to come only a couple of hours after the ESPN SC shoutout. It might have nothing to do with it or it might have a real connection. Either way it's cool to see in something mainstream. Doug Gottlieb might know about future projects and such (hence the correlation), but I highly doubt he has any say whatsoever.
I'm pretty certain any talents don't really know about future projects at ESPN.. not yet anyways.
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eSports is a very "tough sell" to traditional sports fans.
However, this is where Starcraft's age and brand name strength shine through. There are thousands of 30+ middle managers that are now in decision making positions through out the corporate world that have fond memories of Starcraft 1.
Inertia is more powerful than anything.
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On May 08 2012 09:59 Doodsmack wrote:Misinformation is cool.
Nah man, speculation is cool. It would be misinformation if he presented it as some kind of hard fact. He didn't tho. He said "might". Personally I don't think it's too insane to connect that guy, being from ESPN, with Sundance, who allegedly is in contact with guys at ESPN.
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