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On May 07 2012 21:30 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 20:16 nRoot wrote:
Now regarding what happend to Destiny, Quantic simply should have seen it coming and talk to him way, way before any kind of shitstorm could start. Everyone knew what was going on during his stream hours, the chance to do the "punishment" inside Quantic was there, they missed it.
I also would like to second a "zero-tolerance" policy regarding racism. That is like saying the most simple solution to prostitution is "men should just be less horny". It is against reality and human nature.
This was the worst analogy I have seen not only on TL but the whole Internet.
SC2 and all other e-sports/sports out there should always have zero tolerance regarding racism. no ifs and buts. period.
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On May 07 2012 23:36 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On May 07 2012 23:21 QuanticCinergy wrote:
I selected Destiny for the team because I wanted Destiny the player, not Destiny the entertainer. Our shared goal was to provide Steven the support system and opportunities to become the Top GM Zerg player he is today. Everything we have ever done with Steven was either directly or indirectly centered around his growth as a player and as a professional, including sending him to Korea for a few weeks to train.
Being the overseer for 2 of the 3 provided examples, let me say that Steven, Orb, and NaNiwa share among them what I believe to be the fundamental issue at play in these situations - a lack of professionalism in a highly visible and sensitive business environment. To say "Quantic knew what they were getting into" makes me think that people misplace our motivations. Both players (NaNiwa & Destiny) have grown in both skill and demeanor during their time at Quantic, so much so that I would assert they are both the very best today that they have ever been in their entire career.
As a team, we share the same common values as the greater community when it comes to discrimination and equality, but we also stand by our players, even when they make a misstep, not because we are selfish or greedy, but because we see such occurrences as what they truly are - a coaching opportunity to help the player learn and grow so that in future they may be better prepared to make better choices. While I'm left unsure of the best way to handle such situations as a community, I am sure that the way we have tried so far only causes more potential collateral damage than good. At the end of the day, we now are no longer able to help this player, and he likely hasn't grown as a result of this experience. So, in a way, the energy invested in the campaign against his actions counter-intuitively produced a result that likely will not lead to improved future choices, and I can't see that as good for anyone involved. Glad to see someone on the inside confirm that the witch hints are counter productive. Certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it. And others, such as ToD, have publicly condemned what Destiny said too. What's your point? Of course the team owner and CEO of the team Destiny was on is not going to like the negative publicity. You really thought otherwise?
The point is NOT that what Destiny did is wrong. The point is that it's NOT okay to fucking email sponsors about it. There are other ways of dealing with this that don't involve potentially cutting off funding for a team that supports players other than Destiny. What the fuck is complex about that?
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On May 07 2012 23:40 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:36 hypercube wrote:
I have no problem with people participating in these if they are legitimately upset. However some do it for the sole reason that they want to hurt someone, or to feel powerful. They also think it's impossible to see their true motivation or it somehow doesn't matter if they are on the "right side". Nothing could be further from the truth.
Not sure about the crowd who thinks they are protecting esports. I think they are just factually wrong. SC2 will rise or fail on its own merit. Destiny's racial slurs aren't turning away the masses. It's the fact that they don't understand what's going on. IF SC2 becomes mainstream the stakeholders will make sure it's cleaned up very fast. I do agree - it's clear that some people simply don't like Naniwa/Destiny. But I think there are others who really think that this is unacceptable. The words used by Destiny in particular were hurtful to minorities, of which I am one. For those who think it's ridiculous to e-mail sponsors, think about the years of pain that many of us (or our parents/grandparents, in my case) had to go through with such words.
My gay friend has to watch streams where half the streamers on Teamliquid who do use a mic insult people they are playing with/against by calling them "fucking faggots". If it hurts/stings you then my best advice would be to stop watching said stream.
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On May 07 2012 23:42 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 21:30 Mioraka wrote:On May 07 2012 20:16 nRoot wrote:
Now regarding what happend to Destiny, Quantic simply should have seen it coming and talk to him way, way before any kind of shitstorm could start. Everyone knew what was going on during his stream hours, the chance to do the "punishment" inside Quantic was there, they missed it.
I also would like to second a "zero-tolerance" policy regarding racism. That is like saying the most simple solution to prostitution is "men should just be less horny". It is against reality and human nature. This was the worst analogy I have seen not only on TL but the whole Internet. SC2 and all other e-sports/sports out there should always have zero tolerance regarding racism. no ifs and buts. period.
There should be zero tolerance towards sexual discrimination either but I don't see that happening... would I to pick out streamers that used the word "faggot" out there would be one person from nearly every pro team. Those guys should get the chop too right?
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On May 07 2012 23:33 tripp6sic6 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:30 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2012 23:13 tripp6sic6 wrote:On May 07 2012 23:08 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2012 22:55 Dubag wrote:1) Naniwa's probe rush in a 'meaningless game' (Dec 2011) + Show Spoiler +It was in a game in which the outcome of their respective fates had been sealed. The series had already been decided with Nestea, and after a frustrating day of playing, Naniwa unemphatically worker rushed to end the series quickly.
The outcry against this play was proportionally out of hand and this was, in my opinion, the largest witch hunt of 2011. While I understand the Korean tradition of playing honourably and completing what was touted as a fierce rivalry, the consequence of not honouring such a tradition was enormous. In elite sports, such as football or hockey, when the playoffs are decided, and a team is eliminated, the best players rest, to preserve them for when games count. When a team is leading by such a large margin, the players rest for more challenging games. In terms of comparison, I see no difference between this or what Naniwa had done.
Yet, do these stars face fines? or suspensions? or to compare to Naniwa, get removed from their respective leagues? Of course not, it'd be absolutely ridiculous. Why did it happen to Naniwa though? Witch hunting; this was the mob's first real taste of blood, and they don't stop here. While the condemnation was originally amongst the korean players as a sign of disrespect, the community witch hunt only exacerbated the situation into what he actually received as his punishment. I only read your post, I havn't looked at the replies so if this has been covered I apoligise in advance. Your defense of Naniwa here is completly skewed. You say when the game doesn't 'mean' anything in football and hockey that teams rest players and put in 2nd tier options is the same as Naniwa throwing a game? You are talking about a team game over a season. Here in AUS we have the AFL, when teams know for certain that they cannot make the finals (I guess playoffs) sometimes they will start to 'blood' new recruits and younger players to give them experiance heading into the next season. This exposes their new players to more experiance at the top level and helps the team become stronger for the following year. What does Naniwa probe rushing help in the long term? or even in the short term? How can you compare a team making strategic moves to strengthen their side for the following season with a 1on1 game where Naniwa had nothing to gain by playing a solid game, but alot to lose by throwing it away? To put it in fairer terms, thats like a football or hockey team sending out their players who then just sit on the ground for the entire game. What do you think would be the fallout from that? He used a bad example. Think of it more like a football team is down 40-10 on their own 2 yd line with 2 timeouts and 40 seconds left. Instead of playing it out they do a quick run play (essentially a kneel) and let time run out. Do you fault them in this situation for not using up all their timeouts and playing it down to the last play even though they had no chance? The obvious difference being that they had a football game to watch in the first place. It would be more like you are out of contention and decide to punt on 1st down all game. That's not acceptable in football and shouldn't be acceptable in pro SC2. You didn't get to see Nani or Nestea play in their first three losses? You didn't see how defeated they already were? To expect them to play their hearts out on a game of no consequence on a national stage is just cruel. We don't force the last 10 players out before the bubble to play their own final table for no reason do we? The losers in the AFC/NFC finals dont play each other for the "not-so-super bowl" do they? Again, your example is not valid. First, there is a difference between not playing to your fullest and not giving anything to the fans who view the event. Second, there ARE situations in the NFL where a team has no chance to win a Super Bowl and has to play it out anyway. If you are eliminated from contention in game 14 of a 16 game season, you still can't punt the ball on first down for games 15 and 16. That's still not OK.
In the rare situation where both teams stand to gain nothing, they both play their D-List line up. Which sure as hell IS NOT what the fans paid to see. I would be willing to wager a pretty penny that most in the stands wouldn't even be able to name the players on the field. Not the same team I paid to see translates to not the game I expected to see. At least the latter didn't waste 2 hours of my life while the former did and took my money while doing so. -_-
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On May 07 2012 23:42 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 21:30 Mioraka wrote:On May 07 2012 20:16 nRoot wrote:
Now regarding what happend to Destiny, Quantic simply should have seen it coming and talk to him way, way before any kind of shitstorm could start. Everyone knew what was going on during his stream hours, the chance to do the "punishment" inside Quantic was there, they missed it.
I also would like to second a "zero-tolerance" policy regarding racism. That is like saying the most simple solution to prostitution is "men should just be less horny". It is against reality and human nature. This was the worst analogy I have seen not only on TL but the whole Internet. SC2 and all other e-sports/sports out there should always have zero tolerance regarding racism. no ifs and buts. period.
The issue is not whether or not racism is okay. It's whether or not you should email sponsors about it. Which you shouldn't. Honestly I couldn't care less what Destiny does, but if you think something he does is wrong email his team, not the sponsors who support Quantic's 6 fucking teams across 5 different e-sports, especially when you're ultimately not even going to hurt Destiny's income at all.
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At the end of the day Destiny's attitude was incredibly Juvenile. People are free to email sponsors if they want so get over it.
Both parties have free will to do whatever they wish.
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This is the nature of how politics works in the world. Look at the witch hunt Shirley Sherrod went through. And it all turned out to be untrue.
So in the end this isn't a problem with SC2, it is a problem with humanity in general.
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On May 07 2012 23:47 Kamwah wrote:
At the end of the day Destiny's attitude was incredibly Juvenile. People are free to email sponsors if they want so get over it.
Both parties have free will to do whatever they wish.
Having the right to do it does not mean that they SHOULD do it. Your logic is childish and flawed.
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On May 07 2012 23:31 Bart wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:21 QuanticCinergy wrote:
I selected Destiny for the team because I wanted Destiny the player, not Destiny the entertainer. Our shared goal was to provide Steven the support system and opportunities to become the Top GM Zerg player he is today. Everything we have ever done with Steven was either directly or indirectly centered around his growth as a player and as a professional, including sending him to Korea for a few weeks to train.
Being the overseer for 2 of the 3 provided examples, let me say that Steven, Orb, and NaNiwa share among them what I believe to be the fundamental issue at play in these situations - a lack of professionalism in a highly visible and sensitive business environment. To say "Quantic knew what they were getting into" makes me think that people misplace our motivations. Both players (NaNiwa & Destiny) have grown in both skill and demeanor during their time at Quantic, so much so that I would assert they are both the very best today that they have ever been in their entire career.
As a team, we share the same common values as the greater community when it comes to discrimination and equality, but we also stand by our players, even when they make a misstep, not because we are selfish or greedy, but because we see such occurrences as what they truly are - a coaching opportunity to help the player learn and grow so that in future they may be better prepared to make better choices. While I'm left unsure of the best way to handle such situations as a community, I am sure that the way we have tried so far only causes more potential collateral damage than good. At the end of the day, we now are no longer able to help this player, and he likely hasn't grown as a result of this experience. So, in a way, the energy invested in the campaign against his actions counter-intuitively produced a result that likely will not lead to improved future choices, and I can't see that as good for anyone involved. While you say that you have common values when it comes to discrimination and equality you knew what you were getting into when you selected Destiny to be on your team yet you said nothing about any actions to address his behaviour during his tenure in Quantic. Although it may seem counter-intuitive to you now that you have to be more selective in choosing players to your team I think it is better that teams now take into consideration the players moral and behaviour as well as their skill in order for them to be good role models to those impresionable ones who grow up watching Esports as their main entertainment.
Just because I "said nothing about any actions to address his behaviour" doesn't mean that nothing was said, to the contrary we talk to our players about professionalism and core values all the time. But in order to us to help, both the player, and the community, after such an event, we must have the opportunity to discuss the matter directly with the player before taking any action or making any statement. We don't throw our player under the bus to protect our own interests - our interest is our players, and yes, I think behaviors are an important consideration, but if you place it above all else, there are many talented players that are largely admired that would be possibly considered non-engage-able, yet are on equally prominent teams, with equally prominent sponsors. I agree though, as the space and the community it serves evolves these standards should evolve too.
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On May 07 2012 23:29 crocodile wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:05 Detwiler wrote:On May 07 2012 22:53 CaptainCrush wrote:On May 07 2012 22:44 Detwiler wrote:
Here we go killing esports again... Yup to actually grow esports we need our communities public figures to call people niggers and gooks on stream and our pro players to throw games they dont feel like playing. Yep thats what we need to grow this thing and all the fans need to just sit down and shut up. Sounds legit. Well to be completely honest, starting a witch hunt and getting a person banned and fired is no better, both create a rift within the community. People just need thicker skin, the scene has nearly fully branded itself as a bunch of cry-babies by now, and little to nothing else other than that. Unfortunately this is the internet, so everyone has ample opportunity to voice their opinion, no matter how stupid and the veil of annonimity makes everyone argue their point until the think they others will actually listen. Of the two options, I honestly think it would be better to sit down and shut up, just let shit like this roll off your shoulders, most of these witch hunts have been started over words anyways.... I'm sure you guys have heard the "stick and stones" saying before... Sigh... How stupid can people be? I mean really? Take the OP for example. Talking about hurting esports. Or this guy im replying to that thinks we should let thrown games and calling people niggers and gooks just slide because its no big deal. Both apparently want to "grow" esports. Yet I have this feeling that they are out of touch with reality. Because you cant grow the sport while at the same time allowing things like this to happen.Look at korea for example were they have company's like samsung nokia and pepsi are sponsoring teams. Does anyone think pepsi will attach their brand to some one who calls people niggers over their stream? Anyone? Once you get to a certain point of growth you enter the big leagues were like it or not there are certain lines of conduct that cannot be crossed. Period. Full stop. End of conversation. Now if you want to keep the whole scene so small that shit like that doesnt matter thats fine. Thats what the fight game community wants and thats 100% ok. But you cant act like you want esports to grow while at the same time condoning the behavior of nani/orb/destiny the two thing arent compatible. This is the problem that bugs me and the OP and other like-minded posters. You divide the issue into two options; either we let racism slide, or we email the sponsors. There is a middle ground in which you still punish the person for perceived racism by contacting their team. The team will listen. You appear to be under the impression for whatever reason that if you don't contact the sponsors, the team won't do anything, but that isn't the case. You just never gave Quantic a chance to respond on their own.
People can be very very very very very stupid, however telling them such is worthless and they won't ever change their mind. The funniest part about this whole thing is no one "gets it"(sorry MLG <3) The only reason all of these 'offended people' are coming out of the woodwork now; is because they got away with it when they did it to nani and it's pathetic. they take an unargueable offense like racism and shove it down the community at large's metaphorical face saying he said a racist word in an extremely stressful situation HES A RACIST! They never seem to get upset when people accidentally type KKK instead of K or KK. They don't get upset about anything actually racist (like IMO the whole foreigner thing is a tad rediculous who gives a shit if someone is korean if they are good at sc2 idc i wanna watch) I think it's because no one is actually offended I mean destiny was streaming for how long? months? what's changed? Orb getting fired...people smell blood and that's that. It's sad and pathetic but if people know they can get people fired by going to sponsers the trolls all over will be foaming at their tusks....
Tldr: The only reason Orb got fired or destiny left to avoid trouble for quantic is because a few people were upset rightfully so and trolls and ironically white knights banded together and because judge jury and executioner all in one go. keep it up guys.....-.-
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On May 07 2012 23:47 Kamwah wrote:
At the end of the day Destiny's attitude was incredibly Juvenile. People are free to email sponsors if they want so get over it.
Both parties have free will to do whatever they wish.
That is some of the worst logic I've seen on the internet.
Being able to do something does not mean one should do said thing.
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On May 07 2012 23:48 QuanticCinergy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:31 Bart wrote:On May 07 2012 23:21 QuanticCinergy wrote:
I selected Destiny for the team because I wanted Destiny the player, not Destiny the entertainer. Our shared goal was to provide Steven the support system and opportunities to become the Top GM Zerg player he is today. Everything we have ever done with Steven was either directly or indirectly centered around his growth as a player and as a professional, including sending him to Korea for a few weeks to train.
Being the overseer for 2 of the 3 provided examples, let me say that Steven, Orb, and NaNiwa share among them what I believe to be the fundamental issue at play in these situations - a lack of professionalism in a highly visible and sensitive business environment. To say "Quantic knew what they were getting into" makes me think that people misplace our motivations. Both players (NaNiwa & Destiny) have grown in both skill and demeanor during their time at Quantic, so much so that I would assert they are both the very best today that they have ever been in their entire career.
As a team, we share the same common values as the greater community when it comes to discrimination and equality, but we also stand by our players, even when they make a misstep, not because we are selfish or greedy, but because we see such occurrences as what they truly are - a coaching opportunity to help the player learn and grow so that in future they may be better prepared to make better choices. While I'm left unsure of the best way to handle such situations as a community, I am sure that the way we have tried so far only causes more potential collateral damage than good. At the end of the day, we now are no longer able to help this player, and he likely hasn't grown as a result of this experience. So, in a way, the energy invested in the campaign against his actions counter-intuitively produced a result that likely will not lead to improved future choices, and I can't see that as good for anyone involved. While you say that you have common values when it comes to discrimination and equality you knew what you were getting into when you selected Destiny to be on your team yet you said nothing about any actions to address his behaviour during his tenure in Quantic. Although it may seem counter-intuitive to you now that you have to be more selective in choosing players to your team I think it is better that teams now take into consideration the players moral and behaviour as well as their skill in order for them to be good role models to those impresionable ones who grow up watching Esports as their main entertainment. Just because I "said nothing about any actions to address his behaviour" doesn't mean that nothing was said, to the contrary we talk to our players about professionalism and core values all the time. But in order to us to help, both the player, and the community, after such an event, we must have the opportunity to discuss the matter directly with the player before taking any action or making any statement. We don't throw our player under the bus to protect our own interests - our interest is our players, and yes, I think behaviors are an important consideration, but if you place it above all else, there are many talented players that are largely admired that would be possibly considered non-engage-able, yet are on equally prominent teams, with equally prominent sponsors. I agree though, as the space and the community it serves evolves these standards should evolve too.
Sadly I think it's going to have to be another thing on the team's shoulder. I think to avoid this happening again you and all the other teams are going to have to be extremely ironclad on what you can say and what you can't and at first its going to be an awkward mess. With how trigger happy this community is, it has to be pre-emptive :/ sorry
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On May 07 2012 23:46 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:33 tripp6sic6 wrote:On May 07 2012 23:30 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2012 23:13 tripp6sic6 wrote:On May 07 2012 23:08 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2012 22:55 Dubag wrote:1) Naniwa's probe rush in a 'meaningless game' (Dec 2011) + Show Spoiler +It was in a game in which the outcome of their respective fates had been sealed. The series had already been decided with Nestea, and after a frustrating day of playing, Naniwa unemphatically worker rushed to end the series quickly.
The outcry against this play was proportionally out of hand and this was, in my opinion, the largest witch hunt of 2011. While I understand the Korean tradition of playing honourably and completing what was touted as a fierce rivalry, the consequence of not honouring such a tradition was enormous. In elite sports, such as football or hockey, when the playoffs are decided, and a team is eliminated, the best players rest, to preserve them for when games count. When a team is leading by such a large margin, the players rest for more challenging games. In terms of comparison, I see no difference between this or what Naniwa had done.
Yet, do these stars face fines? or suspensions? or to compare to Naniwa, get removed from their respective leagues? Of course not, it'd be absolutely ridiculous. Why did it happen to Naniwa though? Witch hunting; this was the mob's first real taste of blood, and they don't stop here. While the condemnation was originally amongst the korean players as a sign of disrespect, the community witch hunt only exacerbated the situation into what he actually received as his punishment. I only read your post, I havn't looked at the replies so if this has been covered I apoligise in advance. Your defense of Naniwa here is completly skewed. You say when the game doesn't 'mean' anything in football and hockey that teams rest players and put in 2nd tier options is the same as Naniwa throwing a game? You are talking about a team game over a season. Here in AUS we have the AFL, when teams know for certain that they cannot make the finals (I guess playoffs) sometimes they will start to 'blood' new recruits and younger players to give them experiance heading into the next season. This exposes their new players to more experiance at the top level and helps the team become stronger for the following year. What does Naniwa probe rushing help in the long term? or even in the short term? How can you compare a team making strategic moves to strengthen their side for the following season with a 1on1 game where Naniwa had nothing to gain by playing a solid game, but alot to lose by throwing it away? To put it in fairer terms, thats like a football or hockey team sending out their players who then just sit on the ground for the entire game. What do you think would be the fallout from that? He used a bad example. Think of it more like a football team is down 40-10 on their own 2 yd line with 2 timeouts and 40 seconds left. Instead of playing it out they do a quick run play (essentially a kneel) and let time run out. Do you fault them in this situation for not using up all their timeouts and playing it down to the last play even though they had no chance? The obvious difference being that they had a football game to watch in the first place. It would be more like you are out of contention and decide to punt on 1st down all game. That's not acceptable in football and shouldn't be acceptable in pro SC2. You didn't get to see Nani or Nestea play in their first three losses? You didn't see how defeated they already were? To expect them to play their hearts out on a game of no consequence on a national stage is just cruel. We don't force the last 10 players out before the bubble to play their own final table for no reason do we? The losers in the AFC/NFC finals dont play each other for the "not-so-super bowl" do they? Again, your example is not valid. First, there is a difference between not playing to your fullest and not giving anything to the fans who view the event. Second, there ARE situations in the NFL where a team has no chance to win a Super Bowl and has to play it out anyway. If you are eliminated from contention in game 14 of a 16 game season, you still can't punt the ball on first down for games 15 and 16. That's still not OK. In the rare situation where both teams stand to gain nothing, they both play their D-List line up. Which sure as hell IS NOT what the fans paid to see. I would be willing to wager a pretty penny that most in the stands wouldn't even be able to name the players on the field. Not the same team I paid to see translates to not the game I expected to see. At least the latter didn't waste 2 hours of my life while the former did and took my money while doing so. -_- Wrong again. There are several situations where teams out of the playoffs knockout teams still in contention. Most teams treat these games in order to determine who makes the roster for the following year. I'm not saying they try their absolute hardest all of the time, but they don't pull players from the game most often and put on a reasonable show for the fans.
Adrian Peterson was injured last year in a meaningless game. If the Vikings aren't pulling a player of his caliber, I'm pretty sure everyone was playing.
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You don't need to treat sponsors like glass chandeliers. They are by-and-large astute business men with enough worldly experience to understand these situations. They're not gonna pull sponsorship from an entire team because of the actions of one member if they can just deal with the one member instead (ring any bells?). This is because the sponsorship is a business transaction that benefits them as well as the team.
If teams are struggling to find sponsors it's not because of standard "dirty-laundry" stuff like this, it's because esports is a business model that's untested.
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On May 07 2012 23:47 crocodile wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 23:42 papaz wrote:On May 07 2012 21:30 Mioraka wrote:On May 07 2012 20:16 nRoot wrote:
Now regarding what happend to Destiny, Quantic simply should have seen it coming and talk to him way, way before any kind of shitstorm could start. Everyone knew what was going on during his stream hours, the chance to do the "punishment" inside Quantic was there, they missed it.
I also would like to second a "zero-tolerance" policy regarding racism. That is like saying the most simple solution to prostitution is "men should just be less horny". It is against reality and human nature. This was the worst analogy I have seen not only on TL but the whole Internet. SC2 and all other e-sports/sports out there should always have zero tolerance regarding racism. no ifs and buts. period. The issue is not whether or not racism is okay. It's whether or not you should email sponsors about it. Which you shouldn't. Honestly I couldn't care less what Destiny does, but if you think something he does is wrong email his team, not the sponsors who support Quantic's 6 fucking teams across 5 different e-sports, especially when you're ultimately not even going to hurt Destiny's income at all.
Historically, if people had a problem with content being broadcasted, they would contact the broadcaster, who would then decide how to deal with the producer of the content. In this situation, "the broadcaster" (ie. the company who owns streaming infrastructure) has, as I understand it, pretty much disavowed all content on its medium. This is why it gets murky.
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I'd just like to take the chance to thank QuanticCinergy for actually participating in this discussion out in the open as a part of the community. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that it means a lot when the higher-ups get involved at the ground level and actively engage the community as a whole, even when it means doing so in light of a less-than-happy circumstance.
Edited for missing letters.
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I won't stop sending emails if a player who represents this community crosses the line. Although I have learned this past week that it's much better to contact the team rather than the sponsor first. I suggest others consider the same.
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It never ceases to amaze me the amount of time and energy people spend on this site defending and/or debating what is obviously bad behavior. If you want to play custom games with your friends, by all means call them all the names you want. If you want to be a professional--i.e., get paid--then prepare to be held to ordinary standards of professional conduct. This goes for players, casters, managers, teams, and anyone else. In the modern world, in which we happen to live, this is not just true for all professional sports, it is true for all jobs. I think most of the actual professionals in this industry get this because they are grown-ups and live in the grown-up world. Many people on this site appear to still be figuring it out.
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On May 07 2012 23:55 iYiYi wrote:
I won't stop sending emails if a player who represents this community crosses the line. Although I have learned this past week that it's much better to contact the team rather than the sponsor first. I suggest others consider the same.
More power to you bro. If you have a point, people will listen to you, if you're being a dick, people will ignore you. Sweeping things under the rug doesn't help anybody.
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