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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:17 ooozer wrote: That wouldnt balance anything. Thors, ravens, BCs, medivacs and banshees would be too strong. I didn't say balance. I said rework. The matchup is broken atm because Terran has no options in terms of mechanical units and Bio is not very strong. Give terran some options to innovate in a mu that has no changed since the beta, then balance around that. | ||
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ooozer
Germany231 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:37 crocodile wrote: I didn't say balance. I said rework. The matchup is broken atm because Terran has no options in terms of mechanical units and Bio is not very strong. Give terran some options to innovate in a mu that has no changed since the beta, then balance around that. Completly changing a MU? That's what HotS is supossed to do, not a silly patch. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:42 ooozer wrote: Completly changing a MU? That's what HotS is supossed to do, not a silly patch. Yup, when HotS comes out everything will change >< It's going to be like beta 2010 all over again, but I guess I actually really enjoyed the beta so I'm not too worried. | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
The idea that i prefer the most is to make feedback not do any damage against massive units(still draining energy). It will help making Thors and Battlecruiser more viable while not twisting too many other things. | ||
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
The idea that i prefer the most is to make feedback not do any damage against massive units(still draining energy). It will help making Thors and Battlecruiser more viable while not twisting too many other things. i like this proposed idea, it kind a reminds me of how QXC proposed snipe be nerfed vs massive instead of how the real snipe nerf ended up going down =\ | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:55 Sumadin wrote: I believe that feedback currently is broken against terran mech but we have to be careful. I don't think it is broken against banshees or medivacs for the simple reason that protoss AA is weak compared to other races(Example: Photon cannons have much less dps than turrets). Mass Banshee could become a problem if we aren't careful. The idea that i prefer the most is to make feedback not do any damage against massive units(still draining energy). It will help making Thors and Battlecruiser more viable while not twisting too many other things. Do you remember that thread on here a while back talking about mass air TvP? Well, it said that you should be spamming cloak/decloak if you aren't going to use it so that the banshees have no energy. Protoss' have been QQing about it a lot, and I myself can say that it's a very frustrating style to play against, but really fun to play. The problem is that all openers are very, very vulnerable to blinkstalker timings. :< | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:37 SupLilSon wrote: Where did I say he played well? I think it's a great testament to what every Terran player here has been saying. Terran is forced to pull off near perfect micro/unit control where the slightest mistake will cost you 50 supply. Protoss barely needs to be looking at the battle to pull off a crushing defeat. He basically just needs to bank on Terran making 1 mistake, which is very likely if you're not Code S Terran. Hmmm... might explain some of the disconnect between Code S Terran (only people having even slight success TvP) and the rest of the world (getting ROFLSTOMPED in TvP). It's no less punishing than Terran vs Zerg marine/marauder vs ling/bane. The difference is that HT's are AoE banelings with 9 range, which is really annoying. T_T | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:37 crocodile wrote: I didn't say balance. I said rework. The matchup is broken atm because Terran has no options in terms of mechanical units and Bio is not very strong. Give terran some options to innovate in a mu that has no changed since the beta, then balance around that. your joking right? terran, out of ALL 3 races, has the MOST options to work with. they have so many different paths to go down. bunker rush, hellion harass, banshee harass, 1/1/1, 3 racks, 4 racks, mech, bio mech, pure bio, etc etc... terran needs nothing else. they litterally have an answer for everything. also u have to consider the fact that u cant change a MU without first looking how it will effect other MUs. that is VERY important. even if u do fix one MU there is a chance that u can break a different MU. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:37 SupLilSon wrote: Where did I say he played well? I think it's a great testament to what every Terran player here has been saying. Terran is forced to pull off near perfect micro/unit control where the slightest mistake will cost you 50 supply. Protoss barely needs to be looking at the battle to pull off a crushing defeat. He basically just needs to bank on Terran making 1 mistake, which is very likely if you're not Code S Terran. Hmmm... might explain some of the disconnect between Code S Terran (only people having even slight success TvP) and the rest of the world (getting ROFLSTOMPED in TvP). Using the active ability on your Ghosts is a far cry from playing perfectly. | ||
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sieksdekciw
240 Posts
Toss should be nerfed in such a way that in big engagements toss should be forced to actually do something. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:10 sieksdekciw wrote: Guys, even Ganzi complained about toss (JUST now on his stream). What do you think is the reason? Toss should be nerfed in such a way that in big engagements toss should be forced to actually do something. Korean Terrans, Korean Protoss, Korean Zerg have all been saying it for a long time. Apparently the Toss here on TL know something they don't. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:13 SupLilSon wrote: Korean Terrans, Korean Protoss, Korean Zerg have all been saying it for a long time. Apparently the Toss here on TL know something they don't. Not sure what Protoss players are complaining about Toss being allegedly too strong. And Zerg? What does Zerg have to do with this? | ||
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ooozer
Germany231 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:10 sieksdekciw wrote: Guys, even Ganzi complained about toss (JUST now on his stream). What do you think is the reason? Toss should be nerfed in such a way that in big engagements toss should be forced to actually do something. Because he lost to one probably? | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
Passive macro players will have a viable strat. Those who enjoy mid game aggression vs clock can play bio. Matchup becomes much more interesting. I hope they are trying to achieve this in Hots. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:22 sperY wrote: Screen shots without replay isn't gonna work. How many times we saw 200 vs 200 fights and terran hits good emp's and fight ends with toss losing 2-3 times more supply and the game? Same goes with storms. If you let your whole army eat storm, you deserve to lose. now I'm really curious. I want to see 5 high level games of 2012, were terran wins a 200-200 fight so convincingly, that he takes the game right after it. Even 5 high level games were terran really wins those 200-200 engagements would be enough for me. gogo prove your point! | ||
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kahaleo
7 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:32 zezamer wrote: Just make mech viable. Passive macro players will have a viable strat. Those who enjoy mid game aggression vs clock can play bio. Matchup becomes much more interesting. I hope they are trying to achieve this in Hots. How exactly do you propose that? I think everyone would love mech to be be viable, but no one is sure how to do it. It isn't as as simple as "just make mech viable." | ||
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CurseDawg
Portugal31 Posts
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