EPTMonster: "Foreign tournaments 100 easier than GSL" - Page 8
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:40 Xarles wrote: True, but we could however look at PuMa's record in Korea and outside of it to judge the difficulty, or how much time NaNiwa has had to spend in Korea before he was actually able to win a Bo3 in GSL let alone reach ro8. Well, yeah, it's obvious than GSL is way harder, that's why I didn't even talk about it when I compared DH to other tournaments. DH was easy even compared with OTHER foreign tournaments. It's essentially stomping random Swedes for 2 days before finally having to be matched against top foreigners in quarter finals. Obviously any Korean is going to do well... That's why I think that it's a bit conceited of a declaration from Monster. Again, saying GSL is the hardest shit in the world is Captain Obvious level imo. But the caliber of play at IPL 4 (for example) was comparable I think, while it was certainly not at DH. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:28 Nifel wrote: You can't really compare Dreamhack, which is a one time event with a huge open pool play to GSL, which in itself is divided in several leagues were the playerbase is filtered over the course of many seasons. At an event like Dreamhack only the final stages of the championship bracket can compare to GSL. That being said, going all the way in a tournament like Dreamhack takes quite a bit as the upper brackets will most likely hold a lot of Code S quality players. Making it "far" might be 100 times easier, but in the end you have to defeat similar competition (which Monster couldn't). Personally, I feel there's need for both these huge, crazy events like DH and MLG and a consistent high end league like GSL. There were three Code S players at Dreamhack. People should stop pretending like the player pool at Dreamhack is equal to an MLG or IPL, it wasn't even close. They're completely incomparable. The Dreamhack player pool was weaker than even NASL Season 2. | ||
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Amityville
United States36 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
So who do you think is the best player on your team? Monster: DongRaeGu. Is he the best player in Korea as well? Monster: Yes. Even the best in the world? Monster: Yes. monster <3 DRG | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
but honestly MLG has turned into GSL in US -_- | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:48 CeriseCherries wrote: -_- DH this time around was not so deep with koreans... but honestly MLG has turned into GSL in US -_- I would say IPL4 had way more good koreans then MLG has ever had. IPL4 was the closest thing to a GSL code S tournament imo in terms of difficulty. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:48 CeriseCherries wrote: -_- DH this time around was not so deep with koreans... but honestly MLG has turned into GSL in US -_- And it's great. People don't seriously clamour for the old MLG's of laggy streams, no Tastosis and TT1 vs Jinro in the finals do they? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
No, it isn't. People don't seriously clamour for the old MLG's of laggy streams, no Tastosis and TT1 vs Jinro in the finals do they? No, people want foreigners vs. Koreans, not Koreans vs. Koreans, and not foreigners vs. foreigners. This is why MLG's Spring Arena 2 is region limited, and David Ting from IPL said they're going to do the same thing. | ||
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KillerDucky
United States498 Posts
Dreamhack at least 73/3 ~= 24X harder than GSL. Q.E.D. | ||
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ramask2
Thailand1024 Posts
Its probably easy to get far into this tournament. However, its a whole different story winning it. You have the fatigues from fighting so many bo3s, the nerves from playing in front of thousands of people. Its a different sort of challenge than playing at the GOM studio. Consider how he completely choked during the match with Thorzain, I think he probably gets it now. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:54 Azarkon wrote: No, it isn't. No, people want foreigners vs. Koreans, not Koreans vs. Koreans, and not foreigners vs. foreigners. This is why MLG's Spring Arena 2 is region limited, and David Ting from IPL said they're going to do the same thing. Well, at some point in the event it's always going to be Koreans vs Koreans anyway after they're done wiping the floor with foreigners, it's even sadder than to start with Koreans from the get-go and let the few foreigners that really deserve it have a shot against them :D | ||
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flagg
Sweden123 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:48 Amityville wrote: im from korea, korea we have gsl, gsl 100x times better skill than awful foreigners. All this coming from a guy that has won nothing. What a complete clown this guy is. while it might seem abit off or weird that a somewhat unaccomplished player goes out to say something like this, from personal experience i have to agree with him when i played up and down i went 1-3 in my group, then 0-2 in the code a and the time i was in korea before then was gsl world invitational where i lost all my games aswell (i think it was 0-1 in the "clanwar" and 0-2 in the bracket). from watching gsl on a daily basis its really insane how much they are improving all the time and how literally everyone is sick good. our known champions falling to code a or even code b left and right and constant rotation on whos considered among the top just goes to show the amount of very good players they have i got to top16 at dreamhack without preparing for my opponents or even practicing the new dreamhack maps, its not a good result but still. to come top16 to code S is a sick achievement and it is wayyy wayyyyyyyy harder. i prepared vs maruprime and studied his style closely the best i could, and practiced vs only terran about 3 weeks prior to my match. then when i had to play against him i lost 0-2 got my face absolutely stomped. you can take huk and naniwa as example too, who lost miserably the first period aswell, only after a few months were they able to step up their game enough while prior to that were strong enough to be favorites of foreigner events so ye just from my own personal experience and my outlooks as a spectator watching mlg, dreamhack and gsl i think gsl is about 100 times harder lol. trust me there are so many good players you have never even seen in gsl that are trying each month to qualify, players who practice just as much as the ones in code S and are almost as good | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:57 ramask2 wrote: He doesn't exactly have a winning personality, but he's sort of right. Its probably easy to get far into this tournament. However, its a whole different story winning it. You have the fatigues from fighting so many bo3s, the nerves from playing in front of thousands of people. Its a different sort of challenge than playing at the GOM studio. Consider how he completely choked during the match with Thorzain, I think he probably gets it now. im not sure why people are ragging on him for saying that GSL is a harder tournament; there is no controversy in that statement. in the rest of the interview, he comes off as bland, but not condescending. he even compliments nerchio and says he had a lot of luck in beating the foreigners up to that point. how many people are just reading the title to this op and not the rest of the interview? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 27 2012 06:58 ZenithM wrote: Well, at some point in the event it's always going to be Koreans vs Koreans anyway after they're done wiping the floor with foreigners, it's even sadder than to start with Koreans from the get-go and let the few foreigners that really deserve it have a shot against them :D Thing is, Koreans aren't wiping the floor with foreigners. They're pulling out wins, but seeing Genius struggle at Dreamhack, and the amount of matches that go to a third game, I think there's a dynamic to the foreigner vs. Korean rivalry that's still attractive to viewers. Not every Korean is going to go 22-1 - a lot of them are not that solid. | ||
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Amityville
United States36 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:03 Azarkon wrote: Thing is, Koreans aren't wiping the floor with foreigners. They're pulling out wins, but seeing Genius struggle at Dreamhack, and the amount of matches that go to a third game, I think there's a dynamic to the foreigner vs. Korean rivalry that's still attractive to viewers. Not every Korean is going to go 22-1 - a lot of them are not that solid. Of course Genius would struggle, he stinks at compressed tournaments. On April 27 2012 07:05 Amityville wrote: I dont think anyone is debating if GSL is harder or not. Its pretty much a fact that its harder. Thing is this guy has won nothing bro. Theres probably 20 or more foreigners better than him. He has no room to talk. So? Sound won nothing before he got second at Homestory Cup, and his lifetime record in Korea is below 33%. And Sound is not exactly special in the KR scene, there are tons of Code B players better than him. | ||
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ramask2
Thailand1024 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:01 dAPhREAk wrote: im not sure why people are ragging on him for saying that GSL is a harder tournament; there is no controversy in that statement. in the rest of the interview, he comes off as bland, but not condescending. he even compliments nerchio and says he had a lot of luck in beating the foreigners up to that point. how many people are just reading the title to this op and not the rest of the interview? Not sure why you quoted me there, but I'm not ragging on him at all. I'm just pointing out that a LAN weekend tournament has a different sets of challenges than playing online or at GOM studio. The bit about the winning personality is as you said, the bland answers. | ||
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