• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:25
CEST 21:25
KST 04:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers17Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 ASL21 General Discussion Data needed ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Pros React To: ASL S21, Ro.16 Group C
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group C Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1589 users

Monster: "Foreign tournaments 100 easier than GSL" - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 20 Next All
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
April 26 2012 20:56 GMT
#101
He sounds really cocky without results to back it up
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 20:56:32
April 26 2012 20:56 GMT
#102
On April 27 2012 05:50 fraktoasters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:42 Evangelist wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:40 Seldentar wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:33 Azarkon wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:29 ssg wrote:
I could respect this statement from a well traveled Korean (ie MC) or even a tenured GSL veteran. But Monster? LOL


The fact that a guy like Monster who isn't even Code A level in Korea can take 3rd at a 'Premier' foreign tournament ahead of a lot of mainstays of the foreign scene without even playing well demonstrates how right he is, at least about this Dreamhack which had the weakest player pool we've ever had at a Premier Event.


Turn that logic around - Naniwa, a Code S Ro8 player, didn't make it out of the group stages at Dreamhack.

Hence the interviewer challenging him with Naniwa right after.


Did not Monster explain why Naniwa didn't make it out of the group stages?

Because his weakeast matchup atm is PvZ since he hasn't been practicing it at all the last couple of months... so your logic doesn't work in reverse.

If Naniwa had been eliminated by P or T then you would've had a point, however.


Let's turn this right back around then. How can anyone be Code S "class" if one third of their potential matchups mean they die to Code B- players.

Code S means very little then. Similarly, Polt is currently in Code S, isn't he?


It's not about being bad at the match up (have we forgotten so fast how many Code S Zergs he has beaten); it's just that he was bad vZ that weekend due to lack of practice.

Polt went 0-2 in Code S ro32.


No, Naniwa's legitimately bad in the matchup compared to his peers like Hero and MC. But Naniwa is very good at preparing for a specific opponent and mindgaming them, which is why he beats Nestea and was able to beat Leenock after losing to him at MLG. However, he beat a DRG suffering from food poisoning and DRG has beaten him over the head with vastly improved ZvP ever since. And let's not forget about the losses to Hyun and Slivko and Nerchio and Zenio and Haypro and Ret, which shouldn't have happened if his PvZ was really that good.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#103
meh. not a terribly interesting interview. foreign tournaments easier than GSL? go figure.
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#104
Yeah... obviously he's being a bit of a dick without even really knowing it.
GSL is the most elite in the world - just like Korea is the most elite SC country in the world.

But 100 times easier? Like, it sounds like a common Korean colloquial saying taken a bit out of context (I'm Korean), but seriously, it's like he's saying it specifically to rile up any foreigners that might be reading the article, without the knowledge that we DO INDEED read the crap coming out of everyone's mouths.

Guy needs some PR lessons.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Xyst
Profile Joined April 2012
Turkey66 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#105
I think the underline message of that statement is "I'm Korean and I'm proud", eh well...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330806&currentpage=57#1139
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#106
On April 27 2012 05:56 Zaphid wrote:
He sounds really cocky without results to back it up

To be fair that's sort of the point. He would never get to semis of GSL.
Liquid | SKT
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4416 Posts
April 26 2012 20:59 GMT
#107
He's correct. IPL4 is the only foreign tournament that has been anywhere near code s in skill level
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 26 2012 21:00 GMT
#108
On April 27 2012 05:58 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:56 Zaphid wrote:
He sounds really cocky without results to back it up

To be fair that's sort of the point. He would never get to semis of GSL.


You don't know that. Hell, Inca got to the finals of a GSL.
inermis
Profile Joined September 2010
353 Posts
April 26 2012 21:01 GMT
#109
if foreign events are sooo easy, i wonder, why isn't he making tons of $$ on online tournaments ? saw him in a few, never seen him actually win one. he's like a small dog that barks alot through the fence but when someone actually goes through the gate he just runs to the house with the tail between his legs.
play hard go pro
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
April 26 2012 21:04 GMT
#110
On April 27 2012 06:01 inermis wrote:
if foreign events are sooo easy, i wonder, why isn't he making tons of $$ on online tournaments ? saw him in a few, never seen him actually win one. he's like a small dog that barks alot through the fence but when someone actually goes through the gate he just runs to the house with the tail between his legs.

Geez, butthurt much?
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
April 26 2012 21:04 GMT
#111
He's correct but his sample of tournaments is quite stupid, Dreamhack was organised so that the best players would come out toward the end, compared to MLG or IPL's open bracket it was extremely forgiving. Also saying "foreign tournaments" as a generality is pretty retarded, its quite obvious that an MLG or IPL with 10+ Koreans over a weekend isn't 100x easier than GSL. Guy is unfortunately neither tactful or knowledgable about what hes talking about.
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:10:35
April 26 2012 21:07 GMT
#112
On April 27 2012 06:01 inermis wrote:
if foreign events are sooo easy, i wonder, why isn't he making tons of $$ on online tournaments ? saw him in a few, never seen him actually win one. he's like a small dog that barks alot through the fence but when someone actually goes through the gate he just runs to the house with the tail between his legs.


Probably because he lives in Korea? Do you actually think before you speak?

If you actually think Dreamhack's line-up was ANYWHERE near Code S quality you're delusional. I could pluck like half of the Code S line-up and have them crush 95% of Dreamhack participants, that's just the truth. He didn't say that Dreamhack was easy, he was saying that GSL is harder... and it is.

On April 27 2012 06:04 bmml wrote:
He's correct but his sample of tournaments is quite stupid, Dreamhack was organised so that the best players would come out toward the end, compared to MLG or IPL's open bracket it was extremely forgiving. Also saying "foreign tournaments" as a generality is pretty retarded, its quite obvious that an MLG or IPL with 10+ Koreans over a weekend isn't 100x easier than GSL. Guy is unfortunately neither tactful or knowledgable about what hes talking about.


It's called hyperbole >_>. 10+ Koreans (some of which are not top tier) vs 32 of the best Koreans, GSL clearly is still harder. Not to mention you can often avoid meeting good players for quite a while if you're lucky, which just doesn't happen in GSL. He shouldn't have worded it so strongly, but he's still basically correct.

On April 27 2012 06:08 eXistenZ wrote:
The point is, if you are not winning hard foreign tournaments or doing good in GSL, that means when you are outside of it, your opinion on GSL vs X Foreign tournament has the same value as any teamliquider's opinion on the issue. (Which is still valuable but relatively valueless comparing to, say... "Squirtle's Opinion"...)

So in the end, your opinion becomes no big deal...


That logic makes no sense. He got 3rd in Dreamhack and came nowhere near 3rd in GSL. He has played against the competition from both sides and is basically 100% correct in what he says.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
Xyst
Profile Joined April 2012
Turkey66 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:25:46
April 26 2012 21:08 GMT
#113
The point is, if you are not winning hard foreign tournaments or doing good in GSL, that means when you are outside of the circle (outside by means of succession), your opinion on GSL vs X Foreign tournament has the same value as any teamliquider's opinion on the issue. (Which is still valuable but relatively valueless comparing to, say... "Squirtle's Opinion"...)

So in the end, your opinion becomes no big deal... That's why that kind of statement with nothing to back it up makes you look funny...

Because in the end we all know that, it is the fact that GSL is the hardest.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330806&currentpage=57#1139
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
April 26 2012 21:10 GMT
#114
On April 27 2012 05:12 TheBanana wrote:
I like how he lost the very next match after this interview.

I like how this has nothing to do with his interview.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 26 2012 21:10 GMT
#115
On April 27 2012 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
meh. not a terribly interesting interview. foreign tournaments easier than GSL? go figure.



yeah.. shocking.. zzz.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:13:49
April 26 2012 21:11 GMT
#116
sympathetic


I think you mean empathic/charming/friendly. its a so called 'false friend', because in german theres a very similar word ('sympathisch') that means something entirely different.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:12:27
April 26 2012 21:12 GMT
#117
Skill wise GSL is 100 times harder than dreamhack you can't argue against that.This is his first foreign event so I don't see how he can judge all foreign tournaments because a lot others are harder I think he was just referring to this tournament though.
Moderatorlickypiddy
sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
April 26 2012 21:14 GMT
#118
On April 27 2012 06:08 eXistenZ wrote:
The point is, if you are not winning hard foreign tournaments or doing good in GSL, that means when you are outside of it, your opinion on GSL vs X Foreign tournament has the same value as any teamliquider's opinion on the issue. (Which is still valuable but relatively valueless comparing to, say... "Squirtle's Opinion"...)

So in the end, your opinion becomes no big deal... That's why that kind of statement with nothing to back it up makes you look funny...

lol fuckoff, you're worth shit. atleast he's taken part in the stuff he's talking about. you instead are just running your fat mouth.

User was temp banned for this post.
reki-
Profile Joined July 2008
Netherlands327 Posts
April 26 2012 21:16 GMT
#119
Nice trollbait by monster and everyone having their knickers in a twist over it
>BD
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
April 26 2012 21:16 GMT
#120
On April 27 2012 05:58 SwizzY wrote:
Yeah... obviously he's being a bit of a dick without even really knowing it.
GSL is the most elite in the world - just like Korea is the most elite SC country in the world.

But 100 times easier? Like, it sounds like a common Korean colloquial saying taken a bit out of context (I'm Korean), but seriously, it's like he's saying it specifically to rile up any foreigners that might be reading the article, without the knowledge that we DO INDEED read the crap coming out of everyone's mouths.

Guy needs some PR lessons.

It's called a hyperbole. When someone says "that exam was 100 times harder than the previous one," do you honestly think it was actually 100 times harder?
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
17:00
#113
PiG vs DeMusliMLIVE!
Reynor vs Bunny
RotterdaM1068
IndyStarCraft 264
Liquipedia
RSL Revival
17:00
Season 5 Europe Qualifier
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1068
IndyStarCraft 264
PiGStarcraft201
ProTech97
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 5771
ggaemo 367
firebathero 170
Dewaltoss 108
Hyun 67
BRAT_OK 59
sSak 37
scan(afreeca) 35
NaDa 6
Dota 2
Gorgc6632
Counter-Strike
byalli597
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King65
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu328
Other Games
Grubby3123
singsing1446
FrodaN925
fl0m576
KnowMe298
C9.Mang0233
summit1g227
QueenE132
UpATreeSC97
ArmadaUGS96
Trikslyr69
mouzStarbuck5
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream18130
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 696
Other Games
BasetradeTV352
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 48
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 33
• FirePhoenix8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV425
Other Games
• imaqtpie932
• Scarra585
• Shiphtur267
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 35m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
15h 35m
Classic vs SHIN
MaxPax vs Percival
herO vs Clem
ByuN vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
19h 35m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
19h 35m
BSL
23h 35m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 14h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 15h
Ladder Legends
1d 19h
BSL
1d 23h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-23
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W4
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.