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Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
April 26 2012 20:56 GMT
#101
He sounds really cocky without results to back it up
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 20:56:32
April 26 2012 20:56 GMT
#102
On April 27 2012 05:50 fraktoasters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:42 Evangelist wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:40 Seldentar wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:33 Azarkon wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 27 2012 05:29 ssg wrote:
I could respect this statement from a well traveled Korean (ie MC) or even a tenured GSL veteran. But Monster? LOL


The fact that a guy like Monster who isn't even Code A level in Korea can take 3rd at a 'Premier' foreign tournament ahead of a lot of mainstays of the foreign scene without even playing well demonstrates how right he is, at least about this Dreamhack which had the weakest player pool we've ever had at a Premier Event.


Turn that logic around - Naniwa, a Code S Ro8 player, didn't make it out of the group stages at Dreamhack.

Hence the interviewer challenging him with Naniwa right after.


Did not Monster explain why Naniwa didn't make it out of the group stages?

Because his weakeast matchup atm is PvZ since he hasn't been practicing it at all the last couple of months... so your logic doesn't work in reverse.

If Naniwa had been eliminated by P or T then you would've had a point, however.


Let's turn this right back around then. How can anyone be Code S "class" if one third of their potential matchups mean they die to Code B- players.

Code S means very little then. Similarly, Polt is currently in Code S, isn't he?


It's not about being bad at the match up (have we forgotten so fast how many Code S Zergs he has beaten); it's just that he was bad vZ that weekend due to lack of practice.

Polt went 0-2 in Code S ro32.


No, Naniwa's legitimately bad in the matchup compared to his peers like Hero and MC. But Naniwa is very good at preparing for a specific opponent and mindgaming them, which is why he beats Nestea and was able to beat Leenock after losing to him at MLG. However, he beat a DRG suffering from food poisoning and DRG has beaten him over the head with vastly improved ZvP ever since. And let's not forget about the losses to Hyun and Slivko and Nerchio and Zenio and Haypro and Ret, which shouldn't have happened if his PvZ was really that good.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#103
meh. not a terribly interesting interview. foreign tournaments easier than GSL? go figure.
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#104
Yeah... obviously he's being a bit of a dick without even really knowing it.
GSL is the most elite in the world - just like Korea is the most elite SC country in the world.

But 100 times easier? Like, it sounds like a common Korean colloquial saying taken a bit out of context (I'm Korean), but seriously, it's like he's saying it specifically to rile up any foreigners that might be reading the article, without the knowledge that we DO INDEED read the crap coming out of everyone's mouths.

Guy needs some PR lessons.
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Xyst
Profile Joined April 2012
Turkey66 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#105
I think the underline message of that statement is "I'm Korean and I'm proud", eh well...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330806&currentpage=57#1139
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
April 26 2012 20:58 GMT
#106
On April 27 2012 05:56 Zaphid wrote:
He sounds really cocky without results to back it up

To be fair that's sort of the point. He would never get to semis of GSL.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
April 26 2012 20:59 GMT
#107
He's correct. IPL4 is the only foreign tournament that has been anywhere near code s in skill level
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 26 2012 21:00 GMT
#108
On April 27 2012 05:58 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 05:56 Zaphid wrote:
He sounds really cocky without results to back it up

To be fair that's sort of the point. He would never get to semis of GSL.


You don't know that. Hell, Inca got to the finals of a GSL.
inermis
Profile Joined September 2010
353 Posts
April 26 2012 21:01 GMT
#109
if foreign events are sooo easy, i wonder, why isn't he making tons of $$ on online tournaments ? saw him in a few, never seen him actually win one. he's like a small dog that barks alot through the fence but when someone actually goes through the gate he just runs to the house with the tail between his legs.
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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
April 26 2012 21:04 GMT
#110
On April 27 2012 06:01 inermis wrote:
if foreign events are sooo easy, i wonder, why isn't he making tons of $$ on online tournaments ? saw him in a few, never seen him actually win one. he's like a small dog that barks alot through the fence but when someone actually goes through the gate he just runs to the house with the tail between his legs.

Geez, butthurt much?
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
April 26 2012 21:04 GMT
#111
He's correct but his sample of tournaments is quite stupid, Dreamhack was organised so that the best players would come out toward the end, compared to MLG or IPL's open bracket it was extremely forgiving. Also saying "foreign tournaments" as a generality is pretty retarded, its quite obvious that an MLG or IPL with 10+ Koreans over a weekend isn't 100x easier than GSL. Guy is unfortunately neither tactful or knowledgable about what hes talking about.
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:10:35
April 26 2012 21:07 GMT
#112
On April 27 2012 06:01 inermis wrote:
if foreign events are sooo easy, i wonder, why isn't he making tons of $$ on online tournaments ? saw him in a few, never seen him actually win one. he's like a small dog that barks alot through the fence but when someone actually goes through the gate he just runs to the house with the tail between his legs.


Probably because he lives in Korea? Do you actually think before you speak?

If you actually think Dreamhack's line-up was ANYWHERE near Code S quality you're delusional. I could pluck like half of the Code S line-up and have them crush 95% of Dreamhack participants, that's just the truth. He didn't say that Dreamhack was easy, he was saying that GSL is harder... and it is.

On April 27 2012 06:04 bmml wrote:
He's correct but his sample of tournaments is quite stupid, Dreamhack was organised so that the best players would come out toward the end, compared to MLG or IPL's open bracket it was extremely forgiving. Also saying "foreign tournaments" as a generality is pretty retarded, its quite obvious that an MLG or IPL with 10+ Koreans over a weekend isn't 100x easier than GSL. Guy is unfortunately neither tactful or knowledgable about what hes talking about.


It's called hyperbole >_>. 10+ Koreans (some of which are not top tier) vs 32 of the best Koreans, GSL clearly is still harder. Not to mention you can often avoid meeting good players for quite a while if you're lucky, which just doesn't happen in GSL. He shouldn't have worded it so strongly, but he's still basically correct.

On April 27 2012 06:08 eXistenZ wrote:
The point is, if you are not winning hard foreign tournaments or doing good in GSL, that means when you are outside of it, your opinion on GSL vs X Foreign tournament has the same value as any teamliquider's opinion on the issue. (Which is still valuable but relatively valueless comparing to, say... "Squirtle's Opinion"...)

So in the end, your opinion becomes no big deal...


That logic makes no sense. He got 3rd in Dreamhack and came nowhere near 3rd in GSL. He has played against the competition from both sides and is basically 100% correct in what he says.
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Xyst
Profile Joined April 2012
Turkey66 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:25:46
April 26 2012 21:08 GMT
#113
The point is, if you are not winning hard foreign tournaments or doing good in GSL, that means when you are outside of the circle (outside by means of succession), your opinion on GSL vs X Foreign tournament has the same value as any teamliquider's opinion on the issue. (Which is still valuable but relatively valueless comparing to, say... "Squirtle's Opinion"...)

So in the end, your opinion becomes no big deal... That's why that kind of statement with nothing to back it up makes you look funny...

Because in the end we all know that, it is the fact that GSL is the hardest.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330806&currentpage=57#1139
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
April 26 2012 21:10 GMT
#114
On April 27 2012 05:12 TheBanana wrote:
I like how he lost the very next match after this interview.

I like how this has nothing to do with his interview.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 26 2012 21:10 GMT
#115
On April 27 2012 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:
meh. not a terribly interesting interview. foreign tournaments easier than GSL? go figure.



yeah.. shocking.. zzz.
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Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:13:49
April 26 2012 21:11 GMT
#116
sympathetic


I think you mean empathic/charming/friendly. its a so called 'false friend', because in german theres a very similar word ('sympathisch') that means something entirely different.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:12:27
April 26 2012 21:12 GMT
#117
Skill wise GSL is 100 times harder than dreamhack you can't argue against that.This is his first foreign event so I don't see how he can judge all foreign tournaments because a lot others are harder I think he was just referring to this tournament though.
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sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
April 26 2012 21:14 GMT
#118
On April 27 2012 06:08 eXistenZ wrote:
The point is, if you are not winning hard foreign tournaments or doing good in GSL, that means when you are outside of it, your opinion on GSL vs X Foreign tournament has the same value as any teamliquider's opinion on the issue. (Which is still valuable but relatively valueless comparing to, say... "Squirtle's Opinion"...)

So in the end, your opinion becomes no big deal... That's why that kind of statement with nothing to back it up makes you look funny...

lol fuckoff, you're worth shit. atleast he's taken part in the stuff he's talking about. you instead are just running your fat mouth.

User was temp banned for this post.
reki-
Profile Joined July 2008
Netherlands327 Posts
April 26 2012 21:16 GMT
#119
Nice trollbait by monster and everyone having their knickers in a twist over it
>BD
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
April 26 2012 21:16 GMT
#120
On April 27 2012 05:58 SwizzY wrote:
Yeah... obviously he's being a bit of a dick without even really knowing it.
GSL is the most elite in the world - just like Korea is the most elite SC country in the world.

But 100 times easier? Like, it sounds like a common Korean colloquial saying taken a bit out of context (I'm Korean), but seriously, it's like he's saying it specifically to rile up any foreigners that might be reading the article, without the knowledge that we DO INDEED read the crap coming out of everyone's mouths.

Guy needs some PR lessons.

It's called a hyperbole. When someone says "that exam was 100 times harder than the previous one," do you honestly think it was actually 100 times harder?
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