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Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
April 27 2012 04:44 GMT
#281
Lol Cool story Monster. Tell me how you lost to ThorZaIN again.
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sdecker32
Profile Joined April 2011
United States38 Posts
April 27 2012 04:47 GMT
#282
If anything you foreign fanboys should be thankful that he said Naniwa failed because of his PvZ. He didn't say that Naniwa is not a true code s player, nor did he say that Naniwa is overrated or just not good enough to advance. He said that Naniwa has poor PvZ and implied that any other matchup would have seen Naniwa advancing. That's actually not BM at all.


Thankful? It is what it is. If someone gets to CodeS round of 8 by dominating the competition(9-1 in his groups i believe) there is not much to talk about. Saying that he is not a "true" code S player is a bit stupid(unless you mean the seeding by GOMTV, which is neither here nor there).
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
April 27 2012 04:53 GMT
#283
On April 27 2012 13:47 sdecker32 wrote:
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If anything you foreign fanboys should be thankful that he said Naniwa failed because of his PvZ. He didn't say that Naniwa is not a true code s player, nor did he say that Naniwa is overrated or just not good enough to advance. He said that Naniwa has poor PvZ and implied that any other matchup would have seen Naniwa advancing. That's actually not BM at all.


Thankful? It is what it is. If someone gets to CodeS round of 8 by dominating the competition(9-1 in his groups i believe) there is not much to talk about. Saying that he is not a "true" code S player is a bit stupid(unless you mean the seeding by GOMTV, which is neither here nor there).


You misunderstood. I'm not saying that those things are true about Naniwa. I'm saying that if Monster actually wanted to BM Naniwa, there are many ways he could have done it. If monster actually thought Naniwa wasn't code s quality, he would have said so. Instead he said that the reason Naniwa lost is because it is his worst MU, and any other race he probably would have advanced.

And yet Naniwa fans are saying that is disrespectful.
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 05:14:22
April 27 2012 05:12 GMT
#284
He went 2-1 against the champ of Dreamhack. A moment of missed concentration would've won him the tournament. There's no way Polt could've stood a chance against him.


Ok not sure if trolling. Have you actually watched any of Monsters games ? Polt is def top tier imo, which Monster looked light years away from. Polt beat Squirtle at IPL, if I remember correctly and had Alive at the verge of losing. I had the stream muted, but he was ahead 170vs130 supply 4vs3bases in game 3 in the losers bracket.
I think you dont know what you are talking about.
Polt was also 3:0, 3:0, 3:1 vs Thorzain before that finals.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 27 2012 05:19 GMT
#285
To all of the butthurt foreigner fanboys that couldn't stand someone told the truth,

Go back a few pages and read Morrow's comment.
PaNiCterrran
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden47 Posts
April 27 2012 05:40 GMT
#286
On April 27 2012 13:53 zefreak wrote:
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On April 27 2012 13:47 sdecker32 wrote:
If anything you foreign fanboys should be thankful that he said Naniwa failed because of his PvZ. He didn't say that Naniwa is not a true code s player, nor did he say that Naniwa is overrated or just not good enough to advance. He said that Naniwa has poor PvZ and implied that any other matchup would have seen Naniwa advancing. That's actually not BM at all.


Thankful? It is what it is. If someone gets to CodeS round of 8 by dominating the competition(9-1 in his groups i believe) there is not much to talk about. Saying that he is not a "true" code S player is a bit stupid(unless you mean the seeding by GOMTV, which is neither here nor there).


You misunderstood. I'm not saying that those things are true about Naniwa. I'm saying that if Monster actually wanted to BM Naniwa, there are many ways he could have done it. If monster actually thought Naniwa wasn't code s quality, he would have said so. Instead he said that the reason Naniwa lost is because it is his worst MU, and any other race he probably would have advanced.

And yet Naniwa fans are saying that is disrespectful.

Why would he BM Naniwa with something as absurd as saying he's not code s class. He has been wrecking people left and right. And I also believe that Naniwa's PvZ isn't too bad either. Here's why:
He has practiced PvP/T almost exclusively.
There was still a possibility he would face a zerg in RO8 and therefore he might not have wanted to reveal his strategies.
Artosis & Incontrol (I believe it was them) who were casting his games even stated in his games vs Hyun that Naniwa played sloppy and improvised and also came to the conclusion that he wanted his strategies to remain a secret for code s.
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Haze.884
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand192 Posts
April 27 2012 05:48 GMT
#287
100 times... its a fucking exaggeration. stop hyping over it.
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Blennd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
April 27 2012 06:08 GMT
#288
On April 27 2012 14:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:
To all of the butthurt foreigner fanboys that couldn't stand someone told the truth,

Go back a few pages and read Morrow's comment.


And what exactly makes Monster such an expert on foreign tournaments, rather than say, taeja, who said IPL4 was as hard as code s? Monster has been to exactly one foreign tournament, which was by far the easiest foreign tournament field in recent memory. Saying Koreans are far superior to foreigners is indisputably correct, saying the GSL is 100x harder than "foreign tournaments" is just ignorant. Not all foreign tournaments are created equal.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
April 27 2012 06:08 GMT
#289
On April 27 2012 07:00 MorroW wrote:
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On April 27 2012 06:48 Amityville wrote:
im from korea, korea we have gsl, gsl 100x times better skill than awful foreigners. All this coming from a guy that has won nothing. What a complete clown this guy is.

while it might seem abit off or weird that a somewhat unaccomplished player goes out to say something like this, from personal experience i have to agree with him

when i played up and down i went 1-3 in my group, then 0-2 in the code a and the time i was in korea before then was gsl world invitational where i lost all my games aswell (i think it was 0-1 in the "clanwar" and 0-2 in the bracket).

from watching gsl on a daily basis its really insane how much they are improving all the time and how literally everyone is sick good. our known champions falling to code a or even code b left and right and constant rotation on whos considered among the top just goes to show the amount of very good players they have

i got to top16 at dreamhack without preparing for my opponents or even practicing the new dreamhack maps, its not a good result but still. to come top16 to code S is a sick achievement and it is wayyy wayyyyyyyy harder.
i prepared vs maruprime and studied his style closely the best i could, and practiced vs only terran about 3 weeks prior to my match. then when i had to play against him i lost 0-2 got my face absolutely stomped. you can take huk and naniwa as example too, who lost miserably the first period aswell, only after a few months were they able to step up their game enough while prior to that were strong enough to be favorites of foreigner events

so ye just from my own personal experience and my outlooks as a spectator watching mlg, dreamhack and gsl i think gsl is about 100 times harder lol.

trust me there are so many good players you have never even seen in gsl that are trying each month to qualify, players who practice just as much as the ones in code S and are almost as good


People. Stop being drama queens. Listen to what someone who has had experience in this exact field.

You're all fucking making a big deal out of absolutely nothing. Someone who has experience in the exact situation said it's the truth about gsl being 100x harder. Monster bm'd? Where? He just said NaNiwa has a weak PvZ that's why he was eliminated. Christ you ladies are just fucking pathetic; wanting to cut someones throat because you don't have enough drama this week.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 06:17:57
April 27 2012 06:16 GMT
#290
There was still a possibility he would face a zerg in RO8 and therefore he might not have wanted to reveal his strategies.
Artosis & Incontrol (I believe it was them) who were casting his games even stated in his games vs Hyun that Naniwa played sloppy and improvised and also came to the conclusion that he wanted his strategies to remain a secret for code s.


Both zergs were already knocked out of Code S when dreamhack was played. I think Artosis & InControl was referring to zergs in the rest of the tournaments. Since they were both likely to make it through, they felt Nani wanted to save some strats for the later group stages/final brackets.


Also, I think if a foreigner said GSL was much harder, no one would pay attention to it. People just offended because a Korean said it.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
April 27 2012 06:16 GMT
#291
Isn't this Monster's first foreign tournament? Of course that Dreamhack Open was relatively easy. The level of difficulty rises with the number of Koreans playing. If he had went to MLG or IPL, he most likely would have said differently.
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Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
April 27 2012 06:22 GMT
#292
On April 27 2012 15:08 Blennd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 14:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:
To all of the butthurt foreigner fanboys that couldn't stand someone told the truth,

Go back a few pages and read Morrow's comment.


And what exactly makes Monster such an expert on foreign tournaments, rather than say, taeja, who said IPL4 was as hard as code s? Monster has been to exactly one foreign tournament, which was by far the easiest foreign tournament field in recent memory. Saying Koreans are far superior to foreigners is indisputably correct, saying the GSL is 100x harder than "foreign tournaments" is just ignorant. Not all foreign tournaments are created equal.


Because IPL 4 had the most Code S koreans, alot of Code A/B Koreans... oh yea RO16 was 15/16 korean.. so....
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
April 27 2012 06:28 GMT
#293
On April 27 2012 15:22 Flowjo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 15:08 Blennd wrote:
On April 27 2012 14:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:
To all of the butthurt foreigner fanboys that couldn't stand someone told the truth,

Go back a few pages and read Morrow's comment.


And what exactly makes Monster such an expert on foreign tournaments, rather than say, taeja, who said IPL4 was as hard as code s? Monster has been to exactly one foreign tournament, which was by far the easiest foreign tournament field in recent memory. Saying Koreans are far superior to foreigners is indisputably correct, saying the GSL is 100x harder than "foreign tournaments" is just ignorant. Not all foreign tournaments are created equal.


Because IPL 4 had the most Code S koreans, alot of Code A/B Koreans... oh yea RO16 was 15/16 korean.. so....


Great, now people are just going to bring up IPL4, which is the most korean stacked foreign tournament ever, to try and wash away the countless ez foreign tournaments that came before it.
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epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
April 27 2012 06:33 GMT
#294
100x? Could be 1000x.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
April 27 2012 06:34 GMT
#295
The fact that tournament difficulty is rated based on the number of GSL quality Koreans attending should be more than enough to solidify what Monster says. Stop taking his hyperbole so seriously.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 27 2012 06:54 GMT
#296
On April 27 2012 15:34 SupLilSon wrote:
The fact that tournament difficulty is rated based on the number of GSL quality Koreans attending should be more than enough to solidify what Monster says. Stop taking his hyperbole so seriously.


This, jeeez people he didn´t insult anyone let go and let the truth sink in
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Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
April 27 2012 07:02 GMT
#297
i lost to 2 zergs and i won against genius, i havent played PvZ in over a month at all so thats obviously the reason i lost. My main objective was to do my very best in gsl and that required me to sacrifise one matchup that i didnt need then. Obviously if i get zerg the next season ill prepare alot for it. My pvz just wasnt good enough without practising. thats all. i agree with monster saying it. ill try better next time to prepare against zerg.. I just didnt care that much about dreamhack in comparision to GSL because the mappool was garbage so i knew i didnt have any time to prepare for it.. ( I played my Ro16 group ONE day before i left for dreamhack )
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Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
April 27 2012 07:15 GMT
#298
On April 27 2012 15:28 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 15:22 Flowjo wrote:
On April 27 2012 15:08 Blennd wrote:
On April 27 2012 14:19 chosenkerrigan wrote:
To all of the butthurt foreigner fanboys that couldn't stand someone told the truth,

Go back a few pages and read Morrow's comment.


And what exactly makes Monster such an expert on foreign tournaments, rather than say, taeja, who said IPL4 was as hard as code s? Monster has been to exactly one foreign tournament, which was by far the easiest foreign tournament field in recent memory. Saying Koreans are far superior to foreigners is indisputably correct, saying the GSL is 100x harder than "foreign tournaments" is just ignorant. Not all foreign tournaments are created equal.


Because IPL 4 had the most Code S koreans, alot of Code A/B Koreans... oh yea RO16 was 15/16 korean.. so....


Great, now people are just going to bring up IPL4, which is the most korean stacked foreign tournament ever, to try and wash away the countless ez foreign tournaments that came before it.


Sorry. My bad I didn't make it clear. I meant that IPL4 was more of a Korean tournament rather a Foreign one.
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
April 27 2012 08:41 GMT
#299
MLG is a lot different to other foriegn tournaments, hes probably right in the facts of dreamhack etc, while you get the creme of europe in them, in MLG you have SO MANY koreans and the koreans are so much more consistent. It why the majority of time in other tournaments you have so many koreans getting to later stages and normally going 1,2,3,4 too..
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CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
April 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#300
If all Code B, Code A and Code S travels to major tournaments from the open brackets - I wouldn't be surprised to see 8 Koreans in RO8 even in MLG, IPL etc. I just won't be surprised at all.
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