Monster: "Foreign tournaments 100 easier than GSL" - Page 11

On April 27 2012 08:37 Azarkon wrote:


Player A wiping the floor with Player B says to me that Player A is so ahead of Player B that the game is a joke. That's never been my impression of foreigner vs. Korean matches in SC 2. Upsets happen, foreigners take games, and the top foreigners take several matches in a row. Going back to IPL, which had a stacked Korean line-up, HuK, Scarlett, Illusion, SaSe, Ret, and of course Stephano were all able to fight their way through Code A and Code S Koreans. That's not a list of the best foreigners in the world - that list gets a lot longer.

IdrA vs. Korean Protoss is not the state of the scene. Dimaga played a great match vs. HerO in NASL. Ret beat JYP in EGMC. Nerchio and Stephano have taken games off of Nestea, while Haypro and Demuslim have taken a series. Thorzain is returning to form with a 3-1 win vs. Polt and Violet, and with Lucifron coming back to SC 2 that's another foreigner Terran with the ability to upset the best. Underrated foreigners are upsetting Korean pros in each tournament, and that is what gives the scene its vibrancy.

I am a doom and gloomer when it comes to foreigner SC 2, but cheering for foreigners in SC 2, I've never felt that foreigner players are completely outclassed. Yeah, they're rough on the edges, and they go full foreigner at the worst times, but I've never felt that they have no shot at victory. The phrase full foreigner is an example of this - to full foreigner a match, you have to be ahead in the first place.

On April 27 2012 08:17 sc14s wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/leagues/2027_MLG_Orlando_2011 ..? Huk won an mlg too as well as http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/leagues/2026_IPL_Season_3 stephano won ipl3 .. both had a decent amount of koreans

not that i will disagree that koreans are becoming more obviously dominant.. but you are selling foreigners a little short

personally i think that alot of the startup pro teams and more iffy teams will fall by the wayside as the foreign scene is a little inflated with teams / tournaments / pro+semi pro players and after it collapses in a little it will be better for having 4-5 strong teams that may not be on the level of say skt1 but wont be terribad.

on a random sidenote dragonforce : soldiers of the wasteland just came on pandora \m/

On April 27 2012 08:37 Azarkon wrote:


Player A wiping the floor with Player B says to me that Player A is so ahead of Player B that the game is a joke. That's never been my impression of foreigner vs. Korean matches in SC 2. Upsets happen, foreigners take games, and the top foreigners take several matches in a row. Going back to IPL, which had a stacked Korean line-up, HuK, Scarlett, Illusion, SaSe, Ret, and of course Stephano were all able to fight their way through Code A and Code S Koreans. That's not a list of the best foreigners in the world - that list gets a lot longer.

IdrA vs. Korean Protoss is not the state of the scene. Dimaga played a great match vs. HerO in NASL. Ret beat JYP in EGMC. Nerchio and Stephano have taken games off of Nestea, while Haypro and Demuslim have taken a series. Thorzain is returning to form with a 3-1 win vs. Polt and Violet, and with Lucifron coming back to SC 2 that's another foreigner Terran with the ability to upset the best. Underrated foreigners are upsetting Korean pros in each tournament, and that is what gives the scene its vibrancy.

I am a doom and gloomer when it comes to foreigner SC 2, but cheering for foreigners in SC 2, I've never felt that foreigner players are completely outclassed. Yeah, they're rough on the edges, and they go full foreigner at the worst times, but I've never felt that they have no shot at victory. The phrase full foreigner is an example of this - to full foreigner a match, you have to be ahead in the first place.

On April 27 2012 08:45 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:


We're just debating semantics now. My definition of wiping the floor is Koreans taking home the overwhelming majority of the money, yours is Koreans seriel bum raping foreigners with no lube for a weekend before flying back to Korea.

On April 27 2012 08:48 LaM wrote:
Pretty cocky for a nobody who played at an event with only a few top foreigners, including a guy who beat the shit out of him (Thorzain).

On April 27 2012 07:00 MorroW wrote:

while it might seem abit off or weird that a somewhat unaccomplished player goes out to say something like this, from personal experience i have to agree with him

when i played up and down i went 1-3 in my group, then 0-2 in the code a and the time i was in korea before then was gsl world invitational where i lost all my games aswell (i think it was 0-1 in the "clanwar" and 0-2 in the bracket).

from watching gsl on a daily basis its really insane how much they are improving all the time and how literally everyone is sick good. our known champions falling to code a or even code b left and right and constant rotation on whos considered among the top just goes to show the amount of very good players they have

i got to top16 at dreamhack without preparing for my opponents or even practicing the new dreamhack maps, its not a good result but still. to come top16 to code S is a sick achievement and it is wayyy wayyyyyyyy harder.
i prepared vs maruprime and studied his style closely the best i could, and practiced vs only terran about 3 weeks prior to my match. then when i had to play against him i lost 0-2 got my face absolutely stomped. you can take huk and naniwa as example too, who lost miserably the first period aswell, only after a few months were they able to step up their game enough while prior to that were strong enough to be favorites of foreigner events

so ye just from my own personal experience and my outlooks as a spectator watching mlg, dreamhack and gsl i think gsl is about 100 times harder lol.

trust me there are so many good players you have never even seen in gsl that are trying each month to qualify, players who practice just as much as the ones in code S and are almost as good

On April 27 2012 09:31 lisward wrote:
His opinions would hold more weight if he were a better player, he's just outright offensive, regarding Nani.