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Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
April 27 2012 00:48 GMT
#221
So I guess this is the thread where we take someone's (not entirely false) statements, which have been translated and possibly misinterpreted, and totally freak out about them.
key0sama
Profile Joined July 2011
China2 Posts
April 27 2012 00:48 GMT
#222
why is every1 getting so butt hurt over this? its true that gsl is a whole lot harder than foreign touraments, Dont be so delusional.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
April 27 2012 00:50 GMT
#223
On April 27 2012 09:48 Severian wrote:
So I guess this is the thread where we take someone's (not entirely false) statements, which have been translated and possibly misinterpreted, and totally freak out about them.


As you can tell people are getting personally offended due to their emotional connections to the foreign scene.
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Garth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 00:51:12
April 27 2012 00:50 GMT
#224
Everyone here is acting like a bunch of pussies.

The fact that he's sucked in GSL and gets to final 4 in his first foreign tournament doesn't descredit him, it only proves his point.

Naniwa hasn't been practicing pvz for like a month, means his pvz is weak. His STATS even confirm this. Stats + logic = truth.

Third, we've seen all of our best foreigners that have tried in the gsl get shit on at least once, harder than they would have lsot than if they were at a foreign tournament.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 27 2012 01:03 GMT
#225
Monster seems like kind of a dick :/

Also considering that only 3-4 koreans were actually in the tournament... ofc it was easier. He wouldn't have said that had he gone to MLG arena. (although I do admit GSL is certainly harder than even MLG, in some cases)
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Killerkrack
Profile Joined August 2010
664 Posts
April 27 2012 01:03 GMT
#226
On April 27 2012 09:50 Garth wrote:
Everyone here is acting like a bunch of pussies.

The fact that he's sucked in GSL and gets to final 4 in his first foreign tournament doesn't descredit him, it only proves his point.

Naniwa hasn't been practicing pvz for like a month, means his pvz is weak. His STATS even confirm this. Stats + logic = truth.

Third, we've seen all of our best foreigners that have tried in the gsl get shit on at least once, harder than they would have lsot than if they were at a foreign tournament.

By the same token, for him to judge all foreign tournaments based off of what is by far the weakest major foreign tournament this year is preposterous.
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
April 27 2012 01:05 GMT
#227
Let's see... foreign tournaments usually have mostly foreigners.
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Koreans are (generally) better than foreigners at SC2...
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Koreans find foreigner events easy... whoa! the logic!

Seems like redundant news, do we really care Monster confirms this? IMO, seems like something useless to bring up, everyone who isn't in denial knows this, and its just going to cause problems talking about something most of us know is fact.

They should just be happy we're paying them to kick our asses for Entertainment, where is the praise for that? I'd rather them be honest, lol.
"He catches him with his pants down, backs him off into a corner, and then it's over." - Khaldor
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
April 27 2012 01:09 GMT
#228
i try :

Monster has 100x less skill than code s players

Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
April 27 2012 01:10 GMT
#229
why are ppl crying tears over this

gsl is the toughest tournament that is obvious. there's a reason koreans in gsl can come over to foreign tournaments and dominate.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:16:20
April 27 2012 01:14 GMT
#230
Time to use logic guys. International tournament difficult comes down to how many Koreans are present--the fewer the Koreans the less difficult it is. GSL is comprised of ONLY Koreans (save Naniwa this season) making it far more difficult. This is common sense that everyone should realize if you didn't actually take what Monster said as an insult.

That this is coming from an unaccomplished player doesn't make this any less true.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 01:23:09
April 27 2012 01:21 GMT
#231
On April 27 2012 09:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 09:31 lisward wrote:
His opinions would hold more weight if he were a better player, he's just outright offensive, regarding Nani.

shame on him for telling the truth. Naniwa's PvZ is his worst matchup by far.

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vT: 174-89 (66.16%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L W L L L L W W W | View Games
vZ: 109-80 (57.67%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W L L W W L L L L | View Games
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Of course, the reason why Naniwa is in Code S has nothing to do with player skill and everything to do with race.
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
April 27 2012 01:21 GMT
#232
gsl is the toughest tournament that is obvious. there's a reason koreans in gsl can come over to foreign tournaments and dominate.


The problem is he is just downplaying foreigner tournys in general. Throw this guy in the open bracket of ipl4 and see how weak the foreigner tournament really are.
bustanut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States76 Posts
April 27 2012 01:25 GMT
#233
monsters a smart guy
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
April 27 2012 01:33 GMT
#234
On April 27 2012 10:21 Kenpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
gsl is the toughest tournament that is obvious. there's a reason koreans in gsl can come over to foreign tournaments and dominate.


The problem is he is just downplaying foreigner tournys in general. Throw this guy in the open bracket of ipl4 and see how weak the foreigner tournament really are.


yea, he'd probably lose to a player in Code S...

what's your point lol.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
April 27 2012 01:34 GMT
#235
I don't see anything that he said that isn't true.. Why are people complaining?

GSL is harder than foreign tournaments. He didn't say anything about his own skill level. People are responding irrationally just because they follow the foreign scene so hard. Even Thorzain said that he was expecting more good players in the tournament, check his interview.
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
April 27 2012 01:39 GMT
#236
yea, he'd probably lose to a player in Code S...

what's your point lol.


my point is that gsl is not 100x harder that a foreigner tournament. Read the thread name pls.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
April 27 2012 01:44 GMT
#237
my point is that gsl is not 100x harder that a foreigner tournament. Read the thread name pls.


Heh, it is kind of obvious that 100x is a hyperbole...
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 27 2012 01:45 GMT
#238
i think GSL is more hard becuase of how much time between matchs that your next opponent can look up and watch pretty much every vod of you ever and come up with the perfect build that is the exact counter to your standard play more then the level of competition is 100 times harder
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 27 2012 01:46 GMT
#239
On April 27 2012 10:39 Kenpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
yea, he'd probably lose to a player in Code S...

what's your point lol.


my point is that gsl is not 100x harder that a foreigner tournament. Read the thread name pls.

100x is just a random number, how hard is it to understand that he meant GSL is much much harder than foreign tournament (Dreamhack in particular) ?

Also, there is a reason why Korean b-teamers want to go to foreign teams.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
April 27 2012 01:49 GMT
#240
GSL is run so differently from other tournaments that they aren't even comparable.
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