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boxman22
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada430 Posts
April 25 2012 11:51 GMT
#261
One of the reasons I enjoy it is it gives me more motivation to practice. By playing people much higher or lower than you it gives you more chance to prove yourself and move up. While I haven't yet, it has pushed me closer to spending an entire day playing against AI with 3 builds till I have them down perfectly (probably day9 style, doing so while moving a probe around the center the entire game). Then maybe I'll move up from #1 in plat into diamond -_-

My only gripe is that they don't tell us our actual mmr...
Poisonblack
Profile Joined May 2011
452 Posts
April 25 2012 11:55 GMT
#262
Disregarding the fact that you can't even gauge your progress now, i used to like the fact that every ladder game was competitive and could go either way.. it was just so fun to face equally skilled opponents and go toe to toe against them on a regular basis.

not sure how much time i'm gonna spend laddering after this change, can't see the point as getting practice partners is now by far better not only for practice but for closer, and thus more fun games as well!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 25 2012 11:59 GMT
#263
On April 25 2012 18:18 Odal wrote:
guys it's cool ladder totally works

1st game vs GM: http://sc2ranks.com/us/310525/SinFeo

http://i.imgur.com/IPjDl.jpg

2nd game vs diamond: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2677659/Protech

http://i.imgur.com/z2ipS.jpg


Played in that order.

my account for reference: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2661006/Glurkenspurk

To be fair, protech is now a top8 masters player so..
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 25 2012 12:05 GMT
#264
On April 25 2012 20:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 18:18 Odal wrote:
guys it's cool ladder totally works

1st game vs GM: http://sc2ranks.com/us/310525/SinFeo

http://i.imgur.com/IPjDl.jpg

2nd game vs diamond: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2677659/Protech

http://i.imgur.com/z2ipS.jpg


Played in that order.

my account for reference: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2661006/Glurkenspurk

To be fair, protech is now a top8 masters player so..


which is like 10time more skilled than any high diamond...
Zest fanboy.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
April 25 2012 12:36 GMT
#265
:/

I really did not like the variability of playing my games. Even matches were a friggin' godsend. I don't mind waitign slightly longer

Low Masters here (I think? I dunno. I've been playing diamonds and top 10 masters everywhere lolol)
[RS]Fuchs
Profile Joined April 2011
76 Posts
April 25 2012 12:57 GMT
#266
Well, i played 10-15 games today and i have to say this not a very good thing (at least for me). I'm a mid-high ranked (ladderwise) silver player trying to random into gold. So i face the usual mid high gold and silver players which gives me a +/- 60%-70% winrate. Today i faced like 5+ Plat players which of course kicked my ass. The last one was a top 8 ranked plat player. I mean wtf am i supposed to do? I can beat high gold players >50% of the time and my silver leaguers as well but there is this skill gap which makes it nearly impossible for me to win these games.

After my games today i had a winrate of 40% and i'm quite unhappy with this change. I suppose it's not that big of an issue for the like plat+ players because they have a chance to win against a masters player. But i personaly think that there is no way a semi good silver player or mid-low gold player can beat a top 8 ranked plat or diamond player. If they manage to beat them (in like one of 10-20 games) the other player messed up terribly and nothing is won experiencewise for the lower players. In my opinion nobody is able to learn anyting from these games and it makes it way harder to get into a higher league.

Overall it makes the game on my lvl just quite frustrating *sigh*
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
April 25 2012 13:36 GMT
#267
On April 25 2012 20:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 18:18 Odal wrote:
guys it's cool ladder totally works

1st game vs GM: http://sc2ranks.com/us/310525/SinFeo

http://i.imgur.com/IPjDl.jpg

2nd game vs diamond: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2677659/Protech

http://i.imgur.com/z2ipS.jpg


Played in that order.

my account for reference: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2661006/Glurkenspurk

To be fair, protech is now a top8 masters player so..


different protech. This guy just cannon rushed and called me a faggot. I don't think it's the same one.
CarlosOmse
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany507 Posts
April 25 2012 14:11 GMT
#268
On April 24 2012 11:14 CajunMan wrote:
So what is the Highest and Lowest? I am top 8 masters in my division and still getting diamonds yay I am favored they cheese me and I love 30 points to some scrub love this game. <-- is raging really hard right now.



So GM's and Bronzers only play even games and for the rest its pretty much mixed up or how can i understand this?
a book is like a mirror if a monkey looks into it no philosopher will look back
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3678 Posts
April 25 2012 14:16 GMT
#269
I didn't really get to play this season until today and I have to say this is god awful. If it would be only a few ranks I'd be fine with it. Like lets say you are high in your league and you get an occasional mid guy. But as it is it is totally terrible. I wish they would just make this shit optional. Like a lot of games have similiar feature where it allows you to only matchup against people that are very close/not close to your skill or only people from your region for people with a shitty connection etc. pp.

Instead they force it upon us and ruin the only thing that was actually good about battle.net 02. : it (was) really good at matching you against people that are exactly as good as you are.
Name Lips
Profile Joined April 2012
United States7 Posts
April 25 2012 14:27 GMT
#270
I'm high silver. Just got matched against a plat, who was "favored" and slaughtered me fairly easily. Then a bronze, against whom I was "slightly favored" who I slaughtered fairly easily.

I don't mind golds... but plats seems a bit excessive for my (low) skill level...
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 25 2012 14:28 GMT
#271
On April 25 2012 22:36 Odal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:59 Plexa wrote:
On April 25 2012 18:18 Odal wrote:
guys it's cool ladder totally works

1st game vs GM: http://sc2ranks.com/us/310525/SinFeo

http://i.imgur.com/IPjDl.jpg

2nd game vs diamond: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2677659/Protech

http://i.imgur.com/z2ipS.jpg


Played in that order.

my account for reference: http://sc2ranks.com/us/2661006/Glurkenspurk

To be fair, protech is now a top8 masters player so..


different protech. This guy just cannon rushed and called me a faggot. I don't think it's the same one.

Yes, but check the profile you linked
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
April 25 2012 14:30 GMT
#272
I didnt realize how much I liked always having even matchups until the last couple days... this system sucks. I HATE playing people far below my skill level and I nearly hate playing pros just as much. Sure I probably had some complaints about the previous matchmaking system but I will gladly take it back after having this new one for a few days...
RoyW
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Ireland270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 14:36:39
April 25 2012 14:36 GMT
#273
The amount of whining in this thread is ridiculous. People are over-reacting, using 4 game sample sizes, and blaming the slightest change for their match results.

People moaned about match-making before this was in place, moaned at the change, and are now moaning at this improvement attempt.

Maybe give it a couple of weeks, get a decent sample size and report back on your experiences then? Could that be more productive?
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
April 25 2012 14:40 GMT
#274
On April 25 2012 23:30 CaptainCrush wrote:
I didnt realize how much I liked always having even matchups until the last couple days... this system sucks. I HATE playing people far below my skill level and I nearly hate playing pros just as much. Sure I probably had some complaints about the previous matchmaking system but I will gladly take it back after having this new one for a few days...


Haha, I get it Blizzard! You're sick of hearing us complain about battle.net 0.2, so you're trying to make us grateful for what we had by letting us have a taste of a terrible matchmaking system!

Problem is... I think we're just going to complain about both now! :p

Please revert changes T_T AND please give us LAN (g-_-)-o and then we'll <3 u!
scotth85
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom6 Posts
April 25 2012 15:57 GMT
#275
Blizzard said they were doing this matchmaking change because they thought it would be "fun" to face people who are better or worse than yourself. If people find it "fun" then give them an option to choose whether to have mismatched games on or not. I would certainly rather not have them on. I'm in top gold, and was facing mainly low platinums. Suddenly I'm facing diamonds as well as low golds. Now people might say that you will learn from facing better people but I disagree, you only learn sometimes.

For example I play protoss and the mid/low platinum terrans I was getting matched against normally are starting to do quite a few more 1/1/1 and all in builds that gold terans dont do. I have trouble against them but I accept that i need to learn and I was slowly learning from them. The thing is they dont execute these builds so well but I havent faced them much so I was slowly learning them - but still losing most of them. Then suddenly I face diamond terrans who pull the builds of so much better that I feel as though its pointless even trying. I can't learn much at all from a game like that because there are all sorts of issues, micro issues, build issues, reaction problems, etc etc. All of these build up a huge amount more when I'm faced against much better players. I don't learn anything from it and it isn't "fun" at all. Losing isn't fun, I accept I am going to lose sometimes and that's fine, but losing in games where it feels like I don't have a chance at all is far from fun and far from an acceptable loss, it just feels like a waste of my time and probably a waste of the favoured players time who gets very few points and also learns nothing.

Also, it's not like I play perfectly every game, although I do win most games when I'm favoured, I do lose a few as well and that is irritating - not fun, just irritating. As I say, people who find it fun could just switch the option to be mismatched on and people who don't like it (which I honestly think would be the majority of ladder players) can switch it off and learn the get better at a steady manageable pace.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
April 25 2012 16:04 GMT
#276
On April 25 2012 23:36 RoyW wrote:
The amount of whining in this thread is ridiculous. People are over-reacting, using 4 game sample sizes, and blaming the slightest change for their match results.

People moaned about match-making before this was in place, moaned at the change, and are now moaning at this improvement attempt.

Maybe give it a couple of weeks, get a decent sample size and report back on your experiences then? Could that be more productive?


No they aren't. The 4 game samples are just examples. The matchmaking has been completely stupid since the very start of the season even during their 'reverted' period. Many of us have extremely stable MMR and it's very obvious what the changes have done to our matches.

And almost no one complained about matchmaking before. People complained about pretty much everything in B.NET 2.0 (much of it unwarranted IMO), but not matchmaking.
KaiserCommander
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico290 Posts
April 25 2012 18:15 GMT
#277
Wow, seems a good season for interesting changes, I hope they finally do something about the GUI design
Jinro, Polt, Bomber, ForGG, MajOr, Flash, Maru. Terran Fighting...
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
April 25 2012 18:17 GMT
#278
That's pretty cool, the thing I miss about starting out is having some games that can be taken kind of easily. Being in Masters, trying to get better, and having every game be extremely high stakes is kind of stressful.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
April 25 2012 18:18 GMT
#279
On April 26 2012 01:04 oxxo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 23:36 RoyW wrote:
The amount of whining in this thread is ridiculous. People are over-reacting, using 4 game sample sizes, and blaming the slightest change for their match results.

People moaned about match-making before this was in place, moaned at the change, and are now moaning at this improvement attempt.

Maybe give it a couple of weeks, get a decent sample size and report back on your experiences then? Could that be more productive?


No they aren't. The 4 game samples are just examples. The matchmaking has been completely stupid since the very start of the season even during their 'reverted' period. Many of us have extremely stable MMR and it's very obvious what the changes have done to our matches.

And almost no one complained about matchmaking before. People complained about pretty much everything in B.NET 2.0 (much of it unwarranted IMO), but not matchmaking.


I fully agree, I dont need to play 50 or even 100 games before I can realize that this new system sucks... I am a borderline gold/ plat player and I got paired up against a diamond yesterday.

Well, I got stomped and lost 2 points... he gained one single whopping ladder point. Where's the sense in that? Thanks Blizz...
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
April 25 2012 18:19 GMT
#280
On April 24 2012 10:40 felisconcolori wrote:
I dunno. I've been playing bronze, bronze, silver, gold, repeat the past two days.

I'm not quite sure what exactly is going on with the matchmaking system, but I would like to get off this rollercoaster =)

(I'm Silver.)


Ranking from bronze to platinum is really not very suggestive of skill, well bronze to gold anyway... A high bronze can easily be skill wise equal to a low gold. The difference isn't comparable to plat > diamond or diamond > masters skill gaps. so that isn't very strange at all
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