On April 16 2012 18:10 Ruscour wrote: Can a mod please edit the title...even though not everyone enjoyed his casting there's no need to be a dick about it.
I'm sorry but, I'm glad. The guy seemed nice, and he went and lived in Korea to cast Starcraft, but I will never understand why he didnt try to learn more about the game. The mistakes he kept repeating and the lack of knowledge was a little bit too much for a GSL caster imho. Best of luck to him, LoL isnt a bad choice I guess for a caster
I actually might miss a bit of Moletrap in GSL. He often went out of his way to bring in out-of-game knowledge about the players and their histories and statistics rather than try to ramble off topic to fill the time. Also, I respect the passion he had when casting, which was more than what I heard from other casters despite his rather controversial casting abilities.
But best of luck with him in LoL. Interesting to see so many BW people like Kim Carrier, YellOw, and Fruitdealer in LoL now. Perhaps in the rumored combined SC2/BW Proleague we might see him doing the English cast.
This feels like an office goodbye party for that one no one really hated, but he was a nice guy.
At any rate, good luck Moletrap. Hopefully OGN and LoL will be a better scene for you. Hopefully you can bring a more professional look to LoL casting.
Best of luck Mtrap. You were really nice to your fans and stuff. Even though you might not have been my favorite caster the crap you received from some of the community was undesserved! GL with OGN and LoL
I've seen him play LoL with Diggity, his LoL knowledge is about on par with his Sc2 knowledge, so LoL fans will quickly dislike him as well. Gl to Moletrap in the future, but I'm not particularly interested in watching his LoL casts.
Even though I was never the biggest moletrap fan, it's always kinda sad to hear that you probably won't listen to someones cast again (given that my opinion of lol is rather low), but working for OGN is sooooo much bigger then any job at gom, so grats for getting such a huge oppertunity.
IMO Clearly a very nice guy who it seems was mistreated by the SC2 scene. He deserved better than he got from the SC2 fans..... He's worked long and hard to make a career in esports, I wish him the best.
On April 16 2012 18:22 eviltomahawk wrote: I actually might miss a bit of Moletrap in GSL. He often went out of his way to bring in out-of-game knowledge about the players and their histories and statistics rather than try to ramble off topic to fill the time. Also, I respect the passion he had when casting, which was more than what I heard from other casters despite his rather controversial casting abilities.
But best of luck with him in LoL. Interesting to see so many BW people like Kim Carrier, YellOw, and Fruitdealer in LoL now. Perhaps in the rumored combined SC2/BW Proleague we might see him doing the English cast.
agreed, very few casters now (even the 'good' ones) tell us about player's past history and stats, it seems only the korean commentators do that =[
From what I've seen and heard, he is a lot better at casting LoL than SC2. Plus considering the esports scene right now, I can only really see it being upwards from here for him in pretty much every single way.
I didn't mind his SC2 casting myself though, I think the sheer amount of hate he got was very undeserved. I really wish him all the best!
I'm very happy with this, SC2 has a lot of great casters, but Moletrap wasent one of them. But in a game like LoL... I'm sure he'll do great! :D gl Moletrap!
I don't plan on watching LoL ever again but I actually think Moletrap is a great caster for the upcoming BW/SC2 mixed league. Having extensive knowledge of the players and how they apply their BW strats to SC2 is pretty valuable. I'd prefer Artosis, but in the event that Tastosis can't be contracted to do both GSL and PL Moletrap is the next best step imho.
This is probably best ending, people who don't like Moletrap get to see him leave, but Moletrap also gets a sick position; fans of moletrap also get to follow him in his new position.
Maybe it's not the hero they want, but it's the hero they deserve
From the GSL General dicussion thread that Khaldor confirmed, that I commented:
On April 16 2012 18:38 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Wow, from someone that followed him from his BW Youtube beginnings, I am quite shocked actually. I didn't even know he played LoL let alone cast it. He never casted any games on his Youtube channels either.
I am rather doubtful it was a case of higher salary. Even if OGN did offer more money, for a person like Moletrap to betray his passion for Starcraft... There had to be a higher reason.
Two reasons I see possible for moving to OGN for LoL:
1) He knows a majority or at least a very vocal minority of the SC2 community hates him a lot. So he decided to pack his bags and move to greener grass where he won't be heckled.
2) The more likely reason is that he hopes by working with OGN, even through LoL, it would give him a chance to cast Proleague or Starleague if they decided to start casting those games in English as well. For such a BW scene lover like Moletrap, that is truly a dream come true.
I don't like how he didn't make a formal announcement himself though. I felt like it was a bit dickish. Oh well
On April 16 2012 18:37 namedplayer wrote: what about Torch?
Torch was no surprise to me. I knew he played LoL a lot. Also his job at GOM was to be a foreign liaison but that was when GOM actually had a decent amount of foreigners in GSL. With the number of foreigners we have now, he probably didn't even have anything to do.
On April 16 2012 18:55 MCXD wrote: This does raise the question of who the new Code A caster will be though, if anyone.
They will probably just stick to wolf and khaldor, the duo seem to be a popular in the community and they do a good job of casting code A and GSTL so no need to get anyone new (And if one is not available like wolf is at dreamhack they can substitute tasteless or artosis in).
There isn't a caster in the world who inspired me more than Moletrap. The guy went from nothing to casting games for the most prestigious tournament in the world. You don't have to like his casting, but you have to respect his passion and dedication.
I knew that he comments SC2 for Gom, but never heard Moletrap's casting SC2. But as I remember his casts of BW on his channel were really nice. Combo casts with Cholera, Diggity, Rise were amazing. But casting LoL? I think it is more important for him working for OGN, than LoL itself.
On April 16 2012 18:50 RaiKageRyu wrote: From the GSL General dicussion thread that Khaldor confirmed, that I commented: 2) The more likely reason is that he hopes by working with OGN, even through LoL, it would give him a chance to cast Proleague or Starleague if they decided to start casting those games in English as well. For such a BW scene lover like Moletrap, that is truly a dream come true.
Really hope so. The guy, who dedicated his life for BW and got so many people into it, can't leave it for LOL.
He gets people bashing his LoL casting too, but I think that's more indicative that every game has its vocal bitching group. Still, sounds like a good move for him.
Oh man :'(((( Sickest letdown. Probably one of the most talented casters out there, but he chose the better game (aka more successful), I wish him good luck!
Hopefully kellymilkies can make a comeback. Would be so sick...
Your type of casting with high amounts of energy, and enthusiasm was a nice change now and then, I know some people got tired of it after a while, but it was an enjoyable change from normal English casters. Good luck in your future endeavours, you put a large amount of work into your eSports career, and I hope that pays off.
On April 16 2012 18:43 MCXD wrote: From what I've seen and heard, he is a lot better at casting LoL than SC2. Plus considering the esports scene right now, I can only really see it being upwards from here for him in pretty much every single way.
I didn't mind his SC2 casting myself though, I think the sheer amount of hate he got was very undeserved. I really wish him all the best!
The LoL community was lacking good play-by-play commentators, and someone with the constant enthusiasm like MoleTrap's casting is good enough.
Moletrap was a great guy and had some good moments but I'm definatly glad hes not casting for gom anymore. Good luck with OGN moletrap your LoL casting is really good!
its been a few months, and I STILL can't see the interest LOL has for viewers, it just doesn't seem fun to watch. Anyway, it's not a big loss to the community.
As a giant LoL fan, I can say he fits a lot better with LoL. There are huge gaps in LoL commentary, as said. Glad that he got a chance. I hope he ups his game knowledge a bit because he still makes painful mistakes. But he is a nice LoL addition ^_^
I guess I'm in the minority but I really enjoyed his casting. I can't say I'm a fan of Torch OR LoL in any way shape or form so for me this is a really bad move. GL though...
Not a good sign for the prosperity of esports, as i doubt he left willingly. but it does say a lot about the communities effect on casters such as him. hope he does well in LoL
I don't think this will be the last we see of moletrap casting sc2. With the new sc2 proleague rumors emerging him casting that isn't to far of a stretch. He also knows the bw scene so he would a good caster to actually educate the sc2 viewer on all the new faces.
I thought this was already known but wondered why no-one really wrote any news post on it. At any rate it's a great opportunity for him and TorcH (he's co-caster right?)
I loved Moletrap's BW commentaries on Violetak's channel back when I started watching BW. I liked his Gom casting at first because he brings some good energy, but his game knowledge wasn't great and he didn't always have a co-caster that he fit well with (not his fault, just happens). Still, I never really had a problem with his casting and didn't think he deserved the copious amount of LR hatred he got. I hope things work out well for him at OGN.
Never been a big fan of him, but watched him cast LoL (not really fan of game either) few days ago and he was doing really great job there. He put much more love to his shoutcasting than in SC2. I wish him good luck!
Well, they really did not make a fuzz about it. Never really liked his casting, but the dude definately deserves more credit than the "kthxbai" they apparently gave him. no?
His LoL casting is actually not that bad. I still think that western events should adopt the three caster system that Koreans have. Gives each guy more breathing and thinking room to actually say meaningful stuff.
Wow this thread of full of ban baiters, so I'll refrain from posting insulting rebuttals to the ignorant posters in this thread and say good luck Moletrap. I'll be watching.
watched him cast LoL awhile ago, he is much better at it. Actually he was really good at it imo, since LoL has more small engagements and ganks, he makes it much more interesting than his usual sc2 cast
LoL confirmed for never taking off as an esport now. I hear Kelly Milkies is already casting DOTA 2 now as well. At this rate the only MOBA game that serves as any threat to sc2 and bw is Blizzard DOTA. I just wish we got another substitute code A caster now.
Moletrap did a pretty good job casting, and I must admit that I will miss his "NOOOOO" when a hatchery is barely saved or something. I always laugh to myself.
I actually might miss a bit of Moletrap in GSL. He often went out of his way to bring in out-of-game knowledge about the players and their histories and statistics rather than try to ramble off topic to fill the time. Also, I respect the passion he had when casting, which was more than what I heard from other casters despite his rather controversial casting abilities.
This is the rest of how I feel. It's why I never understood all the caster hate on the guy.
When moletrap came to gom he replaced kellymilkies and recieved a ton of support and happyness because of the "general dislike" with the previous caster.
Because of this the feedback he got was way too positive, nearing god tier levels. I think this can be very hard to deal with depending on your personality. You can easily get fed into thinking you are the shit.
The problem with that has been his seemingly lack of improvement. If there is anything I would be able to evaluate people on it's how they improve. This has been the main concern with moletrap. It's not any particular problem, it's to not actually fix those problems and fix them well.
The reason for stating this here is to simply make a few others more aware of how important it can be that when we try to keep our feedback in check and keep it real.
Moving towards LoL seems like a nice move. He doesn't leave on a bad note. Good luck.
On April 16 2012 18:22 eviltomahawk wrote: I actually might miss a bit of Moletrap in GSL. He often went out of his way to bring in out-of-game knowledge about the players and their histories and statistics rather than try to ramble off topic to fill the time. Also, I respect the passion he had when casting, which was more than what I heard from other casters despite his rather controversial casting abilities.
I would add my sign to that. Loved the out-of-game knowledge that always was during the startup of the games he casted. For that alone I personally liked his casting. He might not be the best caster out there, but he is good and adds something that others do not. I wish him good luck!
I think this is a smart decision by him, he wasnt the most liked caster, and i'll admit i didnt like him at all either. I hope he does a much better job with LoL, gl to him
And this is why it's better to hire casters that actually love the game and play it a at a high level, so that you don't have to deal with "pseudocasters" following the money.
I think it's for the best, since I haven't really been fond of his SC2 casts.
It seemed to me he just lacked insight and knowledge you get from playing a lot, and from what I know about LoL you need a lot of game time to be knowledgeable enough to cast it, so dividing his time between the games might account for his lack of knowledge of SC2.
Again, good luck to him, and I hope this opens space for Incontrol + more Tastossis casting.
On April 16 2012 18:13 mahO wrote: I'm sorry but, I'm glad. The guy seemed nice, and he went and lived in Korea to cast Starcraft, but I will never understand why he didnt try to learn more about the game. The mistakes he kept repeating and the lack of knowledge was a little bit too much for a GSL caster imho. Best of luck to him, LoL isnt a bad choice I guess for a caster
That is awesome for Moletrap. He is an old school Brood War caster so I can only imagine how special it is to be working and casting events in one of the most legendary e-sport arenas of all time.
On April 16 2012 18:12 Dodgin wrote: Not going to lie and pretend I'm not happy.
Good luck with LoL and OGN, Moletrap.
Couldn't agree more. I'm very happy to see him moving away from SC2. Not going to hate on him personally or his casting style, but he was definitely not my cup of tea.
Good bye Mole, hope you'll do better with LoL than you did with SC2. Khaldor and Wolf the only casters left now right? Good casters for the best league (except form Tastosis)
Now we only need TB to switch so Apollo can have a great co caster.
On April 16 2012 18:14 tomatriedes wrote: It would be cool if Apollo went to replace him but he's probably got enough going on in Europe.
Agree. Would be awesome with Apollo in GSL. He's one of the absolute smartest casters out there.
Well, Apollo just moved to Sweden, i'm not sure if he wants to move again. However, having him cast GSL would still be awesome. I'm thinking (or rather dreaming) Artosis and Apollo for analysis and TB as high energy play-by-play in a casting trio. Won't ever happen
On April 16 2012 19:53 LunaSea wrote: And this is why it's better to hire casters that actually love the game and play it a at a high level, so that you don't have to deal with "pseudocasters" following the money.
Moletrap has been doing commentary on broodwar for a LONG fucking time. If you think he switched only because of money you clearly know nothing about him.
Its the constant barrage of hate from sc2 fans that made him switch imo.
As someone who now actively watches a lot of LoL, I kind of wish he would go back to casting SC2... He's even more insufferable as a caster when he knows absolutely nothing about the game he's casting. I hope he actually takes this new gig seriously and does some serious homework to learn this new game. Fortunately for him, the LoL community isn't developed enough to string him up by his toes like the SC2 community did to Kelly Milkis back in the day.
Apollo really needs someone skilled at his side (even though he is high rank) he just gets a bit to opinionated about builds and plays etc. so having another insightful caster makes him more reasonable. It's my take on why he doesn't work well with TB.
Never understood the excessive hate for this guy. He wasn't the best caster, but he wasn't a bad one either. Wish him luck in all his future endeavours in LoL casting.
Too bad, Moletrap has sacrificed so much for Starcraft and been around for so long. Hope this works out for him. And holy crap there are a lot of assholes in this thread.
On April 16 2012 20:41 Gorlin wrote: Too bad, Moletrap has sacrificed so much for Starcraft and been around for so long. Hope this works out for him. And holy crap there are a lot of assholes in this thread.
Yeah, sadly so.
I'm not going to lie, I personally did not prefer his casting over some of the others who did Code A, but at least he tried to give everyone a good cast and do his best, now he's sadly departing to go to League of Legends and rather than just cease the hate on him just because you disliked his casting, you'd prefer to post stupid one liners such as "thank god hes gone" or some shit. Have some respect, he put in the effort to get to where he was and all he got for it was a large amount of hate, now he's left so at least have the decency to just let it go and not post at all. Are you still so upset about his casting that it's affecting you even after he's left GOM for good? Seriously, it's pathetic.
On April 16 2012 20:41 Gorlin wrote: Too bad, Moletrap has sacrificed so much for Starcraft and been around for so long. Hope this works out for him. And holy crap there are a lot of assholes in this thread.
Yeah, sadly so.
I'm not going to lie, I personally did not prefer his casting over some of the others who did Code A, but at least he tried to give everyone a good cast and do his best, now he's sadly departing to go to League of Legends and rather than just cease the hate on him just because you disliked his casting, you'd prefer to post stupid one liners such as "thank god hes gone" or some shit. Have some respect, he put in the effort to get to where he was and all he got for it was a large amount of hate, now he's left so at least have the decency to just let it go and not post at all. Are you still so upset about his casting that it's affecting you even after he's left GOM for good? Seriously, it's pathetic.
Agreed, best of luck Moletrap. I enjoyed your casting
I just hope he doesn't take all the criticism too hard and that he has a good time casting lol, while i personally never had any problems with his casting i guess he was disliked for a reason and that it wasn't "mean to be" as it were Moletrap fighting!
Good luck to Moletrap, sad to see him leave the Starcraft scene. He was something quite different when it came to casting even though he was so wrong at times it was fun to hear his cast, altough much better with Wolf than alone.
Honestly I loved his solo casting for Gom. I just think he never really got used to the dual casting idea. Good luck with OGN and LoL! Hope it works out for you Moletrap!
On April 16 2012 20:28 mango_destroyer wrote: Best of luck Moletrap...the sc2 community can be huge dicks sometimes..
And you think the LoL community is better? and anyway people have a right to say they don't like something if they don't. While I agree that some people here are less then nice about this I also have to ask where is Moletrap's goodbye SC2 post or something along that line? Even if we have been so bad to him the fact that we are here and that we love SC made it possible for him to have a job.
If he wants to move on form SC2 for now I wish him the best but I'm not going to hide the fact that imo he wasn't 100% fit for the job.
It's about time, he was definitely the only caster that I didn't enjoy in GOM's lineup. He was bearable, but Wolf+Kaldor and Tastosis were miles ahead. He wasn't entertaining or funny and had no analytic prowess. This is good news!
On April 16 2012 18:13 mahO wrote: I'm sorry but, I'm glad. The guy seemed nice, and he went and lived in Korea to cast Starcraft, but I will never understand why he didnt try to learn more about the game. The mistakes he kept repeating and the lack of knowledge was a little bit too much for a GSL caster imho. Best of luck to him, LoL isnt a bad choice I guess for a caster
funny, that doesn't seem to stop everyone around here from sucking Tasteless' dick though...
I'm still waiting for the day when truly hard working casters will be appreciated by the community, and casting will not equate being a clown.
I guess this almost confirms that Moletrap will be casting the SC2 league for OGN then. Must be a childhood coming true for the man, sitting at home in front of his computer, casting Korean BW VoDs from OGN/MBC, and now casting for OGN. The man is truly living his dream fully.
I'm so confused, why doesn't hell break loose in joy in here. For him being the most hated caster at the GSL (after Kelly) this thread looks somewhat like a farewell to a good friend. Well I'm glad his gone and I pity all the LoL spectators.
I hate to say it since I really liked his broodwar casting from youtube but I'm glad. I doubt he knows much about LoL though but gl I guess hopefully we can have some passionate caster replace him since I don't think he ever really got himself into the SC2 world.
So? Moletrap was a poor sc2 caster, I remember last time he casted together with khaldor, and he literally got corrected by khaloder like 5-10 times per game, in pure game ignorance.
I have nothing vs moletrap, but his knowledge of sc2 is very very limited and he isn't fit for casting the game.
All the best, Moletrap. I never understood the hate you got. In terms of normal voice, inflection, and articulation, you were pleasant on the ears, much more so than a few other casters. And I thought you had your funny moments as well. "Off The Record" would have been a good format for you also. Anyways, thanks for the entertainment.
I've been browsing this website for over a year, not the forums though because they're moderated by nazis but I want my first and most likely last post to be in this thread. Good riddance to a terrible caster.
I echo many others' sentiments here... I felt he kept repeating too many mistakes in casting, and I can't say I'm sorry to see him go.
In any case, good luck to you Moletrap, and I have a lot of respect for people such as yourself who move to the other side of the world to pursue your career.
Huh, sucks that his approval ratings were as low as they were. Best of luck to him. A little surprised that he switched to LoL.I would think that SC2 fans would want to stick with their games no matter what.
It seems really odd, I like moletrap much more than Wolf honestly but what can you do? Good luck to him with his new job, and good luck to Gom finding a replacement.
Goddamn. SC2 loses a great caster, and LoL wins one... the problem is, even though LoL is a fun game to play, it's not a fun game to WATCH, so I feel like Moletrap's skill is kind of wasted on LoL :/
On April 16 2012 21:29 PinchedTurnip wrote: I've been browsing this website for over a year, not the forums though because they're moderated by nazis but I want my first and most likely last post to be in this thread. Good riddance to a terrible caster.
a bit rude but so true about everything I guess
User was banned for this post and a long history of bans and warning.
Where can I find a vod or stream of one of these OGN LoL english casts? I would like to see an example of an OGN cast in english as I hope there will be SC2 in english soon.
I was always indifferent to his work, nothing wrong with it but nothing special about it (SC2)
I think this is a better move for him and his career, as i feel SC2 is stacked with great commentators and its almost impossible to break out, whereas there is alot of room in the LoL community.
It must be an awesome experience to be from the community that used to find OGN VODs to cast over them to now have the chance to sit on the stage itself! Maybe we'll meet again if OGN starts to hose SC2 tournaments! Take care ^^;;
I wondered what happened to him and figured it would be something like this. Did prefer all the other casters though, so it's nice to see that he's got something else to work with.
There should be codes and reglations in what a pro caster should and shouldnt provide, like they should provide recent history stats, behind the scenes information on the gaming house, injuries blah blah blah. Hearing that from casters makes it so much more valuable to me listening knowing that these guys do take their jobs seriously and not just taking it for granted. Surely one day e-Sports will become mainstream and every caster that doesnt keep up to par with the game will go. Sure you can have a joke or two, but i don't hear constant rambling in mainstream sports like i do in e-sports casting. Like it or not, for e-Sports to grow the caster have to cast "professionally" no immaturity allowed.
Not bad, Doa and Moletrap gone from GOM. Not to be bashing them, I know many likes them, but for me personally this is very good news. I always felt moletrap was way better at casting bw than sc2, but iunno. GLHF to him I guess.
I feel kinda sad... I kinda liked moletrap, altho there are many who didnt seem to. His enthusiasm made the matches pretty interesting and his lame jokes were well lame lol...
Weird that he has not even announced it himself, the announcement is more of a "by the way"-tweet from Khaldor. Also kind of sad, when I think of how involved he was in BW, and early SC2, then he just left for LoL of all things.
yeah, watching him commentate sc2 always felt like he didnt really enjoy it himself. dont care about lol so dont know about his commentary there but i also think he might try this way to get to his real passion, commentating a bw starleague which he very well might be doing if the rumours turn out to be true.
He does an amazing job casting the OGN games, just needs more game knowledge.
We LoL fans love you Moletrap!
Btw the reason he probably didn't announce it himself is really obvious considering the content of this thread. Most of what he saw on the TL forums was abuse directed at him. I'm not surprised he switched, I would have done the same.
It's never nice to gloat about things like this, but I must say that this will make GSL a lot more enjoyable for me. Khaldor & Moletrap in equal amounts ruined Code A for me. Grubby to cast GSL? Wishful thinking I guess
No one to hate on anyone but Moletraps casting was borderline bad in the sense that he didn't know anything about the game, couldn't sync with his co-casters, constantly run down players who just happened to make a few mistakes.
All the best to him but GSL has gotten more enjoyable for me.
I dind't mind watching him casting, but with khaldor together it was no fun an @all. But as long as GOM gets a great caster i'm okay with it. gl to Moletrap on OGN tho.
This is weird. I wonder if we'll lose any other casters to LoL. I wasn't the biggest fan of his casting (he made it awkward a lot), but I'll never forget BoxeR's nuke.
On April 16 2012 18:14 figq wrote: Moletrap to OGN is likely a better move for his career - and he might end up commentating the SC2/BW league as well. (he was a BW caster, before all)
Dear god please don't let him back to BW. You thought he didn't know much about sc2?
On April 16 2012 18:12 Dodgin wrote: Not going to lie and pretend I'm not happy.
Good luck with LoL and OGN, Moletrap.
Sums up how I feel about this news.
You don't have to be happy or sad per say for this news.
However, what you should be is respectful, Moletrap is someone who has done a lot for this community, and was an integral person in being a gateway into professional SC:BW for many us.
SICK! Yeah not gonna lie here... Even then, I can't say the new casters are that much greater. To me, Tastosis (at least, Artosis) set a pretty high bar for anyone. I like my casting deep and relevant, while being light as well.
GL moletrap, that sounds like an awesome opportunity! I dont wanna sound like an ass, but I'm actually quite pleased about this. Sometimes chemistries dont work out and it's time to move on and stuff. Here's to Wolf, Khaldor and Tastosis! :D
On April 16 2012 22:41 Holgerius wrote: For OGN? That's really cool.
Basically this, its really cool for him. I wonder if he ever imagined working for OGN one day back when he started doing commentary over the Korean OSL vods.
Byebye Moletrap, from the times of watching your BW commentaries and being a zero fanboy, to the Code A matches in Gom Studio, I don't regret watching you commentate ever. Later
I thought he was the weakest link in GOM's casting lineup (their worst ever in fact) so I'm not sad to see him go. I think GOM, and my entertainment experience, will be stronger without him.
If Khaldor leaves as well and gets replaced by someone fitting gsl niveau im a happy person. Gl to Moletrap but let's be honest it's better if he stops casting a game he has no clue about.
I read that as he is casting laugh out of loud for OGN, like a diss, but then i realized it w as league of legends haha. But thats cool he can be a part of growing the korean LoL scene
On April 16 2012 22:41 hillman wrote: yeah goodluck moletrap - hopefully the LOL community isn't filled with as many hateful people who act like biased little spoiled children...
If the SC2 crowd is too immature for you then you had better just give up now, because we are as high brow as your gunna find.
What the hell is going on.. like there is a major brain drain from SC2 to LoL now.. sad to watch. Moletrap, the other OGN guys going to LoL, SC2 teams' rookies taking up LoL. Doesnt look too good for the future at the moment
Gl with OGN Moletrap, I remember talking to you in IRC after your very first GOM cast and you were incredibly polite. Hopefully you can swing in some English Proleague casting while you're over there, just an idea
At last, no more "ah maj gaaaaash" in Code A. The annoyance factors and mistakes of his Sc2 casting were too plentiful if you ask me. I hope he'll shred whatever bad casting habits he might have developed in the Sc2 scene and do an awesome job in the LoL scene, best of luck Moletrap!
I always feel ashamed and embarrassed when fellow SC community members lash out hatefully against casters. Moletrap (and Gretorp) are good guys who do not deserve the hate they're receiving. I hope these SC-Hooligans will one day disappear from the scene, or at the least that the community would turn against them and make them feel what it's like to be so viciously assaulted.
Moletrap, I wish you the best of luck, and enjoy your new adventure!
On April 16 2012 23:15 SharkStarcraft wrote: If Khaldor leaves as well and gets replaced by someone fitting gsl niveau im a happy person. Gl to Moletrap but let's be honest it's better if he stops casting a game he has no clue about.
Man... so agree about Khaldor, i will be so happy if he leaves with his subjective opinion and comments.
On April 16 2012 23:20 storkfan wrote: What the hell is going on.. like there is a major brain drain from SC2 to LoL now.. sad to watch. Moletrap, the other OGN guys going to LoL, SC2 teams' rookies taking up LoL. Doesnt look too good for the future at the moment
Look how much Riot put into LoL. Huge monies being invested. Blizzard are a waste of space in comparison.
On April 16 2012 23:22 Rustug wrote: I always feel ashamed and embarrassed when fellow SC community members lash out hatefully against casters. Moletrap (and Gretorp) are good guys who do not deserve the hate they're receiving. I hope these SC-Hooligans will one day disappear from the scene, or at the least that the community would turn against them and make them feel what it's like to be so viciously assaulted.
Moletrap, I wish you the best of luck, and enjoy your new adventure!
A caster is there to make it enjoyable watching a game, by making puns/talking about the game analytical/... So he is there for us, he's a product of GOM towards us, if we don't like that product, it's more than logical that the community lets GOM know this. There is no hate to the person moletrap, but to the caster moletrap. Just my 2 cents.
I didn't like his casting, but i wish him luck in the future.
On April 16 2012 23:20 storkfan wrote: What the hell is going on.. like there is a major brain drain from SC2 to LoL now.. sad to watch. Moletrap, the other OGN guys going to LoL, SC2 teams' rookies taking up LoL. Doesnt look too good for the future at the moment
Its what happens when a company actually supports their game.
On April 16 2012 23:22 Rustug wrote: I always feel ashamed and embarrassed when fellow SC community members lash out hatefully against casters. Moletrap (and Gretorp) are good guys who do not deserve the hate they're receiving. I hope these SC-Hooligans will one day disappear from the scene, or at the least that the community would turn against them and make them feel what it's like to be so viciously assaulted.
Moletrap, I wish you the best of luck, and enjoy your new adventure!
A caster is there to make it enjoyable watching a game, by making puns/talking about the game analytical/... So he is there for us, he's a product of GOM towards us, if we don't like that product, it's more than logical that the community lets GOM know this. There is no hate to the person moletrap, but to the caster moletrap. Just my 2 cents.
I didn't like his casting, but i wish him luck in the future.
Yep, the product is the entire production including the casters. People can't separate a person's professional actions from their actual being. It's not like Moletrap was offensive or hurtful with his casting, but his casting just wasn't liked by many. It has nothing to do with him as a person. As a person he's a supporter of eSports and hopefully the new opportunity pans out for him. Good luck!
On April 16 2012 23:20 storkfan wrote: What the hell is going on.. like there is a major brain drain from SC2 to LoL now.. sad to watch. Moletrap, the other OGN guys going to LoL, SC2 teams' rookies taking up LoL. Doesnt look too good for the future at the moment
Its what happens when a company actually supports their game.
Holy shit that's a pretty good point. Never thought about this o_o
On April 16 2012 23:20 storkfan wrote: What the hell is going on.. like there is a major brain drain from SC2 to LoL now.. sad to watch. Moletrap, the other OGN guys going to LoL, SC2 teams' rookies taking up LoL. Doesnt look too good for the future at the moment
Its what happens when a company actually supports their game.
Holy shit that's a pretty good point. Never thought about this o_o
I know man? Crazy shit right? Make a game accessible, enjoyable and throw a ton of money at events and promotion and people actually play it :0
On April 16 2012 23:02 Laplaces_imp wrote: ...maybe Day9 to cast GSL? and do the dailies? and do MLG? that would be awesome
Moan9 is overrated.
Moletrap + Khaldor best caster duo in sc2, too bad he left.
Yeah, Day[9] can be quite entertaining but I don't think he'd be a suitable replacement for GSL casting. Gonna be interesting to see who they choose to bring in.
That's too bad. I thought he's a bit annoying when left to cast alone or with Khaldor, but he worked really, really well next to Doa and Wolf. Even though he made a lot of mistakes he has a positive attitude and kept steadily improving. Sad to see him go, take care and good luck, Sir Trap.
On April 16 2012 23:20 storkfan wrote: What the hell is going on.. like there is a major brain drain from SC2 to LoL now.. sad to watch. Moletrap, the other OGN guys going to LoL, SC2 teams' rookies taking up LoL. Doesnt look too good for the future at the moment
Its what happens when a company actually supports their game.
Correction : That's what happens when a company supports it's community (with big $Dollars$).
On April 16 2012 23:20 storkfan wrote: What the hell is going on.. like there is a major brain drain from SC2 to LoL now.. sad to watch. Moletrap, the other OGN guys going to LoL, SC2 teams' rookies taking up LoL. Doesnt look too good for the future at the moment
Its what happens when a company actually supports their game.
Correction : That's what happens when a company supports it's community (with big $Dollars$).
It is not only dollars (Blizzard have dollars too anyway, a lot). I visit the LoL forums often, and Riot usually talks with the community. I have seen forum trheads with 40 or 50 Riots Posts in the same thread. They admit their erros often, they listen and talk to the community. They invert and announce esports. They dont "demmand" Kespa or other organizacions and try to gain royaltys.
I'll be honest here: I stopped watching Code A (when I still had the time to follow the GSL) because of moletrap's casting. It just had zero charisma and his voice is just not made for that particular job.
Kind of a bummer...I mean, I did punch my keyboard every time he showed up instead of Tastosis on a Code S cast, but...it's hard to compare to them. GLHF with LoL, Moletrap!
On April 16 2012 23:19 Equity213 wrote: If the SC2 crowd is too immature for you then you had better just give up now, because we are as high brow as your gunna find.
You have no idea what you're talking about, really. It doesn't get much worse than SC2's community, except for CoD and such, a lot of "less popular" games have fantastic communities. Team Liquid keeps people in line overall, but on this thread alone you can see that a large part of this community is as rotten as most others. Difference is, you don't know/don't hear of the "good" communities much because they're not doing a lot of drama and don't have as much exposure.
Maybe in the BW World, you can move from casting the PL or OSL finals or whatever from your car using the university wireless connection, to actually being live at the event.
Mission Accomplished with 50% success rate - Diggity is not there with you.
On April 16 2012 23:19 Equity213 wrote: If the SC2 crowd is too immature for you then you had better just give up now, because we are as high brow as your gunna find.
You have no idea what you're talking about, really. It doesn't get much worse than SC2's community, except for CoD and such, a lot of "less popular" games have fantastic communities. Team Liquid keeps people in line overall, but on this thread alone you can see that a large part of this community is as rotten as most others. Difference is, you don't know/don't hear of the "good" communities much because they're not doing a lot of drama and don't have as much exposure.
You must be new to the internet and online gaming if you think SC2's community is on the worse end of the spectrum.
On April 16 2012 23:19 Equity213 wrote: If the SC2 crowd is too immature for you then you had better just give up now, because we are as high brow as your gunna find.
You have no idea what you're talking about, really. It doesn't get much worse than SC2's community, except for CoD and such, a lot of "less popular" games have fantastic communities. Team Liquid keeps people in line overall, but on this thread alone you can see that a large part of this community is as rotten as most others. Difference is, you don't know/don't hear of the "good" communities much because they're not doing a lot of drama and don't have as much exposure.
You must be new to the internet and online gaming if you think SC2's community is on the worse end of the spectrum.
I think it's safe to assume that he hasn't played Heroes of Newerth.
LoL will be better for him, much easier game to cast since you really don't need to know much. He can probably pick up most things that happen in LoL in 1 game
On April 16 2012 23:19 Equity213 wrote: If the SC2 crowd is too immature for you then you had better just give up now, because we are as high brow as your gunna find.
You have no idea what you're talking about, really. It doesn't get much worse than SC2's community, except for CoD and such, a lot of "less popular" games have fantastic communities. Team Liquid keeps people in line overall, but on this thread alone you can see that a large part of this community is as rotten as most others. Difference is, you don't know/don't hear of the "good" communities much because they're not doing a lot of drama and don't have as much exposure.
You must be new to the internet and online gaming if you think SC2's community is on the worse end of the spectrum.
I sometimes get annoyed at some inane shit you read on TL or reddit or whatever, but that's more the nature of forums then a proper representation of the community. Seriously, the sc2 community overall has been the most pleasant community i've ever been a part of, and i've been part of quite a few.
On April 17 2012 00:27 aycheff wrote: LoL will be better for him, much easier game to cast since you really don't need to know much. He can probably pick up most things that happen in LoL in 1 game
As someone who has tried to watch a pro LoL match, I feel that the exact opposite is true. I have no idea what the commentators are talking about 95% of the time.
On April 16 2012 23:19 Equity213 wrote: If the SC2 crowd is too immature for you then you had better just give up now, because we are as high brow as your gunna find.
You have no idea what you're talking about, really. It doesn't get much worse than SC2's community, except for CoD and such, a lot of "less popular" games have fantastic communities. Team Liquid keeps people in line overall, but on this thread alone you can see that a large part of this community is as rotten as most others. Difference is, you don't know/don't hear of the "good" communities much because they're not doing a lot of drama and don't have as much exposure.
You must be new to the internet and online gaming if you think SC2's community is on the worse end of the spectrum.
I think it's safe to assume that he hasn't played Heroes of Newerth.
I think so, or any Xbox live game for that matter XD
Anyways, GL Moletrap! I hope the LOL community welcomes you!
I always though this casting was ok. Nothing special though ... dont get me wrong hes probalby way above average but just doesnt have what khaldor and wolf have.
TBH - and yes i get that this is heresy - but the archon seem to be a bit flat even atm.
Yeha Moletrap always struck me as the kind of guy you dont mind knowing your family. All the best.
On April 17 2012 00:28 aka_star wrote: further evidence SC2 is dead and LoL is taking over
Thank GOD you showed up. Please spread more wisdom?
I hope Moletrap has a blast, he's a great caster, and LoL is a good game that in my opinion could use a real go-to guy like him to cast lots of stuff. Best of luck.
I honestly feel like Moletrap is a pretty awesome caster that was bashed and under appreciated for no reason. I wish him the best of luck with LOL i will never forget the "THE Nukes gonna land on his armyyyyyyyyyyy" cast.
I watched OGN Champion Springs regularly and I love Moletrap casting LoL. Hes really good at it, LoL is the game for you Moletrap! Best of luck in the future!!
Not unexpected at all. Even though I really didn´t like moletraps casting and I am happy he left gom, I'll probably miss him for some akward reason.. well GL with LoL moletrap!
Honestly his LoL casting really isn't that great, I thought he did a decent job casting GSL stuff even though he had some awkward moments. I thought his SC knowledge was decent, not as bad as people were complaining about, but he doesn't seem to have a clue about LoL. =/ But then again it's a newer e-sport so I don't think a lot of people do, won't take as long to learn either because it's not as complex.
I'm going to be honest here. I didn't like his casting; I didn't like the fact that when he started casting the game he knew nothing and he made zero effort to improve his game knowledge; I didn't like his voice; I still don't like it; I didn't like the fact the he prefered to talk bullshit and that didn't concern him at all; one good thing he did was that he denied me from watching more GSL, this I had more time to do productive things, thanks Moletrap and good luck.
On April 17 2012 00:27 aycheff wrote: LoL will be better for him, much easier game to cast since you really don't need to know much. He can probably pick up most things that happen in LoL in 1 game
Biggest crock of shite I've ever read. Well played.
On April 16 2012 20:15 Tobblish wrote: Now we only need TB to switch so Apollo can have a great co caster.
You realise this bullshit only makes me want to piss you off more right?
You don't get a say in who casts with who and this thread I might add is fucking disgusting. It needs a big bold mod message tagged onto the top of it.
On April 17 2012 00:56 Joseph123 wrote: I'm going to be honest here. I didn't like his casting; I didn't like the fact that when he started casting the game he knew nothing and he made zero effort to improve his game knowledge; I didn't like his voice; I still don't like it; I didn't like the fact the he prefered to talk bullshit and that didn't concern him at all; one good thing he did was that he denied me from watching more GSL, this I had more time to do productive things, thanks Moletrap and good luck.
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
On April 17 2012 00:56 Joseph123 wrote: I'm going to be honest here. I didn't like his casting; I didn't like the fact that when he started casting the game he knew nothing and he made zero effort to improve his game knowledge; I didn't like his voice; I still don't like it; I didn't like the fact the he prefered to talk bullshit and that didn't concern him at all; one good thing he did was that he denied me from watching more GSL, this I had more time to do productive things, thanks Moletrap and good luck.
What a coincidence! Posts like this deny me from surfing TL more, giving me more time to do productive things.
On April 17 2012 01:02 SplashMorTaL wrote: Not going to lie you won't be missed but best of luck in the future.
Dick.
A lot of people liked Moletrap. I always did. Yeah he wasn't the greatest caster, but he was a genuine guy who did a lot of work for the community, and he has always been orders of magnitude better than freaking Khaldor.
On April 16 2012 20:15 Tobblish wrote: Now we only need TB to switch so Apollo can have a great co caster.
You realise this bullshit only makes me want to piss you off more right?
You don't get a say in who casts with who and this thread I might add is fucking disgusting. It needs a big bold mod message tagged onto the top of it.
People think they can just say it like that, and still thinking that they are making a actual point are just retarded. U shoudn't even pay attention to them TB, ur a great caster.
OT : Sad, I really like'd him as a caster, but if hes going to cast LoL thats fine, it's his life and he should do w/e he want.
I might consider a GSL ticket now. Seriously, I am glad he is gone; that whiny voice combined with random bursts of noise and a lack of knowledge turned me off hardcore.
On April 17 2012 01:02 SplashMorTaL wrote: Not going to lie you won't be missed but best of luck in the future.
Dick.
A lot of people liked Moletrap. I always did. Yeah he wasn't the greatest caster, but he was a genuine guy who did a lot of work for the community, and he has always been orders of magnitude better than freaking Khaldor.
Good luck Moletrap!
You just told a guy he's a dick for softly bashing Moletrap, then you proceed to softly bash Khaldor. I'll agree that neither is a great caster but good luck, Moletrap.
It is well known for some time now that Moletrap has been getting a lot of guff on the Gom forums.
It isn't stated exactly why he left but my guess would be that his contract had expired and he suspect Gom would not renew the contract so during his former contract while still working under Gom he worked out a deal of some sort with OGN.
I really enjoyed moletrap casting for GOM. He has an unique personality, he is fun to listen to and most importantly knows how to be a show host and not just a game commentator. He is one of those people that will say whatever is on their mind no matter how random it is - which I personally find quite entertaining. Good luck in the future.
Didn't really enjoy his casting. Good Luck to him at OGN. Hopefully this is not a trend though. Would hate to see more casters making the switch to LOL because right now it's the more popular game.
By looking at the LoL vod comments, the community respects knowledgeable casters (like Phreak), and hates casters with poor knowledge, who just shout mindlessly. The only thing different is he doesn't have a vocal minority supporting him because "he used to cast bw from his car".
Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
His casting as of late was more poor than it had been in previous seasons. I repeatedly saw him on air doing things like checking his phone or being completely distracted and losing his place in the conversation. Khaldor is a much better co-caster with Wolf and I far preferred when those two would do the casting.
On April 16 2012 18:14 tomatriedes wrote: It would be cool if Apollo went to replace him but he's probably got enough going on in Europe.
Agree. Would be awesome with Apollo in GSL. He's one of the absolute smartest casters out there.
Well, Apollo just moved to Sweden, i'm not sure if he wants to move again. However, having him cast GSL would still be awesome. I'm thinking (or rather dreaming) Artosis and Apollo for analysis and TB as high energy play-by-play in a casting trio. Won't ever happen
Yes Artosis + Apollo would be awesome. And Khaldor instead of TB.
Moletrap seems to like Broodwar more than SC2, I always felt that he uses his SC2 job as a proxy to live in Korea and watch OSL's / MSL's / Starleagues imo. He's just climbing up the ranks in OGN to cast English commentary in Broodwar soon!
Moletrap's definitely a passionate person given his history in casting Broodwar. But that Torch guy looks straight up like an opportunist to me, as if he'll quit his LoL job to cast DOTA 2 in a heartbeat when he becomes irrelevant in LoL
<3 You Noah! You're a great guy and I hope that your adventures casting LoL are as awesome as your your time in Starcraft. Keep up the good work buddy!
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
Flat meta? Have you watched any pro LoL in the last 6 months? The changes are astounding.
On April 16 2012 18:36 Ketch wrote: Highlight of Moletrap at GSL: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncdu5OFGJOk
Thank you for this. It's been a while since I heard moletrap and I was having a hard time remembering why I didn't like his casting. I remember now though...
It's a great opportunity for him and I wish him the best of luck, but I'd be lying if I said I was anything less than ecstatic about him leaving Gom.
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
Flat meta? Have you watched any pro LoL in the last 6 months? The changes are astounding.
Jesus man these forums are fucking terrible.
Ain't lol wc3tft with only 1 hero and no other units and no base/basebuilding either?
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
Flat meta? Have you watched any pro LoL in the last 6 months? The changes are astounding.
I will not really miss him to be honest. His style is not the style I prefer. However I want to be clear about that I still admire him for what he has done for the scene. He did more for esports in a day than I can do in a year.
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
Flat meta? Have you watched any pro LoL in the last 6 months? The changes are astounding.
Jesus man these forums are fucking terrible.
Ain't lol wc3tft with only 1 hero and no other units and no base/basebuilding either?
Sounds hard indeed.
Make buildings and stuff will come out of it. Sounds like Sims.
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
TB, just keep doing what you do. People think they want to hear SOTG every time they watch SC2.
No offense to Moletrap as a person or anything, but his casting annoyed the hell out of me: I actually stopped watching code A when he was casting. Every time he insulted a player I wanted to strangle him.
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
TB, just keep doing what you do. People think they want to hear SOTG every time they watch SC2.
Lol SotG. Could you not have found a better example than this one? :D
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
The main thing is that even the play by play guys usually have a deep understanding of the game. That's really something a bit unique to starcraft 2 though. It's very difficult to really get some things that happen without having experienced it yourself. I'd say you're one of the better casters (even taking into account analysts) recently with not making shitty calls or talking out of their asses when something happens.
Anyway I'm mad that Moletrap is casting LoL. It's like we're starting back at the beginning with a caster with nearly 0 game knowledge who prefers yelling over speaking intelligently. The lack of a good analytical commentator at OGN for LoL is sad.
Methinks ban incoming for this guy ^^. Anyway, I must say I found myself avoiding code A due to his casting. I enjoy Wolf, and find Khaldor OK. If the rumor is true that Artosis will be casting code A while the position is filled, then I am very excited!
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
Flat meta? Have you watched any pro LoL in the last 6 months? The changes are astounding.
Jesus man these forums are fucking terrible.
Ain't lol wc3tft with only 1 hero and no other units and no base/basebuilding either?
Sounds hard indeed.
Yeah MY game... terrible thing. It is sad that he is going as he has been casting bw... But to be onest i avoided code A a lot and i still prefer nukes casts over his on youtube if it centers around bw.
Why the hell are we hearing this from Khaldor? It sounds like Moletrap didn't want the news getting out yet from his twitter.. That was a pretty dick move by him. Well it was pretty apparent that they didn't like each other.. still.. there should be a little bit more professional courtesy.
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
Flat meta? Have you watched any pro LoL in the last 6 months? The changes are astounding.
Jesus man these forums are fucking terrible.
Ain't lol wc3tft with only 1 hero and no other units and no base/basebuilding either?
Sounds hard indeed.
Sigh. As I said before, this forum is disgusting. And its getting worse.
WP.
Moletrap, do what you enjoy mate and good luck to you.
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
I haven't laddered or taken playing SC2 seriously in months but it still shocks me often when I watch games and the caster seems to know less than me, like not understanding opening builds that have existed for over a year. I don't particularly like having someone explain to me what's happening right in front of me, but whatever, I'm just bummed that nothing has seemed to evolved with casters' knowledge of the game.
On April 17 2012 02:15 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Moletrap making the switch before KeSPAs OGN SC2 league kills GOMtv once again and he will be the sole caster for english commentary in korea!
and then all my interest in SC2 will be gone for good.
not sure why he switched to be honest. people liked his casting i thought? and by all accounts he doesnt know much about lol ;D
You don't need to know a lot about LoL to sound intelligent about LoL, its a very flat game in terms of meta game and the for the first 15mins he doesn't have to talk about something about the game because of the laning phase lol.
Flat meta? Have you watched any pro LoL in the last 6 months? The changes are astounding.
Jesus man these forums are fucking terrible.
Ain't lol wc3tft with only 1 hero and no other units and no base/basebuilding either?
Sounds hard indeed.
Sigh. As I said before, this forum is disgusting. And its getting worse.
WP.
Moletrap, do what you enjoy mate and good luck to you.
First of all, this is a SC2 forum, buddy. I'm not a very competitive MOBA player, but my friends who are just hate LoL for a lot of things, one of which is lack of different strats. I mean Hon is pretty crappy, and made even crappier by the new heroes they've been making, but I'd still value it over LoL.
On April 17 2012 02:13 thepuppyassassin wrote: Why the hell are we hearing this from Khaldor? It sounds like Moletrap didn't want the news getting out yet from his twitter.. That was a pretty dick move by him. Well it was pretty apparent that they didn't like each other.. still.. there should be a little bit more professional courtesy.
while I understand the desire to control information relating to one's self from becoming public, I honestly don't see what Khaldor did that big of a deal
it's known that Moletrap hasn't casted a GOM SC2 match in a while and has been casting the OGN LoL games in english
I honestly expect Moletrap to also become OGN's english caster for BW/SC2 matches if Proleague changes to that format
best of luck to you! i agree that he is not the best bw or sc2 caster, but we as a community failed on him a lot more than he failed in the casts! all the insults and offendings towards him do not show us as a grown up bunch of sports lovers, but rather as a bunch of immature trolls! there was a time where you could read through the comment section during a vod on gomtv.net without getting spoilers whatsoever. the only topic was that moletrap is this or mt is that. i don't even mind the people who said that they felt his speeding up and pitching up his voice at times seemed fake. i don't mind people who criticized his off comments or him being harsh on players. and i do agree that showing up late to a cast is unprofessional. but insulting people is a no go. tons of threads were created on gom, many had to be closed by gom as they were just opened for offending purposes. the way mt was treated by parts of the community was a disgrace for esports- again criticizing is ok but cussing out people is a no go. at the beginning when he first showed up i didn't like him at all. i skipped many code a games of unknown players at that time and only watched code a or up and down matches when players like mvp, genius, mc and jinro played, due to mt. i even bought the premium ticket without ads to watch the korean code a stream. but after all that bashing, which lasted for almost a year, i started to feel for that guy. after all he went to korea to pursue his dream.
if anything you were one of the reasons for me to start learning korean, so i wish you the best of luck for your future noah kalb! 감사합니다!
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
I haven't laddered or taken playing SC2 seriously in months but it still shocks me often when I watch games and the caster seems to know less than me, like not understanding opening builds that have existed for over a year. I don't particularly like having someone explain to me what's happening right in front of me, but whatever, I'm just bummed that nothing has seemed to evolved with casters' knowledge of the game.
So he may seem to know less than you in your opinion, but yet people enjoy his play by play and therefore enjoy his casting. Not everyone enjoys analytical casting and believe it or not you need to have play-by-play casters to compliment the analytical ones. Game knowledge isn't a recipe for a good caster. It's much more complex than that and Husky is a good example, he did not have good knowledge at the start but yet he has bought so many people to this game just because of his Play-by-play commentary.
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
I know Moletrap really liked having the opportunity to cast on the OGN stage when he got the chance once for Starcraft. I think he'll like it there now. Good pickup by OGN and good luck to you Moletrap!
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
Its like the example he gave just kinda.... woooosh
on topic: Considering his long history with his BW channel on YouTube, then switched to casting SC2 in Korea and now onto LoL I'm kind of hurt by how sudden this all seems D;
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
Best of luck to Moletrap. I always liked the guy and thought his casting was fine. I always felt bad for how the community treated him and can't blame him for moving on.
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
If or when you're gone people will be saying the same things about you as they are right now about moletrap. If you believe me to be only a tiny minority then I guess it's no wonder you sleep well.
On April 17 2012 02:15 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Moletrap making the switch before KeSPAs OGN SC2 league kills GOMtv once again and he will be the sole caster for english commentary in korea!
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
Hey TB, I enjoyed your casting yesterday. Keep it up!
(just felt the need to neutralize a hater. Now I can sleep tight as well)
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
If or when you're gone, people will be saying the same things about you as they are right now about moletrap.
What bad mouthing him or wishing him good luck in his new endeavors?
TB is a ok guy just super opionated from his expirences in these scenes. DJwheat rants atleast are funny sometimes
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
If or when you're gone people will be saying the same things about you as they are right now about moletrap. If you believe me to be only a tiny minority then I guess it's no wonder you sleep well.
As he said, cold hard numbers. Shoutcraft viewership disproves what you are saying. Regardless of TB's casting knowledge, people still want him at events and want to watch events he is at.
Also to the guy saying this is a SC2 forum - no shit. Doesn't mean people have to bm games they know nothing about. I don't care if your friends play other MOBA's, doesn't make you right.
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
It must be somewhat valuable since you decided to comment on it.
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
It must be somewhat valuable since you decided to comment on it.
If you never respond to stuff you yourself think is complete bullshit, then you don't want the silent readership of a website being fed nothing but that. Because some people will be convinced by that and thus it's better to voice your opinion on crap from time to time.
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
It must be somewhat valuable since you decided to comment on it.
It's always like that with TB, he always answers to random comments he then quotes as "invaluable". I'm surprised he's always there when someone dares to say that he knows little about the game he casts. He's so defensive about it...makes the critics all the more true if you feel like you have to respond to them.
While not one of my favorite casters, at least TB doesn't try to call things when there is a co-caster with him (which should always be the case), like Moletrap did. I remember when TB was predicting forge fast expands against Terran, not so long ago, but he really improved on that.
I still like the "non-SC2" things he's doing much more tbh :D (like the gameplay videos on GW2's beta)
Never minded him but hopefully this opens up the spot for someone legitimately good. I disliked his lack of game knowledge, tendency to talk over his partner, and derogatory manner towards extremely good players who spend all day playing, but he had alot of energy so.
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
If or when you're gone people will be saying the same things about you as they are right now about moletrap. If you believe me to be only a tiny minority then I guess it's no wonder you sleep well.
I think comparing Moletrap and TB is pretty unfair. We'd be missing out on quite a few tournaments if TB wasn't in the scene each year, not to mention the fact he pays players pretty damn well, and sets nice standards for players. Some people don't like TB style, personally I really don't mind it. He knows his place very well and him and Apollo make for a very good well rounded casting duo.
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
Hey TB, I enjoyed your casting yesterday. Keep it up!
(just felt the need to neutralize a hater. Now I can sleep tight as well)
Please keep this thread on-topic. This is not a thread about TB's casting ability.
Sad day for me, probably my favorite code A caster.
I never quite understand the caster hate on this site... I personally have enjoyed every caster that has gone through GOM so far (I thought Kelly was awesome as well). For me, I just like a constant rotation to keep things fresh. One 4 hour broadcast is usually enough time for me to start looking forward to a different set of casters.
While Moletrap may not have known the most about the game.. I'll miss him running circles around Khaldor in the humor department (not always Khaldor's fault.. as often times a joke would be meant for an American audience) and watching Moletrap trying to hold back as best he can to not make fun of him. When he did though, it made for great entertainment.
I also consider Moletrap one of the pioneers to consistently bring stats into the cast when needed.
On April 17 2012 03:12 DeAnconia wrote: Sad day for me, probably my favorite code A caster.
I never quite understand the caster hate on this site... I personally have enjoyed every caster that has gone through GOM so far (I thought Kelly was awesome as well). For me, I just like a constant rotation to keep things fresh. One 4 hour broadcast is usually enough time for me to start looking forward to a different set of casters.
While Moletrap may not have known the most about the game.. I'll miss him running circles around Khaldor in the humor department (not always Khaldor's fault.. as often times a joke would be meant for an American audience) and watching Moletrap trying to hold back as best he can to not make fun of him. When he did though, it made for great entertainment.
I also consider Moletrap one of the pioneers to consistently bring stats into the cast when needed.
It baffles me that anyone could tolerate Kelly, let alone think she was "awesome." I thought Moletrap was grating, but he was still miles above Kelly in my books.
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world.
Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future
EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene.
On April 17 2012 02:28 mads wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Even the play-by-play commentators in mainstream sports have a deep understanding of the game. They live and breathe whatever game they commentate on. You, very clearly, do not.
I have to mute everything you cast and that's really frustrating.
You know what helps me sleep at night? Knowing that voices like yours are a tiny vocal minority of unpleasant individuals. Nothing helps one sleep at night more than cold hard numbers and facts. For every person like you, there are many more than think the exact opposite.
It's not like the criticism of someone who doesn't even listen to my casts is valuable.
If or when you're gone people will be saying the same things about you as they are right now about moletrap. If you believe me to be only a tiny minority then I guess it's no wonder you sleep well.
As he said, cold hard numbers. Shoutcraft viewership disproves what you are saying. Regardless of TB's casting knowledge, people still want him at events and want to watch events he is at.
Also to the guy saying this is a SC2 forum - no shit. Doesn't mean people have to bm games they know nothing about. I don't care if your friends play other MOBA's, doesn't make you right.
Do you have anything to say other than "I'm right, you're wrong"? Your posts about LoL have no substance.
On April 17 2012 02:10 Whitewing wrote: I'm so glad that he's not casting code A anymore.
No offense to Moletrap as a person or anything, but his casting annoyed the hell out of me: I actually stopped watching code A when he was casting. Every time he insulted a player I wanted to strangle him.
You wanted to strangle him but you mean no offense? You stop watching code A altogether instead of just turning the volume down?
Nice, I'm really happy to see him go away from SC2. Sorry lol but I feel like there's a lot of more talented Starcraft 2 players and casters that deserve the opportunity he had a lot more.
That being said now that I will probably be able to watch Code A matches without having to mute them, when will I find the time to catch up on new music...
(Kinda off topic but still, Moletrap was a caster whose "problems" can be identified in TB as well)
TB likes to always mention this "play-by-play/analyst" separation, but it really sounds like an excuse to me. In SC2 the scene has not evolved so much that this clear distinction exists. A pure analyst would be someone like IdrA, but there isn't a regular caster like him yet. Most guys I would consider as "analysts" (like Artosis, Day9, Wolf, BitterdaM...) are coincidentally enough also great play-by-play commentators (for my standards at least).
I have a feeling that sometimes TB considers himself as a sort of play-by-play god and prides himself on not knowing much about SC2 other than the names of the units and spells, but really if you're passionate enough about SC2 (like all the names I've mentioned), you can be great at both describing and analyzing...
And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world.
Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future
EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene.
you talk crap about him, but he got a point exetly, the most ppl who are watching don't realy care about what the 5% think that are watching, but the 95% and that are normaly the lower level of players, and if your a person who can make it simple and understandable in a deep and complex game you got most of the time a good connection with the lower level of players. so they will stay populair.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
TB is good comic relief, but it gets old fast, sorry homie. GL to Moletrap, I've known of him since SC2GG but I never enjoyed his casting style. Cholera, Diggity and Rise was where it's at. Where's Cholera?? LoL is taking over E-Sports guys, let's face it. =D
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him.
I'm slightly disappointed. Moletrap's knowledge of SC2 was sufficient such that he could cast informatively and explain things to a casual audience. On the other hand, when I watch him cast LoL he doesn't have enough game knowledge to understand why certain champions were picked (AoE team comps vs poke comps vs split pushing comps). He has a tendency of scream "OH WILL HE GET AWAY?!!" when it's obvious they aren't getting out (they burn flash, are stuck mid-river out from tower against jungler + laner and jungler has red buff). I'm sitting at ~1550s so I might be a little on the elitist side but I'm pretty sure even those at 1300s can see why I mute the stream/VoDs. Moletrap's casting adds very little to what I can already see happening.
How hard is it to just wish someone the best in what they do next in life? Even if you really disliked someone's casting style, how hard would it be to accept them moving on, take it for what it is and move on with your life and let them do the same?
A lot of people are doing this in this thread, both those who liked Moletrap and those who did not. Yet we have others who just have to throw a last 'fuck you, thank god you are gone' to a guy that may or may not have been the best around, but did something he loved and is now moving on.
The fans can be sad that he left and say their good byes. The non-fans do not have to be aggressive about it, if they are happy that he is now casting LoL then surely that knowledge and getting their way is enough to put a smile on their faces? Gloating was never once required.
And finally then we have the good old drama coming out concerning a different caster with next to no relevance to the one being discussed with throwing shit at them as well. And it all goes downhill from there.
Moletrap, I hope you will continue to enjoy Korea and I hope you enjoy what you are doing. Thank you for your work at GomTV and good luck at OGN.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
One caster who was already doing LoL part time for over a month now decides to switch to casting LoL.
Time to put on the tinfoil hats!
Really?
Who else is one of the many described in your post? Fruitdealer?
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world.
Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future
EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene.
you talk crap about him, but he got a point exetly, the most ppl who are watching don't realy care about what the 5% think that are watching, but the 95% and that are normaly the lower level of players, and if your a person who can make it simple and understandable in a deep and complex game you got most of the time a good connection with the lower level of players. so they will stay populair.
i realy hope he does well in ogn btw^^
I really question that 95% want play-by-play. Casuals want the casting to be funny and entertaining, and telling people what's happening in front of their faces are neither of those things. And often times these casters are just wrong about what they say when they try to make it "simple and understandable", which doesn't appeal to anyone.
On April 17 2012 03:38 Chill wrote: It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him.
Is this a kind way of saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out"? :p
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world.
Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future
EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene.
you talk crap about him, but he got a point exetly, the most ppl who are watching don't realy care about what the 5% think that are watching, but the 95% and that are normaly the lower level of players, and if your a person who can make it simple and understandable in a deep and complex game you got most of the time a good connection with the lower level of players. so they will stay populair.
i realy hope he does well in ogn btw^^
I really question that 95% want play-by-play. Casuals want the casting to be funny and entertaining, and telling people what's happening in front of their faces are neither of those things. And often times these casters are just wrong about what they say when they try to make it "simple and understandable", which doesn't appeal to anyone.
Thankfully this discussion as it relates to TotalBiscuit can be answered for you personally in not tuning in to the ShoutCraft Invitationals and answered in general by looking at the numbers for that tournament. It is a fascinating little social experiment in StarCraft II. And perhaps, just perhaps we can all somehow just not bash one another.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
On April 17 2012 03:38 Chill wrote: It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him.
Is this a kind way of saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out"? :p
Not at all and I don't understand how you could possible infer that.
1. Moletrap is a better SC2 commentator than LoL 2. People shouldn't be so harsh 3. The community forced his hand. 4. I hope Moletrap and then community find a happy medium where everyone is satisfied.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
Destiny is still a Starcraft 2 player.
Fruitdealer was at the end of his playing career and became a coach.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
How about more than 3 for a start? And Fruit Dealer hasn't done anything in SC2 in forever. And Destiny still plays SC2 competitively and LoL for fun.
LoL is certainly bigger than SC2 but the competitive scene is smaller for now. Who knows if there will be a big crossover, but naming 2 people that have switched doesn't mean anything really.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
Yeah the prize money divided by 5 is a big incentive too.
Wow, from someone that followed him from his BW Youtube beginnings, I am quite shocked actually. I didn't even know he played LoL let alone cast it. He never casted any games on his Youtube channels either.
I am rather doubtful it was a case of higher salary. Even if OGN did offer more money, for a person like Moletrap to betray his passion for Starcraft... There had to be a higher reason.
Two reasons I see possible for moving to OGN for LoL:
1) He knows a majority or at least a very vocal minority of the SC2 community hates him a lot. So he decided to pack his bags and move to greener grass where he won't be heckled.
2) The more likely reason is that he hopes by working with OGN, even through LoL, it would give him a chance to cast Proleague or Starleague if they decided to start casting those games in English as well. For such a BW scene lover like Moletrap, that is truly a dream come true.
I don't like how he didn't make a formal announcement himself though. I felt like it was a bit dickish. Oh well
On April 16 2012 18:37 namedplayer wrote: what about Torch?
Torch was no surprise to me. I knew he played LoL a lot. Also his job at GOM was to be a foreign liaison but that was when GOM actually had a decent amount of foreigners in GSL. With the number of foreigners we have now, he probably didn't even have anything to do.
I think it's hard to say actually. It was a quiet transition from SC2 to LoL and at the same time, I'm not just 100% sold that the heckler situation would really have bothered Moletrap that much. He's professional...he knows there are going to be lovers and haters...there are people who complain about even Tastetosis...I think there had to be other reasons for Moletrap's transition, or rather, a combination of different reasons.
Because remember, he moved to Korea(together with his wife, btw) to cast SC2 - which was his dream, was it not? He made the dream come true - and with that, some other opportunities just seemed to have presented themselves along the way. Personally I think Moletrap is sending a shift...and made his choice. You know how it works guys. You always want to ride the wave whilst it's strong, and cash out at it's height, getting out cleanly before the crash.
thats sad, i really like him and khaldors casting for GOM. tbh, i preferred them to tastosis by a long shot. oh well, i hope he's happy where he is now, and good luck to all involved.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
Dang =/ I really liked his casting since the lonely BW days. Anyone else remember him casting an MSL or OSL finals in the back seat of his car while stealing internet from the college he was parked at? xD Those were the good ol' days.
On April 16 2012 18:50 RaiKageRyu wrote: From the GSL General dicussion thread that Khaldor confirmed, that I commented:
On April 16 2012 18:38 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Wow, from someone that followed him from his BW Youtube beginnings, I am quite shocked actually. I didn't even know he played LoL let alone cast it. He never casted any games on his Youtube channels either.
I am rather doubtful it was a case of higher salary. Even if OGN did offer more money, for a person like Moletrap to betray his passion for Starcraft... There had to be a higher reason.
Two reasons I see possible for moving to OGN for LoL:
1) He knows a majority or at least a very vocal minority of the SC2 community hates him a lot. So he decided to pack his bags and move to greener grass where he won't be heckled.
2) The more likely reason is that he hopes by working with OGN, even through LoL, it would give him a chance to cast Proleague or Starleague if they decided to start casting those games in English as well. For such a BW scene lover like Moletrap, that is truly a dream come true.
I don't like how he didn't make a formal announcement himself though. I felt like it was a bit dickish. Oh well
On April 16 2012 18:37 namedplayer wrote: what about Torch?
Torch was no surprise to me. I knew he played LoL a lot. Also his job at GOM was to be a foreign liaison but that was when GOM actually had a decent amount of foreigners in GSL. With the number of foreigners we have now, he probably didn't even have anything to do.
I think it's hard to say actually. It was a quiet transition from SC2 to LoL and at the same time, I'm not just 100% sold that the heckler situation would really have bothered Moletrap that much. He's professional...he knows there are going to be lovers and haters...there are people who complain about even Tastetosis...I think there had to be other reasons for Moletrap's transition, or rather, a combination of different reasons.
Because remember, he moved to Korea(together with his wife, btw) to cast SC2 - which was his dream, was it not? He made the dream come true - and with that, some other opportunities just seemed to have presented themselves along the way. Personally I think Moletrap is sending a shift...and made his choice. You know how it works guys. You always want to ride the wave whilst it's strong, and cash out at it's height, getting out cleanly before the crash.
You should probably wait for more than 4 people (made up of 1 player burnt out of StarCraft, 2 casters, and 1 player who you've claimed has switched or is switching but isn't) to declare a trend.
On April 17 2012 04:29 wptlzkwjd wrote: Dang =/ I really liked his casting since the lonely BW days. Anyone else remember him casting an MSL or OSL finals in the back seat of his car while stealing internet from the college he was parked at? xD Those were the good ol' days.
Yeah, I learnt to love professional Starcraft due to Moletrap and Diggity.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
The only people who ever liked Destiny were on /reddit/, but they hate him now and prefer Dragon. Destiny's stream numbers have been substantially declining and he took a huge drop when he switched to ow3nd. His tournament results have also been incredibly lacking. Destiny was never more than a minor figure in the community and now you would be hard pressed to argue he is even that.
Hmm there was speculation about this before, but I believe he said it was not the case. Maybe he changed his mind. Also someone said that he was casting it with Torch? Is that where Torch is as well?
Moletrap did a great job bringing us English commentaries of BW. He is one of my favorite casters of all time, and I am sad to see him leave. I'm very disappointed that many of you don't give him the credit that he deserves.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
The only people who ever liked Destiny were on /reddit/, but they hate him now and prefer Dragon. Destiny's stream numbers have been substantially declining and he took a huge drop when he switched to ow3nd. His tournament results have also been incredibly lacking. Destiny was never more than a minor figure in the community and now you would be hard pressed to argue he is even that.
No you are wrong. He is very well known in the SC2 community. Just because his stream numbers are dropping doesn't mean people are forgetting about him... that doesn't even make sense. Do you forget about players when you stop watching their stream? I would hope not, because otherwise that would be unfortunate.
Regardless, he fact is that if someone doesn't even know who Destiny is yet he is offering his opinion on Destiny anyway... it just looks stupid. It doesn't make his other points look credible when he doesn't even know who Destiny is, and he is willing to just make assumptions to prove a point.
On April 17 2012 01:29 MrLion wrote: Also, I think eventually the casters who are clueless about the game (like TB, etc) will disappear, once esports become more popular and standards are raised. 99% of casters in "real life" sports (like cricket) are those who are ex-sportsmen, and can explain the intricacies of the game.
Bullshit. As eSports becomes more popular play-by-play will be required even more. The hardcore who want analysis and nothing but will become marginalised just as they are in any other mainstream sports and that kind of content will be relegated to specialist shows. Cricket is a pretty terrible comparison, try sports like American Football or Soccer where there are plenty of professional commentators that never played the game. This is how it works - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_commentator
Note the guys in the picture, major Rugby commentators. One of them played at club level, one of them did not play at all, his background was in broadcasting, just like every other play-by-play sports commentator. Just one of many examples of exactly this team. Some of these guys are paid millions a year.
I just wanna point out as well that these same comments were being made back in the beta of 2010. "The play by play guys will fade away very soon". It never happened. As more and more people stop laddering (as we've seen by the shrinking number of leagues and active players on a season by season basis), we'll see even more demand for articulate play-by-play/analysis combos rather than hardcore analysis teams. Ex-players are less interested in learning how things work than active players who want to get better at the game.
You sound worse and worse the more I hear from you. Care to explain why cricket is a terrible comparison, or are you just plain ignorant? American football cannot even compete with cricket in terms of popularity in the world.
Your behaviour is pretty much the same as Moletrap. Just dismiss all criticism, and continue to believe what you believe. If you really believe speaking English is the only skill that is required to cast, then good luck for the future
EDIT: And, by the way I actually really like your style of casting. If you had great game knowledge like other pros/ex-pros, you will probably outshine almost every other caster in the scene.
you talk crap about him, but he got a point exetly, the most ppl who are watching don't realy care about what the 5% think that are watching, but the 95% and that are normaly the lower level of players, and if your a person who can make it simple and understandable in a deep and complex game you got most of the time a good connection with the lower level of players. so they will stay populair.
i realy hope he does well in ogn btw^^
I really question that 95% want play-by-play. Casuals want the casting to be funny and entertaining, and telling people what's happening in front of their faces are neither of those things. And often times these casters are just wrong about what they say when they try to make it "simple and understandable", which doesn't appeal to anyone.
Thankfully this discussion as it relates to TotalBiscuit can be answered for you personally in not tuning in to the ShoutCraft Invitationals and answered in general by looking at the numbers for that tournament. It is a fascinating little social experiment in StarCraft II. And perhaps, just perhaps we can all somehow just not bash one another.
No I don't watch ShoutCraft. And none of my friends do. They stopped watching any competitive SC2 so arguing what 95% of what casuals on these numbers is kinda pointless anyway.
People won't massively leave SC2 for LoL. Come on, it's fun to play, certainly, but it's way more casual. It just doesn't require as much mental efforts as SC and therefor less exciting too watch and less exciting to become good at. (too me anyway).
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
Your input is really great too! Thanks for the personal attacks! I can only wonder what you will resort to next
I never understood all of the negativity toward moletrap and generally liked his casting. He effectively is a color commentator - not an analyst and he generally did a good job at it. Even though he wasn't hired to play the analyst most criticized him as though he had been. Also the posters on the GOM boards are generally some of the most ignorant pieces of waste on the Internet, so if I were him I'd be glad to be leaving, especially if it's for greener pastures. GL
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Add Trump to the list as well. He's been streaming League for how long now? Maybe he's not "pro" but he was/is prominent.
Live Streams right here on TL tell the story alone. Right now I see:
[Dota2] Dendi [Dota2] mTw syndereN
It's not exclusively League of Legends that's gaining ground. It's the MOBA trend in general that's picking up. What does this mean for me?
I'm still going to watching GSL with my yearly pass. I'm still going to be playing SC2.
But I'm also going to be playing attention to what else is going on. I think some of you are simply going all red alert on this, when what the core message I'm saying is, keep your eyes and ears open...Moletrap is, like it or not, an agent from the industry...we need to watch the industry on how it evolves...
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
Your input is really great too! Thanks for the personal attacks! I can only wonder what you will resort to next
Personal attacks? Not really.
I agree with your post but really you are unaware of Destiny? D_K_night was either making a joke about Destiny or is also blissfully ignorant of him, as Destiny is still in the SC2 scene.
"Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch."
Apart from Destiny because he hasn't switched to LoL, please, carry on and name some more. I'll throw in Yellow for you as he has already been mentioned. Beyond those three, then please, carry on and list off some more names.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Add Trump to the list as well. He's been streaming League for how long now? Maybe he's not "pro" but he was/is prominent.
Live Streams right here on TL tell the story alone. Right now I see:
[Dota2] Dendi [Dota2] mTw syndereN
It's not exclusively League of Legends that's gaining ground. It's the MOBA trend in general that's picking up. What does this mean for me?
I'm still going to watching GSL with my yearly pass. I'm still going to be playing SC2.
But I'm also going to be playing attention to what else is going on. I think some of you are simply going all red alert on this, when what the core message I'm saying is, keep your eyes and ears open...Moletrap is, like it or not, an agent from the industry...we need to watch the industry on how it evolves...
I wonder about the draw to higher viewing numbers for casters/players. I routinely see Dendi pulling in 10k for dota2 and LoL streams surpassing 10k. Considering Destiny made a full time living off less than that it's enticing.
But is Dendi sharing the stream revenue with his team? Tournament prize money is divided by 5 for mobas. That won't matter for casters but players will be making less. Well assuming equal prize money per viewers, LoL would have to pull in 5x as many viewers.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Add Trump to the list as well. He's been streaming League for how long now? Maybe he's not "pro" but he was/is prominent.
Live Streams right here on TL tell the story alone. Right now I see:
[Dota2] Dendi [Dota2] mTw syndereN
It's not exclusively League of Legends that's gaining ground. It's the MOBA trend in general that's picking up. What does this mean for me?
I'm still going to watching GSL with my yearly pass. I'm still going to be playing SC2.
But I'm also going to be playing attention to what else is going on. I think some of you are simply going all red alert on this, when what the core message I'm saying is, keep your eyes and ears open...Moletrap is, like it or not, an agent from the industry...we need to watch the industry on how it evolves...
Trump was a featured streamer before featured streamers were progamers only, he's just a sc2 player who started playing league of legends, and it's not uncommon for people to switch the game they play if they get bored or tired of their current game.
In the pro industry no players have switched to become players, one commentator that I know of has switched. One player has retired and become a coach.
I understand your comments but really almost nothing has happened, when we see a Korean sc2 progamer switch to League of Legends you can start making these kinds of claims.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
The only people who ever liked Destiny were on /reddit/, but they hate him now and prefer Dragon. Destiny's stream numbers have been substantially declining and he took a huge drop when he switched to ow3nd. His tournament results have also been incredibly lacking. Destiny was never more than a minor figure in the community and now you would be hard pressed to argue he is even that.
No you are wrong. He is very well known in the SC2 community. Just because his stream numbers are dropping doesn't mean people are forgetting about him... that doesn't even make sense. Do you forget about players when you stop watching their stream? I would hope not, because otherwise that would be unfortunate.
Regardless, he fact is that if someone doesn't even know who Destiny is yet he is offering his opinion on Destiny anyway... it just looks stupid. It doesn't make his other points look credible when he doesn't even know who Destiny is, and he is willing to just make assumptions to prove a point.
That's all fine, I just want to interject a little regarding his stream number drop. If they have declined as much as stated, that's a big deal for Destiny actually. This is a guy who makes his living off of the stream. Supports his family and kid through that...
If people "aren't forgetting you", but aren't tuning in watch you...that doesn't pay the bills.
On April 17 2012 02:10 Whitewing wrote: I'm so glad that he's not casting code A anymore.
No offense to Moletrap as a person or anything, but his casting annoyed the hell out of me: I actually stopped watching code A when he was casting. Every time he insulted a player I wanted to strangle him.
You wanted to strangle him but you mean no offense? You stop watching code A altogether instead of just turning the volume down?
Will you do my taxes?
I said I mean no offense to him as a person, I'm sure he's a cool dude and a nice guy.
I just detested his casting.
A lot of people are comparing Moletrap to Totalbiscuit in this thread, but that's a bad comparison. Moletrap kept trying to do analysis in his casts and was consistently wrong. Totalbiscuit doesn't try to do analysis, he knows he doesn't know the game well enough to do it so he intentionally sticks to color commentary. Totalbiscuit's approach is a much better one to that style of casting: he focuses entirely on doing what he knows he can do and doesn't try to do something he can't and make an arse of himself.
Also, Totalbiscuit never calls the people playing "terrible" or "scrubs". Your job as a caster (especially a color commentator!) is to make the game as interesting as possible for people watching. You're trying to increase excitement and energy levels. Insulting the players does exactly the opposite of that. This is the most infuriating thing I can think of for a caster to do.
TB is leagues above Moletrap as a caster. He's more professional and more competent. Even though I personally prefer analytical casters and don't particularly enjoy listening to TB (simply because I don't like color commentary), I still understand the value of it when it's done well. I certainly don't get annoyed or angry when TB is casting like I did when Moletrap was casting.
Obviously it couldn't hurt TB to learn about the game a bit more, but I don't think he has the time right now, and he does a fine job without knowing anything, all things considered.
So thanks TB for providing an example of how to do color commentary well in SC2.
Good luck to Moletrap as well in the future, I just hope he stops insulting the people he's casting.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
Your input is really great too! Thanks for the personal attacks! I can only wonder what you will resort to next
Have you seen Yellow's LoL team play? I'd suggest going and doing so before spouting bullshit. Same with Fruitdealer, Startales LoL team are very good.
Fruitdealer may have got progressivley 'worse' but it probably had nothing to do with his own skill ceiling, just the fact he didn't enjoy the game and barely practiced. Hell we all know about the story at IEM (where he placed second) and was playing LoL in between his games.
This would be the meanest and best April Fool's prank ever if Khaldor just pulled one over on everyone. I don't think Khaldor's twitter is a terribly reliable source.
On April 17 2012 04:55 Gulzt wrote: People won't massively leave SC2 for LoL. Come on, it's fun to play, certainly, but it's way more casual. It just doesn't require as much mental efforts as SC and therefor less exciting too watch and less exciting to become good at. (too me anyway).
Some people left BW for SC2 (: isn't this the same case?
TBH I'm not a fan of moletrap's commentating in general. Having been a former high masters player and now roughly the equivalent of low masters in LoL, I just don't like his style. He tries too hard to analyze games he doesn't understand that in depth, so as a result he kinda puts me off. Can't think of any quotes in general, but basically it's a color commentator trying to do the analysis as well. Best of luck in casting LoL, and as LoL is more casual, you'll probably appeal to the masses, but I will most likely mute the stream while watching.
So he just gives like that, huh? I think its for the best... The fact that he left casting for another game means that he wasn't passionate as other casters(I.e. Sean, Dan and Nick). Which was already obvious, given his laziness to learn the game a bit more, to take in the feedback and produce something amazing from it. Unless he did and I didn't know of course, because I haven't watched every moletrap casting video. Being passionate for the game your casting is the foundation of casting. Really I have a bit of a feeling of betrayal, my knowledge and reasoning won't convince my psychological feelings about this.
Good Career choice. League of Legends sadly is going to take over the number 1 esport spot if it hasn't already. The only thing starcraft 2 has on it is sponsors other then that, theirs more money, more viewers, bigger community. Oh and LAN.
On April 17 2012 04:55 Gulzt wrote: People won't massively leave SC2 for LoL. Come on, it's fun to play, certainly, but it's way more casual. It just doesn't require as much mental efforts as SC and therefor less exciting too watch and less exciting to become good at. (too me anyway).
Some people left BW for SC2 (: isn't this the same case?
SC2 is a more modern game. Gotta live with your time. SC2 and LoL are pretty much the same generation of games.
Edit: Plus, SC2 is still a Blizzard RTS, like BW. I guess if Warcraft 4 were to come out tomorrow, quite a good number of SC2 people would indeed switch.
I'm a little frustrated with Moletrap's inclusion in OGN's LoL coverage. His game knowledge for LoL is pretty low. Really savvy move on his part though, OGN is massive exposure. Hopefully he keeps improving!
I guess we all know that his decision is influenced probably because of the money, correct? The fact that he moved to a game he knows less of. I'm not saying that is his reason, he might have other reasons; LoL might be a much more comfortable game for him.
On April 17 2012 03:22 D_K_night wrote: And guys...we should see this as a possible sign of things to come. To be truthful this is a trend that's already been happening for those of us who have been watching.
More and more players and commentators are making the switching to LoL. Moletrap is only just one of many...
It's a sign of things to come guys...
ok cya
I love you too.
Just calling it like I see it. You need to see the trends and adapt to them accordingly. Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch.
FruitDealer: Has progressively gotten worse and worse in SC2. This is his last ditch effort to remain in the eSports scene as he can no longer competetive in SC2. I love the guy and I love his part in SC2 history but this is the sad truth.
Destiny: I don't even know who this is: not important to me whatsoever that this guy is leaving. Is he that BM caster that has an amateur (non-professional) casting show?
Yellow: He failed at his run to get into Code A SC2 and decided the effort wasn't worth it. He instead chose LoL. Why did he do this is the question you are asking. I will tell you he is doing this because he couldn't succeed in SC2 with the amount of effort he feels like putting in. I am thinking he thinks this amount of effort will let him succeed in LoL.
MoleTrap: People didn't like him casting for GOM SC2. This was an issue for a year now. He finally decides to leave to cast elsewhere. Why the big conspiracy theories that "he sees into the future and sc2 is not there"?
Your comments on Destiny are hilarious, you are oblivious to one of the most prominent community members in SC2 and then act like your input means something, really good stuff.
Your input is really great too! Thanks for the personal attacks! I can only wonder what you will resort to next
Personal attacks? Not really.
I agree with your post but really you are unaware of Destiny? D_K_night was either making a joke about Destiny or is also blissfully ignorant of him, as Destiny is still in the SC2 scene.
"Destiny...FruitDealer...Moletrap...how many more names can we list off, who have made the switch."
Apart from Destiny because he hasn't switched to LoL, please, carry on and name some more. I'll throw in Yellow for you as he has already been mentioned. Beyond those three, then please, carry on and list off some more names.
The post I originally responded to was trying to point out that there is a trend of SC2 icons moving towards LoL. I posted as to why this is not a trend and that these icons moved to LoL because they were simply forced to. I'm not sure how you interpreted my post as proving this trend was true. I have no one to add to this list. I mentioned Yellow in there because someone had mentioned them in this context a couple posts back.
To clarify my position in this: All the people on the list were forced to play/cast LoL (besides Destiny which I don't know much about and have no inclination to find out more about as he is not permanently associated with a professional event) because of their recent lackluster results/popularity in SC2. I am firm on my position that this is not a trend. SC2 is not dying. LoL is a different game from SC2 just like CS. I do not see LoL's popularity threatening SC2 whatsoever. SC2 competition has been awesome in the past couple of months in tournaments like GSL and MLG.
I'm pretty sure all other casters liked him, specially the code A casters, because he attracted all the bad criticism and made them look good in comparison.
Now that Moletrap left, the new weakest link is Tasteless...
I have a feeling that Torch and Moletrap will be doing both LoL and SC2 casts for OGN when they start broadcasting it, what other english casters would be available? and there may be some bridging between GOM and OGN since both torch and moletrap have worked for GOM. At least I hope
I'm pretty sure all other casters liked him, specially the code A casters, because he attracted all the bad criticism and made them look good in comparison.
Now that Moletrap left, the new weakest link is Tasteless...
imo as long as tasteless is with artosis, he can't be the "weakest link." the two of them together are just too entertaining.
On April 16 2012 22:41 Holgerius wrote: For OGN? That's really cool.
Basically this, its really cool for him. I wonder if he ever imagined working for OGN one day back when he started doing commentary over the Korean OSL vods.
I didn't think you were a bad caster at all <3 It's too bad the people who had no problems Moletrap weren't as outspoken as the people who nitpicked at him.
I hope Moletrap does english commentary if OGN has an sc2 league. Just so I can hear more nerds here cry.
The amount of disrespect he gets here is unbelievable. It is fine if you dislike his commentating, but don`t have to be a douche about it. It is not like he stole your lunch money...damn.
On April 17 2012 06:44 mango_destroyer wrote: I hope Moletrap does english commentary if OGN has an sc2 league. Just so I can hear more nerds here cry.
The amount of disrespect he gets here is unbelievable. It is fine if you dislike his commentating, but don`t have to be a douche about it. It is not like he stole your lunch money...damn.
The amount of people with nothing else than spewing bile to contribute is rather staggering.
I dont get why people make it a point to point out others who have negative views about moletrap. As long as its not something downright stupid, people are entitled to their opinions on moletrap. Either post ur condolences or ur happiness and move on.
I actually liked moletrap's casting for LoL the one day I watched it. I did not particularly enjoy his casting for starcraft, but best of luck to him regardless.
On April 17 2012 06:44 mango_destroyer wrote: I hope Moletrap does english commentary if OGN has an sc2 league. Just so I can hear more nerds here cry.
The amount of disrespect he gets here is unbelievable. It is fine if you dislike his commentating, but don`t have to be a douche about it. It is not like he stole your lunch money...damn.
If you paid for a season ticket, but hate watching Code A becasue he casted it, he removed value from your ticket. If people pay to see quality casting and aren't getting it, they have a right to complain.
I enjoyed moletrap's casting. I really do not understand the hate people have for this or that person. It's possible to not like someone's casting, posts, etc without constantly bashing the person. I wish him well and admire him for doing what he loves.
On April 17 2012 02:15 1sz2sz3sz wrote: Moletrap making the switch before KeSPAs OGN SC2 league kills GOMtv once again and he will be the sole caster for english commentary in korea!
mother of god. Moletrap is a genius!
OGN only kills GOMtv if KESPA manages to take control of the Korean SC2 scene and pushes GOM out (doubt KESPA will be able to do this with SC2) like they did in BW and as long as GOM has Tastosis, GOM will remain the more viewed and appreciated league to foreigners
Adios, Moletrap! Thanks for casting at GOM, best of luck with LoL. I probably won't ever watch that cause i luv sc2, but if you really like LoL there's nothing wrong with that.
I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract. (If you haven't seen it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323846)
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
I enjoyed moletrap the most when he first started commentating BW games. Now that hes making a career of it, I'm not fan very much. Good luck in the future Moletrap !
On April 17 2012 07:54 baba1 wrote: I enjoyed moletrap the most when he first started commentating BW games. Now that hes making a career of it, I'm not fan very much. Good luck in the future Moletrap !
Same here.
It just seemed to me that his casting was way too forced at gom. He obviously lost his passion either because SC2 did not measure up to BW or because of his personal life.
I don't judge him for it though, I'm happy for his new career and hope him the best of luck.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
Quoting this because it's a good post. I agree heavily with it, and I think this is where most of Moletrap's 'hate' comes from. I think it's pretty commonly accepted that he knew considerably less about the game than most of his peers, but I don't fault him for that - there is a point where everyone knew very little about the game, right? But he did nothing to change that image, and kept going on as a 'clueless caster' which just made him so incredibly frustrating to listen to when he would say things that are just flat wrong, and myself as a lowly diamond player even knew it was wrong. Couple that with little things like always cutting off his co-caster to add nothing (he got better about this eventually), or personally irritating things (such as his voice, I don't fault him obviously because he can't control that, I just found it off putting) and it makes for a less enjoyable experience.
I wish the guy well as he obviously has passion for what he does, I just hope he realizes he still has room to grow.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
Perfectly said, great post. And I have to agree that Tasteless is starting to drop off, I mean, I love the guy, but it just feels like his level of casting right now is every bit the same as when he first started (if not perhaps slightly deteriorating). I don't know why, but the things he says are getting more and more bland - I feel like he literally echoes Artosis too often nowadays (rarely do we hear him have his own separate opinions), and uses the same phrases over and over again.
Anyways, back to topic, I wasn't a fan of moletrap, but I appreciate his efforts and what he tried to do for the community, hope he does better in LoL. Did he ever state the reason for leaving SC2? That's what I personally want to know the most~
I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
I couldn't have put it better myself, trying to improve is something that is way past due for a decent number of sc2 casters, still, I wish him the best of luck.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo)
to be honest, i have never seen a caster take any real criticism to heart. maybe i missed something, but most of the times i see one piece of criticism in one of those threads and it gets three pages of replies from rabid fans telling the person who posted the criticism that they are stupid and this caster is awesome and should never change eva! and the caster shows up maybe once every 300 pages to pop in and say:
"thanks guys! taking it all to heart! love you!"
moletrap does not have seven legions of rabid fans that will draw their internet swords and do battle anytime someone mentions a word of criticism. he has seventy legions of rabid anti-fans that will go to a constructive criticism thread and say:
"i don't like your voice. it's high and annoying. but you can't do anything about it, so... i just thought you should know that i hate your voice and hate your casting."
so i don't agree with this point at all. constructive criticism threads are useless in my opinion. you will get maybe three posts of actually worthwhile criticism and a barrel full of trolls that either stroke your ego or flame the hell out of you. besides what really worthwhile criticism can he glean from these threads? "moar game knowledge!" uhh... ok how is that useful?
I am happy, but I didn't dislike Moletrap personally, he seemed like a decent guy. His casting was off-putting because he was so bad with other casters, I honestly think he's an excellent solo caster.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo)
to be honest, i have never seen a caster take any real criticism to heart. maybe i missed something, but most of the times i see one piece of criticism in one of those threads and it gets three pages of replies from rabid fans telling the person who posted the criticism that they are stupid and this caster is awesome and should never change eva! and the caster shows up maybe once every 300 pages to pop in and say:
"thanks guys! taking it all to heart! love you!"
moletrap does not have seven legions of rabid fans that will draw their internet swords and do battle anytime someone mentions a word of criticism. he has seventy legions of rabid anti-fans that will go to a constructive criticism thread and say:
"i don't like your voice. it's high and annoying. but you can't do anything about it, so... i just thought you should know that i hate your voice and hate your casting."
so i don't agree with this point at all. constructive criticism threads are useless in my opinion. you will get maybe three posts of actually worthwhile criticism and a barrel full of trolls that either stroke your ego or flame the hell out of you. besides what really worthwhile criticism can he glean from these threads? "moar game knowledge!" uhh... ok how is that useful?
I disagree. There are many casters that have improved. While not everyone has had a dedicated thread about them, they get feedback in random forums and whatnot and almost always see it even if they don't reply.
Painuser is one example. When I first saw him, he was easily the worst caster, unless you played terran. He looooved talking about terran, observing the terran, and didn't have much knowledge about anything else. But (races, maps, players, scene) over time he has rectified it so his recent IPL cast was at least bearable. HD's casting has been discussed to death so I'll leave that alone, even though I enjoy him more than Painuser
Khaldor is similar, when I first heard him, I thought ugh, why... But over a span of months he developed his mannerisms and way of speaking into a better, more analytical caster. They really do try to not say all of the "buzz-words" and whatnot You probably don't notice, and I don't mean that in a rude way. It's easy to not pick out areas of improvement (And I am in no way saying that these casters are objectively good) but really, they really do listen- i am almost sure of that.
Gotta love how TeamLiquid Nazi bigots ban people who rightly have a just opinion on someones casting ability. Good Riddance to MoleTrap he brought the entertainment experience to all time low for GSL Code A/GSTL watchers.
Also he was condescending to the players after almost every match Even though he himself barely plays SC2.
Gotta love that dick sucking old boys club.
Never Change
Mission accomplished here i talked to MoleCrap in the Gom Chat months ago about my campaign to get him fired and he laughed at me
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo)
to be honest, i have never seen a caster take any real criticism to heart. maybe i missed something, but most of the times i see one piece of criticism in one of those threads and it gets three pages of replies from rabid fans telling the person who posted the criticism that they are stupid and this caster is awesome and should never change eva! and the caster shows up maybe once every 300 pages to pop in and say:
"thanks guys! taking it all to heart! love you!"
moletrap does not have seven legions of rabid fans that will draw their internet swords and do battle anytime someone mentions a word of criticism. he has seventy legions of rabid anti-fans that will go to a constructive criticism thread and say:
"i don't like your voice. it's high and annoying. but you can't do anything about it, so... i just thought you should know that i hate your voice and hate your casting."
so i don't agree with this point at all. constructive criticism threads are useless in my opinion. you will get maybe three posts of actually worthwhile criticism and a barrel full of trolls that either stroke your ego or flame the hell out of you. besides what really worthwhile criticism can he glean from these threads? "moar game knowledge!" uhh... ok how is that useful?
It depends on what they do with the feedback. That's why the desire to improve is the first and foremost important thing if you are even going to create a feedback thread. I agree if you have no desire to improve, a feed back thread will only serve to make you feel bad through flames and ego stroke through fans that don't understand a feedback thread is not purely a fan club thread. But to say it's useless because the majority of posts will be worthless you might as well say almost any internet forum is useless then.
If they, like I said, "sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism" whether fans or anti fans or w/e jump on the criticism doesn't matter so long as they make use of it. I don't think wolf, khaldor or husky are dumb, so I don't think will they will listen to the people that say "you should never change eva!", and I don't think their feedback threads are purely for ego stroking either I think they really do have a desire to improve and at the very least a feedback thread shows you are looking to do that.
I won't sell moletrap short, he did improve on not running people over as much in casts so it's not like he's oblivious. I do however think it was mostly he didn't want to annoy his fellow casters/friends(he seems like a nice guy afterall) that motivated him not a desire to improve his own casting because not much else changed and this was over a pretty long period of time. In the same period I saw wolf grow into what I would consider a top foreigner caster atm.
As for the criticism he can glean? Much in the same way posting a help me thread in sc2 strategy forum will mostly net you stupid responses, there's still a good chance someone will post something really worthwhile that can help you improve, and a couple will give you a few little things you can improve on that you may have never noticed yourself. Also the same is the desire to improve being the most important thing, my point was never that feedback threads are what improves casters, it was that it showed a DESIRE to improve, and is a tool that can help.
The criticism I posted in what eventually became moletraps sort of unofficial feedback thread(basically where most people came to bash moletrap) was this: + Show Spoiler +
"While I personally don't really like DJ wheat that much I can still recognize him as a quality hype caster because he doesn't try to over analyze what he doesn't know, he does what he's good at to increase the entertainment value of the cast and for the most part that's play by play.
The reason I find Moletrap frequently annoying is for the same reason I'd feel annoyed if I saw someone commentating professional hold em poker and saying that a player shouldn't play suited 89 spades because the last 3 flops have been all diamond/ hearts and high cards. It's not just a lack of knowledge it's misleading the viewers that don't know any better.
I addressed what I thought was his main weakness, I avoided general statements like "more game knowledge" while still showing how a lack of game knowledge can be annoying/detrimental to viewers and gave an example of a caster with similar strengths and weaknesses that I believe could be a role model for improvement.
When there is no way to offer feedback / the caster doesn't show a desire to improve what can people that are not happy with his performance do? You can't offer him advice to help improve, all you can do is complain and hope he disappears or learn to live with it(muting stream). Much in the same way you can't improve if you don't think about your actions, you won't improve if you think you're already doing a good enough job. I'd also like to point out this is supposed to be his job and passion. Not a hobby.
Edit: If you really think husky/wolf/khaldor are full of shit with their ""thanks guys! taking it all to heart! love you!" type stuff, why not pm them and (respectfully and nicely ask) "I was interested in your feedback threads and contributing to them, but part of me was concerned whether you actually read / take it to heart, do you have any examples of posts that you felt improved your casting and in what ways?" Or something along those lines, who knows maybe it could even help turn feedback threads into being more useful, with the caster adding posts he felt were particularly useful in the OP to show he's not just bsing. Improving on improving is a skill too. Maybe you can ask them to forward their reply to MT too.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo)
to be honest, i have never seen a caster take any real criticism to heart. maybe i missed something, but most of the times i see one piece of criticism in one of those threads and it gets three pages of replies from rabid fans telling the person who posted the criticism that they are stupid and this caster is awesome and should never change eva! and the caster shows up maybe once every 300 pages to pop in and say:
"thanks guys! taking it all to heart! love you!"
moletrap does not have seven legions of rabid fans that will draw their internet swords and do battle anytime someone mentions a word of criticism. he has seventy legions of rabid anti-fans that will go to a constructive criticism thread and say:
"i don't like your voice. it's high and annoying. but you can't do anything about it, so... i just thought you should know that i hate your voice and hate your casting."
so i don't agree with this point at all. constructive criticism threads are useless in my opinion. you will get maybe three posts of actually worthwhile criticism and a barrel full of trolls that either stroke your ego or flame the hell out of you. besides what really worthwhile criticism can he glean from these threads? "moar game knowledge!" uhh... ok how is that useful?
I disagree. There are many casters that have improved. While not everyone has had a dedicated thread about them, they get feedback in random forums and whatnot and almost always see it even if they don't reply.
Painuser is one example. When I first saw him, he was easily the worst caster, unless you played terran. He looooved talking about terran, observing the terran, and didn't have much knowledge about anything else. But (races, maps, players, scene) over time he has rectified it so his recent IPL cast was at least bearable. HD's casting has been discussed to death so I'll leave that alone, even though I enjoy him more than Painuser
Khaldor is similar, when I first heard him, I thought ugh, why... But over a span of months he developed his mannerisms and way of speaking into a better, more analytical caster. They really do try to not say all of the "buzz-words" and whatnot You probably don't notice, and I don't mean that in a rude way. It's easy to not pick out areas of improvement (And I am in no way saying that these casters are objectively good) but really, they really do listen- i am almost sure of that.
i'm not saying that caster's haven't improved. some of them have, some of them haven't. i'm saying that it makes no sense to me that any of their improvements came from constructive criticism threads based on the lack of quality in any of those threads. and i'm not so sure that they almost always see the criticism. i sure as hell wouldn't be reading a thread about me if i was a caster. what can you really expect? a whole slew of trolls who either hate you or love you and then a few people who can never agree on what actually needs to be fixed.
it would be impossible for them not to know what the general feeling of the community about them is, but that even furthers my argument that a thread would have done moletrap no good whatsoever. a very vocal, sizable part of the community hated the guy's casting, and i'm sure he was aware of that. why would he then go into a "constructive" criticism thread about himself populated by those same people who can't stand him? that wouldn't be good for him, it would be terrible! reading over a 1,000 posts about how bad you are would be bad for anyone's self esteem, even if they had rhino skin and a very healthy sense of self-worth. my advice to a caster would be to never read anything about yourself on the internet. they should know what they need to improve on without having to sift through mountains of bad posts.
some of them probably do check out the criticism threads every once in a while. some of them probably do try to keep some of that criticism in mind. i highly doubt that they have ever gotten anything really useful from a thread like that though.
I think he wanted to work for OGN all along. From what I could tell, he was never too interested in the SC2 scene and really wanted to work for a Korean company like OGN (related to BW)
i really liked his casting, can't say i am a LoL fan so i guess i won't be seeing much of his casting anymore. Best of luck in the future moletrap, fighting!
Finally, Moletrap was one of the worst casters I've ever listened to. His game knowledge was alright, but he always just came off so arrogant and constantly seemed like he was putting people down; I remember when he and DoA first started casting together I felt so bad for DoA because here he was such a nice guy constantly being put down by Moletrap. Not to mention this guy could not of had much of an annoying voice.
I was never particularly fond of moletrap, and I think people should be informed, but right now I'm actually more curious about how many bans controversial topics like this generate. I guess the whole process is just the life, growth and refinement of a forum, and I should accept it as it is.
moletrap, i don't have time to watch and enjoy your casting, i'm sure i've seen you cast in the past but i don't remember.
THANKYOU SO MUCH for this thread. Whatever the truth behind this rumour, it has helped TL be a better place in the long run as people are exposed as assholes and consigned to the outer darknesses of reddit, b.net and the GOM forums (no offence if you're still working for GOM )
I actually liked his casting to be honest, I thought he was very genuine in his excitement and had a real passion for what he was doing. If this is indeed true, I'll be sad and he will be missed (atleast by me).
I applaud moletrap for the work he put in prior to the success of SC2, but this is good news. There are a lot of casters who are a better fit for moletrap's position because honestly he simply did not know enough about the scene/players/game and did not have a good casting voice to compensate.
Wasn't really a fan of his casting, but honestly, I have nothing against the guy, he was just doing something that I would love to do myself. All the best to him and his endeavors.
While I wasn't a big Moletrap fanatic or anything, I think it's pretty lame that this is the reaction he's getting, especially in the original OP. I'm glad that got edited by a mod, pretty damn immature IMO. Shouldn't it be enough that you're getting what you want? What does insulting the guy accomplish other than making it known that many of the people who post are assholes?
On April 17 2012 11:58 Vul wrote: While I wasn't a big Moletrap fanatic or anything, I think it's pretty lame that this is the reaction he's getting, especially in the original OP. I'm glad that got edited by a mod, pretty damn immature IMO. Shouldn't it be enough that you're getting what you want? What does insulting the guy accomplish other than making it known that many of the people who post are assholes?
I honestly have to agree. I feel like a lot of this is unwarranted personally, and that a lot of people's personal preference is allowing them to justify belittling someone else who put themselves out there doing what they love.
Thanks for the goodtimes man, and all your work for eSports.
This guy was casting Broodwar before a lot of you knew what Starcraft was.
I hope to see some more Starcraft commentary at some point in the future, but best of luck with LoL in the short term. Torch is a kickass commentator and an extremly smart gamer. These 2 will make a good combo.
Is this actually official? Because, I gotta say, relying on someone's twitter account, regardless of who they are, doesn't seem too reliable to me. Has GOMtv released anything?
man u guys have little to zero respect for veterans. hopefully moletrap u planned all this shit so u can hookup with kespa and ht the big leagues. Moletrap was the only one left before klazart quit so I will always respect him for dual commentating with klazart, to the very end gg bro. ty for ur video about airs/miss chance 50% instead of 33%(what many thought). MoleGasm!
I hope Moletrap isn't officially leaving GOM. It will put a smile on my face knowing so many people in this thread got banned expressing hate-filled joy, when in fact it was all done in vain.
kinda sad to hear if this is really true, the guy was a starcraft fan for ever, kinda shocking to hear him go to LOL but at the same time maybe he wasnt given the chances he thought he deserved casting SC2 with gom. GL moletrap tho, your casting put a smile on my face
Wow, looks like a tonnnnnnnnnn of new starcraft players nowadays. Moletrap is one of the greatest casters of broodwar, a true veteran and to say that he is terrible is just ignorant. But everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I feel as though Moletrap has great casting capabilities.
I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world. Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them. Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit. As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.
On April 17 2012 14:34 entrust wrote: I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world. Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them. Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit. As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.
It's his voice, and his constant WHOAAAAAAAAAAA OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO OHHHHHHHH that pisses people off. Every time he raises his voice I end up muting my stream because his voice makes my ear hurt.
I will always respect moletrap for his BW commentating even if there are others that can commentate better, they weren't doing it back when moletrap was.
I'll miss moletrap for GOM and sc/sc2. he might not be the best caster at GOM but he's definitely not the worst in my book.
Waiting on his reply. OGN would be sweet, just happy for him to stay in KR and do what he loves. though i wont be watching LOL even if he's casting.
Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that
Right on! that is proper commentating. Moletrap was the 1st to do this on GOM. Tastosis constantly ignores stuff like this. Wolf performs well in this area. I love hearing the background of a player and getting to know him and his style better.
On April 17 2012 14:34 entrust wrote: I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world. Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them. Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit. As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.
Everyone knew he was getting his so-called "stats" directly from TLPD rather than actually knowing the players like Artosis, Wolf and even Khaldor do. He was the caster with the least knowledge of the Korean scene, and the least knowledge of the game altogether. Seems like he lived off mainly of his BW knowledge alone, but that was not enough in the end and he had nothing to compensate for this (average-to-annoying voice, bad humor attempts). Moletrap's critics are hate-filled, yes, but they are so for a reason, there is no smoke without fire.
Now Moletrap was not the worst he could have been, imagine if he had been venting his BW background like HD does by calling every unit/building by its BW equivalent's name or calling Nestea "Zergbong", faking an old-school nostalgia every time. That would have been fun.
good luck moletrap. I haven't watched any of your SCII commentary for Gom, but damnit you got me into broodwar with your unrivaled enthusiasm for the game. I hope OGN treats you well and I might actually check these Lol casts out. ;D
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo)
to be honest, i have never seen a caster take any real criticism to heart. maybe i missed something, but most of the times i see one piece of criticism in one of those threads and it gets three pages of replies from rabid fans telling the person who posted the criticism that they are stupid and this caster is awesome and should never change eva! and the caster shows up maybe once every 300 pages to pop in and say:
"thanks guys! taking it all to heart! love you!"
moletrap does not have seven legions of rabid fans that will draw their internet swords and do battle anytime someone mentions a word of criticism. he has seventy legions of rabid anti-fans that will go to a constructive criticism thread and say:
"i don't like your voice. it's high and annoying. but you can't do anything about it, so... i just thought you should know that i hate your voice and hate your casting."
so i don't agree with this point at all. constructive criticism threads are useless in my opinion. you will get maybe three posts of actually worthwhile criticism and a barrel full of trolls that either stroke your ego or flame the hell out of you. besides what really worthwhile criticism can he glean from these threads? "moar game knowledge!" uhh... ok how is that useful?
I disagree. There are many casters that have improved. While not everyone has had a dedicated thread about them, they get feedback in random forums and whatnot and almost always see it even if they don't reply.
Painuser is one example. When I first saw him, he was easily the worst caster, unless you played terran. He looooved talking about terran, observing the terran, and didn't have much knowledge about anything else. But (races, maps, players, scene) over time he has rectified it so his recent IPL cast was at least bearable. HD's casting has been discussed to death so I'll leave that alone, even though I enjoy him more than Painuser
Khaldor is similar, when I first heard him, I thought ugh, why... But over a span of months he developed his mannerisms and way of speaking into a better, more analytical caster. They really do try to not say all of the "buzz-words" and whatnot You probably don't notice, and I don't mean that in a rude way. It's easy to not pick out areas of improvement (And I am in no way saying that these casters are objectively good) but really, they really do listen- i am almost sure of that.
i'm not saying that caster's haven't improved. some of them have, some of them haven't. i'm saying that it makes no sense to me that any of their improvements came from constructive criticism threads based on the lack of quality in any of those threads. and i'm not so sure that they almost always see the criticism. i sure as hell wouldn't be reading a thread about me if i was a caster. what can you really expect? a whole slew of trolls who either hate you or love you and then a few people who can never agree on what actually needs to be fixed.
it would be impossible for them not to know what the general feeling of the community about them is, but that even furthers my argument that a thread would have done moletrap no good whatsoever. a very vocal, sizable part of the community hated the guy's casting, and i'm sure he was aware of that. why would he then go into a "constructive" criticism thread about himself populated by those same people who can't stand him? that wouldn't be good for him, it would be terrible! reading over a 1,000 posts about how bad you are would be bad for anyone's self esteem, even if they had rhino skin and a very healthy sense of self-worth. my advice to a caster would be to never read anything about yourself on the internet. they should know what they need to improve on without having to sift through mountains of bad posts.
some of them probably do check out the criticism threads every once in a while. some of them probably do try to keep some of that criticism in mind. i highly doubt that they have ever gotten anything really useful from a thread like that though.
I definitely agree that some casters stay exactly the same throughout their tenure at whatever organization they happen to be stationed at. I also agree that the threads are full of people who are the antithesis of what the thread asks for- constructive criticism. Its either "I hate your casting" or "I love your casting" and you might have to hunt for some truly genuine posts from people who want to see the caster succeed, instead of either disappearing or remaining exactly the same. Love it or hate it, CatsPajamas will always say "Old Generation Starcrafters" and Moletrap will always have his signature voice and style, etc etc. And I also agree that Moletrap must have known about the mass of people who believed he lowered the entertainment value of GSL...
As for the threads being helpful/whether or not the casters view them I guess we would have to find out directly from them [the casters] So yeah TLDR that seems pretty solid
Hope I mentioned moletrap enough to keep this on topic, because it does have to do with (speculatively) reasons for him moving on
On April 17 2012 14:34 entrust wrote: I don't understand all the Moletrap bashing, after all the criticism he received when he was starting to cast in GSL he really stepped his game up. IMO this is the caster that made the biggest progress in this whole SC2 world. Not that I don't like Tastosis, but I'm sometimes tired with their filler stuff. Moletrap instead talked about players, who they are, their statistics and I really respect that, he is the caster that made players seem less random to me. Sometimes he even brought some fun facts about them. Kids jumped on this whole Moletrap hate bandwagon with no reason, but this guy knows his shit. As Warlord_Master said, this guy deserves a lot more respect than he gets.
Everyone knew he was getting his so-called "stats" directly from TLPD rather than actually knowing the players like Artosis, Wolf and even Khaldor do. He was the caster with the least knowledge of the Korean scene, and the least knowledge of the game altogether. Seems like he lived off mainly of his BW knowledge alone, but that was not enough in the end and he had nothing to compensate for this (average-to-annoying voice, bad humor attempts). Moletrap's critics are hate-filled, yes, but they are so for a reason, there is no smoke without fire.
Now Moletrap was not the worst he could have been, imagine if he had been venting his BW background like HD does by calling every unit/building by its BW equivalent's name or calling Nestea "Zergbong", faking an old-school nostalgia every time. That would have been fun.
What is wrong using TLPD as a caster? Loads of casters use it, its still by far the best resource for data on players. Who cares where the stats come from? He's not opening up Liquipedia and just showing you that. You make it sound like casters that prepare their casts, studying things like Liquipedia are doing something wrong? I hold only respect to casters that take their job seriously and actually knuckles down and prepares for their matches - Apollo is a great example of this; Hard work both playing, casting and studying stats improved his casting sooo much, and he regulary gives shoutouts to Liquipedia (which is much appreciated by the contributors).
Bye bye moletrap. I enjoyed his knowledge of the players. Sometimes I look code A players up on liquipedia because I have no idea who they are, Moletrap made that unnecessary. His voice isn't exactly the announcer type, but he was alright. I mean, the man's trying if he's looking up relevant player data before every single cast, right? He might just cast OGN's SC2 stuff too, don't know how I like that though. He's good for players I have no clue about, but I wouldn't want him attempting to analyze top notch play when ex-pros with plenty of game knowledge like Artosis can do so much better.
Now if DotA2 takes LoL's spot, we know who's at fault, yeah? I kid hahahahaha.
Never had an issue with moletrap. Would take him over a lot of other people. Would also take anyone over Khaldor. Way too abrasive to hear someone (Khaldor) constantly make incorrect statements about the game while simultaneously critiquing/insulting some of the best players in the world.
there are 2 types of people, people with a passion for something, and people without. the fact that the people with a passion for something are outnumbered by 1 to 10 is already sad by itself, but you whats the saddest thing about the world we're live in right now? its the fact that the people without a passion for something, people who don't contribute anything, constantly trying to spoil the party for the people who do have passion and do contribute, to the point that they dont wanna do what they so anymore.
if you dont like something, thats ok, thats completly fine, but why isn't if sufficient just not to consume it anymore? why do people feel the need to be vocal about every single thing they don't like, especially in such an insensitive way.
casting a sc2 game is not the single most important thing in the world. if the caster is someone you dont like, tough luck, deal with it, accept the fact that the world is not spining around you, thats what grown up people do every day, dealing with things they dont enjoy. if you dont like it so much that you hate it and aren't able to watch it, seriously, there is something wrong with you.
everyone who is not completly stupid can see that the way this community treated moletrap from the beginning to the end was anything but fair.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
Perfectly said, great post. And I have to agree that Tasteless is starting to drop off, I mean, I love the guy, but it just feels like his level of casting right now is every bit the same as when he first started (if not perhaps slightly deteriorating). I don't know why, but the things he says are getting more and more bland - I feel like he literally echoes Artosis too often nowadays (rarely do we hear him have his own separate opinions), and uses the same phrases over and over again.
Anyways, back to topic, I wasn't a fan of moletrap, but I appreciate his efforts and what he tried to do for the community, hope he does better in LoL. Did he ever state the reason for leaving SC2? That's what I personally want to know the most~
Repeating the same phrases over and over again has been a problem of Tasteless for years, even when he still casted BW for GOM. He is one of the few casters with charisma, even though he's not quite as passionate about SC2 as he was about Brood War.
Problem is that no one is looking at the big picture. You lose little stuff and over time it accumilates. This is bad news because sc2 right now is declining faster than BW and people fail to realise that since they're too blinded by their passion to the game. Blizzard made sc2 an impenetrable fortress and soon enough people will switch to the game with more flexibility.
My thoughts about Moletrap are just about the same as about Totalbiscuit: could do a lot of great things for esports with their dedication and drive, but definitely not by casting Starcraft 2.
On April 17 2012 16:26 tztztz wrote:why do people feel the need to be vocal about every single thing they don't like, especially in such an insensitive way.
For me, watching code A was unbearable. I mean literally unbearable.
Call me a troll, call me a hater, whatever. I could not watch code A when moletrap was casting.
Perhaps this is the wrong place to put this seeing as though moletrap has left GOM. But there seems to be a lot of people in this thread either:
A. Asking why so many people dislike him.
or
B. Implying there is some sort of noob hate culture that has no intellectual authority.
For A, my personal reason is I don't like his voice. I actuallly think I have a worse voice than moletrap yet I couldn't stand to hear that whiny, screechy voice.
For B, it's time to grow up and accept the weight of other people's opinions while avoiding logical fallacies.
On April 17 2012 16:26 tztztz wrote: there are 2 types of people, people with a passion for something, and people without. the fact that the people with a passion for something are outnumbered by 1 to 10 is already sad by itself, but you whats the saddest thing about the world we're live in right now? its the fact that the people without a passion for something, people who don't contribute anything, constantly trying to spoil the party for the people who do have passion and do contribute, to the point that they dont wanna do what they so anymore.
if you dont like something, thats ok, thats completly fine, but why isn't if sufficient just not to consume it anymore? why do people feel the need to be vocal about every single thing they don't like, especially in such an insensitive way.
casting a sc2 game is not the single most important thing in the world. if the caster is someone you dont like, tough luck, deal with it, accept the fact that the world is not spining around you, thats what grown up people do every day, dealing with things they dont enjoy. if you dont like it so much that you hate it and aren't able to watch it, seriously, there is something wrong with you.
everyone who is not completly stupid can see that the way this community treated moletrap from the beginning to the end was anything but fair.
lol, flatout wrong. As stated before, moletrap was a product of gom towards us, if people don't like that product, they will a) stop watching GSL. b) complain about it. What's the best solution for GOM do you think, if they want to keep their viewers? There's also a lot of passionate people that watch GSL that just don't like Moletrap's casting, for whatever reason it is, and in our own passionate way, we're trying fight for better casters. Hard facts are, the amount of viewers that actually like Moletrap's casting are heavily outnumbered. Tough luck, deal with it.
Heard him solo-cast, he was pretty excellent at that. With Khaldor it often became a shouting match and neither came off well. To me he was just yet another scapegoat, a target for mass internet hate. It's easy to get caught up in that, just look at how people now talk about huk. One moment he's a hero, the next there's no end to the vitriol that people will direct at him.
Hope you succeed at OGN. Never watched your SC2 casting, but I have fond memories of you in BW. Some of the hate he gets seems ridiculous, but we were not much nicer with Klazart ont tl back then, so I guess nothing changes. Sad. And yeah, I can see why a bw fan would much rather be casting anything on OGN than on GOM. Plus he will get a new chance with the LoL community.
this is a bit silly though. khaldor has to tell us he's left. moletrap keeps taking about making a video to explain but isn't really confirming anything on twitter.
EDIT: just realised that he actually came to post on this thread, but without actually saying anything at all.
I find it funny mods don't like it when people express their genuine, warranted opinion on Moletrap when it's negative. He was unbearable, and there are many who agree, and had their GSL viewing experience ruined because of him.
I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated
His voice was pretty harsh to listen to, he seemed to have good knowledge of the game, can't say I'm exactly "glad" to see him go, wish him luck in his endeavors in LoL. God knows they need better casters, me and my ranked team sat in Mumble watching the LoL IPL4 cast and they said things that were flat out wrong several times every game.
On April 17 2012 23:27 Mlex wrote: I find it funny mods don't like it when people express their genuine, warranted opinion on Moletrap when it's negative. He was unbearable, and there are many who agree, and had their GSL viewing experience ruined because of him.
"It's ok to not like things, it's ok, but don't be a dick about it"
You can express your opinion in a constructive way, you know.
On April 17 2012 23:41 stkblee wrote: I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated
Yeah, it did seem there was some animosity when they were casting together.
I couldn't stand watching GSL games when Moletrap was casting, so I'm glad to see he's moved on. You have to get him some credit for trying, he always put in the effort, but for whatever reason I just didn't like his casting style.
I was at first a hater, but then I grew to like his casting. His LoL casting is actually really good, too - I was watching the LoL tournament a while back, it's great.
Yea saw this coming a mile away.. I just wish Tastosis and Day9 would start doing LoL commentary, the biggest esport needs the best commentators. Also its nice to see all the korean sc2 teams adding LoL teams.. Startale, MVP, and apparently oGs is going to create a team too, I only hope that SlayerS will also come.
On April 18 2012 02:01 SuperFanBoy wrote: Yea saw this coming a mile away.. I just wish Tastosis and Day9 would start doing LoL commentary, the biggest esport needs the best commentators. Also its nice to see all the korean sc2 teams adding LoL teams.. Startale, MVP, and apparently oGs are going to create a team too, I only hope that SlayerS will also come.
I disagree, I don't like to watch LoL. I hope Tastosis and Day9 won't start doing LoL and the best commentators stay with Sc2. I hope the Korean sc2 teams keep adding profitable LoL teams to minimize risk for their sc2 teams.
On April 18 2012 02:01 SuperFanBoy wrote: Yea saw this coming a mile away.. I just wish Tastosis and Day9 would start doing LoL commentary, the biggest esport needs the best commentators. Also its nice to see all the korean sc2 teams adding LoL teams.. Startale, MVP, and apparently oGs is going to create a team too, I only hope that SlayerS will also come.
Sorry, the best game needs the best commentators, not the biggest eSport. I will never watch a game of LoL because I find it extremely boring. Furthermore, Day9 and Tastosis actually like everything Starcraft, so I don't see them changing.
Like a lot of people in this thread I assume he saw the bigger scale of things in working with OGN ( possible BW/sc2 casts) and I'm glad he found a place in the meantime in LoL ( lol probably forever since lol is becoming the biggest game in the world right now)
I personally never understood the blind hated towards him in the vod comments or even. Not alot of people in the industry who are better than him, while he isn't a artosis tier analyser he at least made the afford and provided some stats on the players he actually knew them.
I still remember the Gom-Sharade where Mr Chae asked Tasteless : "Startale's Ace Terran Player" and even after time was up he couldnt even name Bomber.
On April 17 2012 23:41 stkblee wrote: I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated
Yeah, it did seem there was some animosity when they were casting together.
The problem was, Moletrap didn't cast well with anybody else, he frequently ignored his co-caster (try listening to moletrap and doa back when doa was casting, it was painful) and even made the same jokes his co-caster had just made a minute ago.
Considering I've never seen Khaldor act like that with any other co-caster in all of his casts I've ever seen, I'm inclined to believe Moletrap was the bad fruit in that combination.
For those of you who are wondering how Moletrap is doing in LoL, from what I have seen the community mostly doesn't like his commentary, in the big fights he doesn't explain whats going down but rather just say things like "Huge damage going down!", also I find it that Torch happens to be correcting him a lot.
However I believe in due time as he learns the game more he will make an excellent LoL commentator, he has more hype and passion in his voice when he talks about the plays than most of the current LoL commentators, and this is something that I always liked about him. He will be commentating tonight at 7:30 KST for those of you who are interested to see him and Torch commentate.
On April 18 2012 02:18 SuperFanBoy wrote: For those of you who are wondering how Moletrap is doing in LoL, from what I have seen the community mostly doesn't like his commentary, in the big fights he doesn't explain whats going down but rather just say things like "Huge damage going down!", also I find it that Torch happens to be correcting him a lot.
LoL why am I not surprised
next he'll be doing Michael Bay explosions, "braaaaaaaash!!!"
On April 17 2012 23:27 Mlex wrote: I find it funny mods don't like it when people express their genuine, warranted opinion on Moletrap when it's negative. He was unbearable, and there are many who agree, and had their GSL viewing experience ruined because of him.
You clearly don't understand why the people have been warned then.
As someone who got into broodwar from SC2gg.com It is always sad for me to see the people who have contributed so much effort to helping the community grow leave. I was never the biggest fan of your casting even in BW, but I appreciated all your effort.
On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract. (If you haven't seen it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323846)
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
The above post if full of BS about moletrap. When moletrap first started casting BW, his casting was HORRIBAD. Way worse than anything you see now. He cursed a lot too. He took a lot of the criticisim and changed, I heard him painstakingly change the way he casts over quite a few games. At some point I stopped listening to him regularly cast since I didn't like his casting as much as others. I can tell you that with much effort he has gotten better but I see no reason for you to bash the person. If you look at some of his earlier casting and his casting 2 years ago and his casting now, the difference is obvious.
All you have said Nibbler is a bunch of condescending statements with no evidence as far as I'm concerned. I agree with you that he's bad at casting, but to say that someone didn't even try because you've seen them to be bad now is just wrong. You're probably one of those people that think gold/silver players are just not trying hard enough and that's why they're so bad. Some people are just bad, no reason to say they never tried just because some other people are more talented.
On April 17 2012 03:38 Chill wrote: It's probably a good move for Moletrap. It's very difficult to continue commentating when the majority of the feedback is negative, be it justified or not. Even if he worked hard it would take him 6 months of solid commentating before people started to change their tune about him.
I think it's a little bit unfortunate because I think he's a better Starcraft commentator than a LoL commentator. Whenever I listen to the OGN LoL streams I'm a little bit disappointed. But I think it was the best move for him and I hope he can continue to improve and find a place where the community is happy for him.
Your post surprises me Chill. I thought you hated all people from SC2gg ever since I heard you in the BW casting competition things years ago. My respect for you has doubled.
On April 17 2012 23:41 stkblee wrote: I didn't mind moletrap when he casted, but i'm more disturbed about how this news was broken. I mean moletrap's tweets show quite obviously that khaldor and him dont get along very well, and I have noticed this in their casts when khaldor is always quick to dismiss moletrap often in a sardonic manner. I hope more of this can be explained and the true situation be elucidated
Yeah, this was the first thing that came to my mind when the news was broken. Why is Khaldor saying this, and not Moletrap?
And all Moletrap does is take a jab at Khaldor by saying "Funny how people assume that Khaldor's tweet is word for word literal" and not really explaining anything. A really awkward situation.
I wasn't a fan of his casting, but he is a very awesome guy nonetheless. I faced him a few times on team ladder last season and he was nothing but mannered.
Best of luck to Moletrap with this new stage of his career!
Moletrap would be a fine free caster but when I pay 15$ for a season I want to have the feeling of watching only the casts of the best of the best and only Tastosis give that to me :-)
Hmm.. I've never minded Moletrap casting. In fact, I rather liked it. Yeah, he's not exceptionally knowledgeable and he makes wrong calls, but you can say the same thing about the vast majority of popular casters including every GOMtv caster excluding Artosis. It's unfortunate that we don't have very many good analysts in the SC2 scene though. He does have a high pitched voice and yells a lot and I can understand how that can annoy some people, but personally I didn't mind it. I thought it actually added some excitement like the Korean casters do.
All that said, if he actually did move to OGN for casting LoL, then I would lose a bit of respect for him. One of the things I've liked about Moletrap was that he's been casting plenty of Starcraft for a very long time since brood war when the casters didn't receive nearly as much recognition or make much money, and it made me think "this guy really likes Starcraft like I do". I remember how happy he sounded when he got the job at GOM a while back. Jumping to a more popular game was not exactly what I was expecting of him.
Moletrap is one of my favorite commentators from the good old BW days when SC2GG was more alive and had this awesome video commentary service. I've followed him ever since, and will follow him into to LoL too!
He probably reads this thread, and if he does: Moletrap don't badmouth the proplayers and don't shout so frkn much, maybe even get a little more knowledge of the game. Then you may be getting a-ok. Good luck with LoL, and learn by your mistakes.
Moletrap should take up smoking. It did wonders for tasteless' voice.. have you heard him from before he started smoking? Doesnt sound like the same person even.
On April 18 2012 16:57 mell0w wrote: Moletrap should take up smoking. It did wonders for tasteless' voice.. have you heard him from before he started smoking? Doesnt sound like the same person even.
Is that spose to be a good thing? I love Tasteless but his old voice sounded way better.
On April 18 2012 06:42 Waywatcher wrote: i have been watching some LoL lately, cant say i enjoy him casting lol. I find his casting of SC2 ok(ish). But his Lol casting was bad
his lol casting is about the same as his sc2 casting, but the difference is that 95% of lol casting ranges from bad to unwatchable. he is fairly new to the game and already better than a lot out there, and its not as if there were a ton of english speaking LoL casters in Korea to choose from. He was never an awful sc2 caster, just paled in comparison to Tastosis, hopefully he will have a chance to grow with LoL in Korea, as it seems poised to do.
I don't hate Moletrap as much as 90% of this thread seems to, but at the same time I'm not really sad about his departure. He was serviceable, but this isn't really a "loss" in my books.
He's fine for free casting, but if I'm shelling out more than 5 dollars, I want someone that I WANT to listen to, not merely tolerate.
On April 18 2012 16:57 mell0w wrote: Moletrap should take up smoking. It did wonders for tasteless' voice.. have you heard him from before he started smoking? Doesnt sound like the same person even.
Is that spose to be a good thing? I love Tasteless but his old voice sounded way better.
Smoking actually has almost nothing to do with how his voice changed there was a topic about this awhile ago Day9 cleared it up it's from casting a lot and the same thing happens to Day9 as he said.
I liked Moletrap alot, but 2 Caster-Duos are just better than rotating between Wolf/Khaldor and Moletrap. If I had to make the decision I would have fired Tasteless and tried a Artosis/Khaldor Combo for CodeS.
On April 18 2012 15:24 NationInArms wrote: Moletrap is one of my favorite commentators from the good old BW days when SC2GG was more alive and had this awesome video commentary service. I've followed him ever since, and will follow him into to LoL too!
Not to be mean but frankly this is just a huge relief, just the fact that he would consider casting LoL shows that he had no business doing sc2 casting esp for the most important sc2 tournament out there.
Now if only Wolf would retire to LoL as well I would be safe from casters that make me cringe every time they cast but at least I won't have to deal with both of them at once ever again such a relief.
On April 18 2012 16:57 mell0w wrote: Moletrap should take up smoking. It did wonders for tasteless' voice.. have you heard him from before he started smoking? Doesnt sound like the same person even.
In other words: "Hi, I don't want to sound selfish, but I'd like this person to start with a toxic, addictive habit that kills people, because I don't like his voice"
And smoking didn't change tasteless voice anyway, it was speaking too loud and too much while casting all day long in bw
Hes commentating right now, Torch seems to be correcting him a lot and he keeps saying "Tons Of Damage!" in the team fights.. the LoL community are bashing his casting a lot right now.
I'm watching his casting on LoL right now to see if he's good, but he does the same thing he got bashed for in SC2. He keeps making bad assumptions trying to predict what's going to happen and it never happens, he keeps saying "hardcore" and "tons of damage, and he doesn't know the name of the spells. I think if he's going to be successful in LoL, he has to stop trying to be an Artosis analyst-type caster and just cast what's going on and explain it for the newbies. His casting partner right now seems to be getting annoyed and also has to keep correcting him as well.
I watched some of the OGN LoL tournament today. I enjoyed his casting, and found it rather funny as the game I watched was blind pick with 2 Urgots, 2 Ryzes, and 2 Brolafs. Moletrap brings a lot of enthusiasm and excitement which is imo is perfect for the LoL team-fights.
On April 18 2012 23:52 ChoDing wrote: ^dont know why thats a temp banned
anyways...moletrap wasn't that good of a caster anyways;;;;;
so i don't know why people are so upset that he went to LoL... now LoL is gonna have +1 on bad casters
This is truly good for sc 2 :D
You really dont understand why that is a temp ban? Your post is criticizing him in an acceptable way obviously, while he was being a giant (insert profanity) about disliking moletrap.
A good rule for thumb on teamliquid is, If your a dick about it your going to be banned.
On April 18 2012 20:05 Sophia wrote: I liked Moletrap alot, but 2 Caster-Duos are just better than rotating between Wolf/Khaldor and Moletrap. If I had to make the decision I would have fired Tasteless and tried a Artosis/Khaldor Combo for CodeS.
You'd have fired Tasteless? Your opinion just became invalid.
this thread should become invalid. There has been no official word and this thread is just a giant pile of moletrap haters who probably did not even fully read the OP.
On April 19 2012 00:51 KadaverBB wrote: this thread should become invalid. There has been no official word and this thread is just a giant pile of moletrap haters who probably did not even fully read the OP.
This, basically. It's really sad to see so much hate on the poor guy because of stupid reasons like not liking his voice, etc.
There are a few people with legitimate reasons for why they dislike him, but it's mostly full of "LOL FINALLY."
watched a little bit of the lol games today. not really a lol fan, but i thought he did pretty good. still has a habit of cutting his co-caster off a bit, though. good luck with lol. at least he's living his dream of casting.
On April 19 2012 00:51 KadaverBB wrote: this thread should become invalid. There has been no official word and this thread is just a giant pile of moletrap haters who probably did not even fully read the OP.
This, basically. It's really sad to see so much hate on the poor guy because of stupid reasons like not liking his voice, etc.
There are a few people with legitimate reasons for why they dislike him, but it's mostly full of "LOL FINALLY."
Hm, I don't see how not liking to listen to a SC2 commentator because of his/her voice is stupid (or radio host, or sports commentator, or phone interviewer, or anyone else whose sole purpose is to convey information via voice) . I think the voice is very important in this case and liking or disliking it is entirely subjective. Calling the opinion of others stupid is stupid though "hating" is a different matter ofc.
Moletrap is a better League caster than a StarCraft caster. But that's not sayin' much since most League casters suck unless its a pro standin' in to cast (Go watch Dan Dinh cast IPL4 compared to the other guys, he knew exactly what was goin' to happen compared to the commentators who couldn't guess an invade when it was starin' them in the face...). Personally I was not a fan of Moletrap's duo casts for GOM, but for his solo castin' he was much better. I felt he was tryin' too hard to make the next castin' archon with whoever he got matched that it really was holdin' him back and makin' him look stupider than he actually was. His solo castin' was nothin' special, but it was amazin' in comparison to his duo casts.
Anyways, best of luck to Moletrap in his career with OGN. (And replace Torch please...)
Think im going to resub to Gomtv now to celebrate, I didn't get a new subscription cause i knew he would cast most of it.
Gone is the caster Saying stuff like " OmG did he get Templar Archives before cybernetics core". Not to mention the general annoying tone and no synergy with cocasters. If you think a caster is good when he does stuff like that then i have no idea how a person is ever a bad caster.
Was never a fan of Moletrap, but his BW casts and even his solo SC2 casts were much, much better than what you saw on GOM. Not to mention that the guy really loved interacting and the game. It's one thing to dislike his casting, but half of these posts here are way, WAY overboard.
On April 19 2012 00:51 KadaverBB wrote: this thread should become invalid. There has been no official word and this thread is just a giant pile of moletrap haters who probably did not even fully read the OP.
This, basically. It's really sad to see so much hate on the poor guy because of stupid reasons like not liking his voice, etc.
There are a few people with legitimate reasons for why they dislike him, but it's mostly full of "LOL FINALLY."
Hm, I don't see how not liking to listen to a SC2 commentator because of his/her voice is stupid (or radio host, or sports commentator, or phone interviewer, or anyone else whose sole purpose is to convey information via voice) . I think the voice is very important in this case and liking or disliking it is entirely subjective. Calling the opinion of others stupid is stupid though "hating" is a different matter ofc.
I don't think I called anyone's opinions stupid. I used the word to say that bashing someone over a personal preference is usually unfair.
It's perfectly acceptable to dislike someone because of something like that, but to openly rejoice that the man is leaving a job that he worked so hard for because you don't like his voice? Not cool, imo.
So if Peewee Herman started casting NFL matches, then the fans said they didn't like his voice, but then he clung onto the job for another 6 months despite what the fans thought, would you think the fans would have a reason to rejoice after he got booted?
Most of us who dislike moletrap's casting don't care about his personal life, or how much he loves the game, or what he did in the past. We just didn't want him casting those games we wanted to watch (code A GSL).
I find it strange that people are so ready to call us a bunch of illogical haters without really considering that we may simply not like the guy's casting. Try to open your mind a little.
On April 19 2012 10:00 LegendLength wrote: So if Peewee Herman started casting NFL matches, then the fans said they didn't like his voice, but then he clung onto the job for another 6 months despite what the fans thought, would you think the fans would have a reason to rejoice after he got booted?
Most of us who dislike moletrap's casting don't care about his personal life, or how much he loves the game, or what he did in the past. We just didn't want him casting those games we wanted to watch (code A GSL).
I find it strange that people are so ready to call us a bunch of illogical haters without really considering that we may simply not like the guy's casting. Try to open your mind a little.
On April 19 2012 00:51 KadaverBB wrote: this thread should become invalid. There has been no official word and this thread is just a giant pile of moletrap haters who probably did not even fully read the OP.
Which official word do you need? He was casting LoL earlier today. That's it. He's gone.
He was actually starting to improve. He's still nowhere near Tastetosis or DayJ (WTF happened to DayJ, they were THE BEST casting team around... I say again, WTF?!), but he's tolerable now.
Admins are quite overreacting here if you keep it like that you will left by yourself here! I am glad moletrap makes that that decision ,its good for sc2 community
On April 19 2012 00:51 KadaverBB wrote: this thread should become invalid. There has been no official word and this thread is just a giant pile of moletrap haters who probably did not even fully read the OP.
This, basically. It's really sad to see so much hate on the poor guy because of stupid reasons like not liking his voice, etc.
There are a few people with legitimate reasons for why they dislike him, but it's mostly full of "LOL FINALLY."
I'm guessing you like a lot of terrible singers as long as the lyrics are good? But even his "lyrics" are terrible. He's a commentator. Half voice/charisma and info/insight . He had none of those things going of him. I'm sure he's a great guy but this wasn't his calling.
Moletrap has actually come in to his own for LoL casting. His "screechyness" is actually much less screechy. Hated as a SC2 caster, love as a LoL caster. Yay Moletrap!
On April 19 2012 11:57 xlava wrote: I say keep him.
Because that is up to the community right?
Oh no, he has an opinion, abandon ship.
Actually it has nothing to do with his opinion or anything else, I was actually just asking does the community have the option to keep moletrap? The answer is no because he went elsewhere unless he states otherwise, moletrap made his decision.
To what you said though, I have no idea what point you are trying to make or anything because it makes no sense. I was not criticizing him liking moletrap nor do I dislike moletrap.
I pretty much agree with the general consensus here. Moletrap's voice and casting style are just too irritating to overlook. He would be tolerable if he had some extreme insight into the game or a stronger sense of humor, but he's mediocre on all accounts. I know that's a rough thing to say of someone that aspires to be a caster, but it is what it is. You can have all the passion in the world but if you don't have the voice/talent, you're not going to be accepted by many. Personality only gets you so far.
To be honest though, I actually found myself watching his casts for comic relief much in the way you can be entertained by an awful movie. It was hilarious to count how many times he'd interrupt Wolf's analysis to point out the worker counts at irrelevant times, or hearing Doa make a joke and Moletrap completely missing it.
i dont find his voice irritating the slightest bit. Khaldor's accent and stuttering is more distracting. but i'm not saying he should be fired. nor did i particularly like doa because of his monotony and lack of insight. the only 1 i didnt approve of was kelly.
i will miss moletrap, his sc1 commentary after klazart was what got me into sc and thus sc2. thanks for everything moletrap and all the best. still hope to see you casting sc2, perhaps for OGN! would be great to hear him cast sc1 pros playing sc2.
For Esport to grow, we need more people that study the game like artosis. The casters need to tell us new information, the new trend of the match ups, maps, builds, strats. And so far Artosis is the only one truly staying on top. Moletrap, khaldor just repeat whatever is happening on the screen.
Wolf is also one of the few that know what he is talking about.
While I was not a huge fan of his casting overall, I do not hate Moletrap and can easily watch his games over many other casters. I just hope things get worked out or whatever and good luck to him on his future.
Its interesting how Moletrap publically announced he was casting OGN LoL and then never thanked the SC2 community or even the Brood War community for all its love and support over the years. Days have gone by since this information was leaked that he is no longer employed by GOM and we have recieved nothing official from anyone involved. I'm wondering if GOM should be the ones to make this announcement not Moletrap himself.
On April 20 2012 15:45 onedayclose wrote: Its interesting how Moletrap publically announced he was casting OGN LoL and then never thanked the SC2 community or even the Brood War community for all its love and support over the years. Days have gone by since this information was leaked that he is no longer employed by GOM and we have recieved nothing official from anyone involved. I'm wondering if GOM should be the ones to make this announcement not Moletrap himself.
But the SC2 community has only hated on him, why should he thank the SC2 community?
On April 20 2012 15:45 onedayclose wrote: Its interesting how Moletrap publically announced he was casting OGN LoL and then never thanked the SC2 community or even the Brood War community for all its love and support over the years. Days have gone by since this information was leaked that he is no longer employed by GOM and we have recieved nothing official from anyone involved. I'm wondering if GOM should be the ones to make this announcement not Moletrap himself.
Based on the comments on this thread, I`m not sure how much thanking I would want to do except perhaps fans from his sc2gg days...
On April 19 2012 11:57 xlava wrote: I say keep him.
Because that is up to the community right?
Oh no, he has an opinion, abandon ship.
Actually it has nothing to do with his opinion or anything else, I was actually just asking does the community have the option to keep moletrap? The answer is no because he went elsewhere unless he states otherwise, moletrap made his decision.
To what you said though, I have no idea what point you are trying to make or anything because it makes no sense. I was not criticizing him liking moletrap nor do I dislike moletrap.
Seemed like you were trying to put him down over wanting to keep Moletrap aboard. If that was not the case, then carry on.
On a side note, it would be cool if we could pick casters out of a pool or something. Then again, that might be a disaster just as easily.
Wow, Moletrap with two needlessly hostile tweets towards Khaldor and others and promising more information. 3 days later, and absolutely nothing has come out on the issue. Thanks Moletrap!
I don't hate Moletrap, and he was certainly a blessing over the days of Kelly who had a very very poor accent, but my main problem with Moletrap was he had no sort of chemistry with his co-caster much like how Tasteosis does. Doa and Kelly had pretty decent chemistry but Moletrap seemed to make an effort to not chat with his partner.
I actually liked mole trap. big fan of his work in sc:bw and enjoyed his cast. He didn't have chemistry though and didn't have a sufficient knowledge of the game as he did in sc:bw and that was the problem. I feel as though if he casted alone (his comfort zone), he would have done a lot better. Wish him the best luck.
On April 20 2012 08:43 z0rz wrote: I pretty much agree with the general consensus here. Moletrap's voice and casting style are just too irritating to overlook. He would be tolerable if he had some extreme insight into the game or a stronger sense of humor, but he's mediocre on all accounts. I know that's a rough thing to say of someone that aspires to be a caster, but it is what it is. You can have all the passion in the world but if you don't have the voice/talent, you're not going to be accepted by many. Personality only gets you so far.
To be honest though, I actually found myself watching his casts for comic relief much in the way you can be entertained by an awful movie. It was hilarious to count how many times he'd interrupt Wolf's analysis to point out the worker counts at irrelevant times, or hearing Doa make a joke and Moletrap completely missing it.
I agree with this 100%. You can be as passionate as you want, but casting is a difficult job. It takes hard work, a love for the game, and a large degree of natural talent. I mean, I love American football more than anyone I know, but that doesn't mean I should be the one sitting next to Chris Collinsworth on Monday Night Football.
I'm sure Moletrap is a great guy, but he just has neither the game knowledge nor that natural casting ability that you see out of Day9, Artosis, or DJWheat. I wish him the best of luck in the future, and I feel sorry for him for having to put up with so much hate. But at the same time, I can't say that I will miss his casting.
On April 20 2012 22:46 Wunder wrote: Wow, Moletrap with two needlessly hostile tweets towards Khaldor and others and promising more information. 3 days later, and absolutely nothing has come out on the issue. Thanks Moletrap!
On April 21 2012 07:00 iSometric wrote: I liked him in BW, less in SC2, but I guess if he can't take constructive criticism then...
Less than 10% of the posts are actually constructive criticism, it's mostly people shitting all over him. I really hope that he left for LoL because it's what he enjoys rather than because of how shitty the community has been to him. Even now a lot of people are turning on tasteless and khaldor. I swear if it keeps going like this the SC2 community will never be happy.
On April 20 2012 22:46 Wunder wrote: Wow, Moletrap with two needlessly hostile tweets towards Khaldor and others and promising more information. 3 days later, and absolutely nothing has come out on the issue. Thanks Moletrap!
this guy is a horrible LoL caster... he just dosnt know what is going on half the time, an his explanation of any team fight is just to pretty much start yelling.
i mean, yeah... LoL casting is pretty sparse, especially when you compare to some of the great sc2 casters... but this kid is just bad all around.
On April 21 2012 07:00 iSometric wrote: I liked him in BW, less in SC2, but I guess if he can't take constructive criticism then...
Less than 10% of the posts are actually constructive criticism, it's mostly people shitting all over him. I really hope that he left for LoL because it's what he enjoys rather than because of how shitty the community has been to him. Even now a lot of people are turning on tasteless and khaldor. I swear if it keeps going like this the SC2 community will never be happy.
I think it's more the way he left without saying anything, even now he made an angry tweet promising with clearence of how and what. Yet we hear nothing. Things would have been much better if he made it clear before Kaldor had to spill the beans. This just angers people, and though i do not agree it is understandable.
On April 21 2012 07:00 iSometric wrote: I liked him in BW, less in SC2, but I guess if he can't take constructive criticism then...
Less than 10% of the posts are actually constructive criticism, it's mostly people shitting all over him. I really hope that he left for LoL because it's what he enjoys rather than because of how shitty the community has been to him. Even now a lot of people are turning on tasteless and khaldor. I swear if it keeps going like this the SC2 community will never be happy.
I think it's more the way he left without saying anything, even now he made an angry tweet promising with clearence of how and what. Yet we hear nothing. Things would have been much better if he made it clear before Kaldor had to spill the beans. This just angers people, and though i do not agree it is understandable.
No... not really. There's maybe like 4 people that complained about that. Mostly it's people just hating on his voice, his looks, and his general casting.
Blaming Moletrap for Khaldor spawning a hate filled thread isn't really out of line either. I can't imagine you'd be happy in his situation either.
On April 21 2012 07:00 iSometric wrote: I liked him in BW, less in SC2, but I guess if he can't take constructive criticism then...
Less than 10% of the posts are actually constructive criticism, it's mostly people shitting all over him. I really hope that he left for LoL because it's what he enjoys rather than because of how shitty the community has been to him. Even now a lot of people are turning on tasteless and khaldor. I swear if it keeps going like this the SC2 community will never be happy.
I think it's more the way he left without saying anything, even now he made an angry tweet promising with clearence of how and what. Yet we hear nothing. Things would have been much better if he made it clear before Kaldor had to spill the beans. This just angers people, and though i do not agree it is understandable.
No... not really. There's maybe like 4 people that complained about that. Mostly it's people just hating on his voice, his looks, and his general casting.
Blaming Moletrap for Khaldor spawning a hate filled thread isn't really out of line either. I can't imagine you'd be happy in his situation either.
It's not "like 4 people" there are more, there are how ever also tons of possitive ones in here so it's not all that hateful, fact is Moletrap casting was never liked by the majority of people now that he leaves in a very silent way some give him a kick in the back wich is not very mature to say the least i would agree with that, but Moletrap could have handled this alot better by being more clear to the community. And this thread would never be here.
On April 21 2012 07:19 ampson wrote: Less than 10% of the posts are actually constructive criticism
On April 21 2012 15:46 ghosthunter wrote: Mostly it's people just hating on his voice, his looks, and his general casting.
Both statements are true. But when the majority of "haters" claim that a commentator's VOICE and PERSONALITY are subpar, how exactly can you expect anyone to offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism?
"Hey Moletrap, have you considered undergoing surgery on your vocal cords to deepen your voice? How about improving your vocabulary beyond the word "epic" and loud screeching noises whenever something exciting happens? Or perhaps you could develop a better sense of humor so you can use it to cover up your lack of game knowledge?"
I know the criticisms are harsh and he's probably a better caster than 99% of the people lambasting him, but that doesn't delegitimize the complaints. You guys might be in a rare position to NOT be irritated by his voice and casting style, but you've got to open your eyes and realize that this massive influx of hatred might actually have some merit.
And seriously, I've never questioned the guy's dedication or professionalism until this whole fiasco started. It's been FIVE DAYS and he hasn't confirmed or denied anything to my knowledge. Apparently talking about YellOw's LoL team is more relevant than filling in his fans (and the rest of us) as to his current and future status as a SC2 caster. If he's working with GOM/OGN to release an official statement or whatever, that's perfectly fine. But he needs to acknowledge the situation and give an update rather than leave everyone hanging-- it's very unprofessional.
Maybe Khaldor leaked some info that Moletrap wasn't ready to share. Whatever the case may be, Moletrap's crisis management (if you can even call this a crisis) has been pathetic and, in my opinion, just furthers the case that Moletrap is not ready to be a primetime caster/commentator.
On April 21 2012 15:16 Liringlas wrote: this guy is a horrible LoL caster... he just dosnt know what is going on half the time, an his explanation of any team fight is just to pretty much start yelling.
i mean, yeah... LoL casting is pretty sparse, especially when you compare to some of the great sc2 casters... but this kid is just bad all around.
At least he preserved his casting style while switching games.
I personally prefer moletrap's voice to khaldor's. I don't know but something about khaldor's voice is not very pleasing to my ears. I thought moletrap + wolf duo was kind of cool. wolf + qxc was nice (for vT matches) as well. qxc seems very knowledgeable in T match-ups (duh) and can explain them well to viewers.
Goodluck to him I guess, he may have greater insight into the game of LoL, which they might appreciate.
He does recieve a lot of hate from pockets of the starcraft community, but at the same time he did have a fanbase from BW...
But those were deep pockets, and i think a lot of the hate came from the lack of chemistry viewers felt when he casted. You only need to watch the first season he casted with Doa to see where the disdain resonated from, and people seemed to empathise with what Doa was probably thinking. He definitely was easier to understand than that season of Milkies, but at the same time, many viewers didn't know where he was coming from with his insights and commentary; and personally he felt a little redundant imho.Perhaps one day he will find his niche in the esports community, until then i say goodluck to him!
On April 21 2012 20:38 usethis2 wrote: I personally prefer moletrap's voice to khaldor's. I don't know but something about khaldor's voice is not very pleasing to my ears. I thought moletrap + wolf duo was kind of cool. wolf + qxc was nice (for vT matches) as well. qxc seems very knowledgeable in T match-ups (duh) and can explain them well to viewers.
Oh man, i forgot all about qxc. I second this notion, Wolf+qxc was an excellent pairing. Then again, Wolf seems to make everyone look good, that guy has the ability to form an instant rapport with anyone effortlessly.
Well, if people dislike moletrap, that that means something right? Especially when its the majority of fans who dislike him. While there are some things he cannot change (like his voice), there are many others he could have changed, like his poor knowledge, condescending attitude towards some players and poor chemistry with all his casters.
I don't see how most of the thread has been unconstructive. When a community is unhappy with your casting, you either quit or you work hard to change and improve. Moletrap never improved and so he should be prepared for the community's increasing dislike of his casting.
Sure hes a nice guy who has a passion for e-sports but he probably is not suited to a caster if he really can't put in effort to change his style.
On April 21 2012 16:49 Khaldor wrote: Deleted. Don't feed the trolls.
What did Khaldor wrote ?
I was a big fan of the Khaldor/Moletrap duo after their first cast because they had a very nice synergy, but it seems Moletrap start to annoy co-casters after a while it really shows. I remember the first Moletrap/Wolf cast as being very good, and in the following days their relationship went back to normal.
My theory is that Moletrap is a "true" nerd in the sense that he has limited social skills and can not do things that others do without thinking about it. He made lots of efforts working on that, trying to build ties with players and getting more into the scene but the way he talked about it, it was clear that it wasn't natural for him. He was an outcast among the nerds.
At least I am glad I won't see the frank hostility some co-casters showed when they couldn't bear with Moletrap's quirks anymore.
On the other hand, I'm starting to like Khaldor's casting more that Tastosis. That difference becomes so clear if you compare the GSTL caster style. Tasteless has lost his passion for SC2 and is much more interested by sex (given his dual earrings and leather jacket) while Artosis has a baby and is an endless hype machine (Alicia, Nestea, etc). Khaldor is frank and to the point, and while some might say he lacks some casting knowledge I've never noticed that. In fact I think he has the most passion among them all giving the enormous amount of energy he invests in casting (GSL, KSL, etc etc.) Even Tastosis doesn't do half of that. Oh, and Wolf is a hair fetichist.
He is one of the first casters I've listen to. I remember him sayin he had no home and slept in a car, he really did it for the love. Good old times with Klaz, diggity and cholera.
Not much really happening in the community when for one week on a row "Moletrap leaves Gom" is on top of the threads.
Didn't mind him much as a caster, was ok for me, don't mind that he's going for other opportunities either. I wish him well. But I don't understand why this is on top of the discussions for more than a week.
And yeah yeah, I know I'm contributing to it myself right now
On April 22 2012 02:30 Volcker wrote: Tasteless has lost his passion for SC2 and is much more interested by sex (given his dual earrings and leather jacket) while Artosis has a baby and is an endless hype machine (Alicia, Nestea, etc). Khaldor is frank and to the point, and while some might say he lacks some casting knowledge I've never noticed that. In fact I think he has the most passion among them all giving the enormous amount of energy he invests in casting (GSL, KSL, etc etc.) Even Tastosis doesn't do half of that. Oh, and Wolf is a hair fetichist.
What is this nonsense? Tastles is much more interested in sex because he has a jacket and piercings? Are you some kind of Ludite?
Best of luck to Moletrap on his future endeavours, if this is all factual. I don't think Khaldor should have pre-leaked anything; let it be up to Moletrap to announce whatever he would like. Show some respect for your coworkers and organization next time, and give them their ability to voice their own statements, please (Just look at the TSM incident with TheRainMan if you do not understand why it is a bad idea to have done what you did).
Also, do not take offense to this, because this is my opinion, but I feel that Moletrap, although decent, is not considered an "elite" SC2 caster in my eyes. Not too heartbroken that he has left; I hope his replacement can match some of the current GOM casters, because GOM should only contain the pinnacle of casters.
He's currently facing hate from LoL and SC2 viewers as well as a transition from GOMTV to whoever is streaming LoL. I am fairly sure that he has other worries right now than to tweet about something that Khaldor has essentially nailed on the head, despite it being too early or whatever.
I assume if we see anything from him in the near future, it will be a long post somewhere adressing a lot of things rather than this one relatively minor issue.
Situations like this are when a man's true worth shines through, so we'll see how he handles it. With grace, dignity, and wisdom -- or pathos, disgrace, and ad hominem.
On April 23 2012 00:33 DKR wrote: What is this nonsense? Tastles is much more interested in sex because he has a jacket and piercings? Are you some kind of Ludite?
My theory is that Artosis was his bromance but as he is now a father, Tasteless is looking for ways to fill this void.
But hey, it's just a funny theory on the biggest sc2 stars
EPT
So pleased with this move. I don't have to worry about muting the Gom player during Code A matches.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z8oQK.png)
