Those are my thoughts

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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
Problem nuclear launch? Decides air to air splash capital ship isn't necessary for Protoss -> adds siege range capital ship Problem carrier? It is ok though, the warhound is in contention for being too much like a mini thor. I just feel trolled by Blizzard sometimes. | ||
TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
Edit: HOw did I miss the new nydus worms? They seem pretty cool. I want to see what comes of them. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
you mean a nuke? =P | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:04 Gosi wrote: It just feels like Dustin Browder is using the Starcraft franchise so he can play out his bad fantasies of game design and unit design/roles and actually have people playing it. All this mess just feels more like some kind of Starcraft/Red Alert/MOBA cluster fuck. Units that are copies of BW units but still not the good BW unit. More gimmicky stuff that suits more in Red Alert and MOBAs (anti air spider mine? some wacky ass missile that makes mech even worse in TvT, that hook on the viper that is stolen from Pudge from DotA, you just don't need any timing and skill to hit your target, the charge upgrade on Ultralisk that you can find in like any MOBA game). Still no words on the Warpgate mechanic and the worst unit ever Colossus. zzzzzzzzzzz people like this are the reason Blizz is so silent about HoTS | ||
Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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DoggerStarcraft
United States31 Posts
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:58 crms wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2012 02:45 dcsoda wrote: On April 12 2012 02:39 crms wrote: starcraft 2 is not the great game that the starcraft diehard (bw maniacs) deserved. we have fooled ourselves into thinking starcraft2 is an amazing esport title but it's actually a mediocre PC RTS that nobody would play if it wasn't titled 'starcraft'. It sucks because I was so hyped for SC2, but after the hype dies you start to see the game much more clearly. I'm not convinced that HoTS is going to change any of the inherent problems with SC2. BW is still very playable go back and play that. There is no way BW maniacs would have been satisfied with anything new that's why they are BW maniacs. SC2 has been great fun to play and watch for me and I'm incredibly excited to see where HotS takes the game. It's not even in beta yet so there is very little to be gained from speculation and balance discussion, it's not going to be right. Perhaps BW maniacs was the wrong term. I myself didn't even play BW, I was purely a spectator. Perhaps I shouldn't have drawn attention to the BW fans at all. My point doesn't change. We force ourselves as starcraft/rts/esports fans to swallow the pill of SC2 but if we remove ourselves from the force feeding and see SC2 as an independant game it's not very good. This is excluding all of the bnet 2.0 failures. Starcraft 2 was hugely successful on hype and hype alone. It was the sequel to one of the most successful PC games in history. It had one of the few gaming communities that has withstood the test of time and championed esports to incredible levels behind it before it ever released. We as a community enamored with starcraft culture have convinced ourselves into accepting SC2 as a great RTS, the next torch for 'esports' rather blindly. I challenge anyone to think this game would be anything other than a medicore RTS title had it not been for the fact it's starcraft's sequel. Perhaps that's an unfair challenge, that it's too hard to remove the culture behind starcraft and the hype built up for the release but I think time will tell. edit; to be clear (and fair) I think SC2 is better than a lot of PC games available, it's just not as good as it should be and the fact that the gameplay (and bnet 2.0) is largely unchanged after 2 years just reiterates my point. I think your point is still wrong. I got bored with BW around 2003 or so and it wasn't until SC2 was out for 6 months or so that I bought it. I had no idea of the hype leading up to the game. Outside of Korea the BW community was not that large how do you account for the influx of people once SC2 came out? Many people never played BW and had no idea of the competitive scene yet are now huge SC2 fans so I just don't see how you can dismiss the success this game has had for 2 years with hype. | ||
CajunMan
United States823 Posts
![]() And we should all keep in mind these are just ideas most games don't tell you shit about the game till after release or beta these are just ideas they are bouncing around. Though like I said before LURKER AND GOLIATH PLZ | ||
BlueLanterna
291 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:09 CajunMan wrote: Idk what the collossus QQ is about quit QQing if your bad. Its a good unit and I personally loved the idea from beta to now. It's one of the new units I thought was really great. I do think Protoss could benefit from a Dark Archon though ![]() Colossus is not a good unit.Its the worst unit in sc2 right now bar none. | ||
Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:04 Gosi wrote: It just feels like Dustin Browder is using the Starcraft franchise so he can play out his bad fantasies of game design and unit design/roles and actually have people playing it. All this mess just feels more like some kind of Starcraft/Red Alert/MOBA cluster fuck. Units that are copies of BW units but still not the good BW unit. More gimmicky stuff that suits more in Red Alert and MOBAs (anti air spider mine? some wacky ass missile that makes mech even worse in TvT, that hook on the viper that is stolen from Pudge from DotA, you just don't need any timing and skill to hit your target, the charge upgrade on Ultralisk that you can find in like any MOBA game). Still no words on the Warpgate mechanic and the worst unit ever Colossus. zzzzzzzzzzz I was really hoping that WoL was the game where they tried new gimmicks to lure in the new players. "Holy shit Thors look badass!" "Mothership so high tech you can only have one!" "Banelings! Banelings! More banelings!" If they were smart they would spend HotS and LotV making SC2 a deep and durable eSport like BW was. "Corruptors boring, let's make them get money from channeling dmg on enemy buildings." I hope they get rid of that shitty mentality asap and focus on making SC2 a lasting eSport. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43759 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:10 Micket wrote: What about the carrier and mothership? I thought they were going to be removed. | ||
FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:00 Copymizer wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2012 02:39 crms wrote: starcraft 2 is not the great game that the starcraft diehard (bw maniacs) deserved. we have fooled ourselves into thinking starcraft2 is an amazing esport title but it's actually a mediocre PC RTS that nobody would play if it wasn't titled 'starcraft'. It sucks because I was so hyped for SC2, but after the hype dies you start to see the game much more clearly. I'm not convinced that HoTS is going to change any of the inherent problems with SC2. I agree with this as well. I have no long legacy with the franchise of starcraft but after having played sc2 for almost 2 years now and followed bw scene immediate after i found it, also 2 years now, i am feeling the same way. The respected 'Starcraft' label made me buy it. And what made you play it for two years? oO | ||
densha
United States797 Posts
It would have been very helpful to break entrenched positions and to help Z engage Protoss armies. Now that it only works on bio units I don't see the point - wouldn't you rather have infestors against bio? | ||
Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
The Nexus recall thing needs to go though, it's the anti-retard magnet. Bad play has to be punished. I'm dissapointed i have to say. It's like they are doing everything possible to avoid adding the stuff from BW, even though they realize that would be the best way to go about it lol. "anti air spider mines" rotfl just add the goliath and change the Seeker missile (call it ... etaidarri) | ||
CajunMan
United States823 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:10 TheKefka wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2012 03:09 CajunMan wrote: Idk what the collossus QQ is about quit QQing if your bad. Its a good unit and I personally loved the idea from beta to now. It's one of the new units I thought was really great. I do think Protoss could benefit from a Dark Archon though ![]() Colossus is not a good unit.Its the worst unit in sc2 right now bar none. Why? Seems to do what its intended and very well and can be very fragile by itself. | ||
BigBossX
United Kingdom357 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:07 Forikorder wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2012 03:04 Gosi wrote: It just feels like Dustin Browder is using the Starcraft franchise so he can play out his bad fantasies of game design and unit design/roles and actually have people playing it. All this mess just feels more like some kind of Starcraft/Red Alert/MOBA cluster fuck. Units that are copies of BW units but still not the good BW unit. More gimmicky stuff that suits more in Red Alert and MOBAs (anti air spider mine? some wacky ass missile that makes mech even worse in TvT, that hook on the viper that is stolen from Pudge from DotA, you just don't need any timing and skill to hit your target, the charge upgrade on Ultralisk that you can find in like any MOBA game). Still no words on the Warpgate mechanic and the worst unit ever Colossus. zzzzzzzzzzz people like this are the reason Blizz is so silent about HoTS Well maybe if blizz were more open about HOTS and acknowledged some of the many issues people wouldn't be making posts like this? These posts exist for a reason dude ... | ||
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