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would love to see nukes being abused more though maybe give the ghosts increased range to guide the missile.Developers Update : Heart of the Swarm - Page 15
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
would love to see nukes being abused more though maybe give the ghosts increased range to guide the missile. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
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Berailfor
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:39 crms wrote: starcraft 2 is not the great game that the starcraft diehard (bw maniacs) deserved. we have fooled ourselves into thinking starcraft2 is an amazing esport title but it's actually a mediocre PC RTS that nobody would play if it wasn't titled 'starcraft'. It sucks because I was so hyped for SC2, but after the hype dies you start to see the game much more clearly. I'm not convinced that HoTS is going to change any of the inherent problems with SC2. I agree with this as well. I have no long legacy with the franchise of starcraft but after having played sc2 for almost 2 years now and followed bw scene immediate after i found it, also 2 years now, i am feeling the same way. The respected 'Starcraft' label made me buy it. | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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Xingke
United States78 Posts
Not too hot on the "long range missle" idea though. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:50 Falling wrote: Viper eating minerals for energy is kinda awkward. It might work, but not in the middle of combat unless you are fighting right on top of an expansion. God they are so pathetic if they let Vipers eat minerals. Such blatant copy of Consume but Browder got too much pride he can't make it exactly like BW. Either use old abilities that make sense or come up with something new. Looks like they wasted a ton of time and resources for the Blizzcon presentation and a lot of it won't have an impact on HotS. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
mass gate all in, or macro. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't just mean the traditional late game Protoss deathball. Even gateway units are slow in comparison to the lower-tier Terran and Zerg units. Plus the Protoss units have very different speeds, which makes a retreat annoying (the spellcasters get picked off quite easily). The different movespeed is actually a good thing and there should be more of that.It rewards superior mechanical players that keep their units on split hotkeys and watch how they position them while moving in a group and right before a attack. Protoss is just a huge cluster fuck of broken units right now,not OP or UP just broken as in they don't work in a good way and cause more problems than good things in general for the protoss and the balance of the game as a whole.I'm a protoss player and I stopped playing ladder for a while because its just boring to be a protoss right now. From all of the races protoss needs a rework form the ground up and blizzard is dodging that bullet since the game came out and a lot of balance decisions that they made through out patches was to try patch and sow together the protoss as a whole.Its really really frustrating,the first thing that needs to go is the fucking colossus. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Though I kind of liked the idea of a T3 anti air capital ship that was weak vs ground on Protoss, because it could give the hydra and the viking more roles in vP, creating more strategies and more dynamics. | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
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di3alot
172 Posts
does he mine them?when yes i would mine the shit out of any third when no he would always have full energy either way this seems very hard to balance around that but the idea is cool.i like it when they want to make the overseer cooler just allow the changeling to burrow move without upgrade like a temp "underseer" with a shorter life like 90sec. and attach them to the overseer so if he is arround he can live forrrever xD | ||
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:01 Condor Hero wrote: God they are so pathetic if they let Vipers eat minerals. Such blatant copy of Consume but Browder got too much pride he can't make it exactly like BW. Either use old abilities that make sense or come up with something new. Looks like they wasted a ton of time and resources for the Blizzcon presentation and a lot of it won't have an impact on HotS. Yeah this is just like the "Oh, corruptors are useless for the most part? Why don't we let them siphon money from enemy buildings" Are you fucking serious? That is the stupidest RTS mechanic I've seen in a long time. I'm really glad they know when to give up on certain ideas but some of the ones they're not backing away from are nearly as bad. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
Units that are copies of BW units but still not the good BW unit. More gimmicky stuff that suits more in Red Alert and MOBAs (anti air spider mine? some wacky ass missile that makes mech even worse in TvT, that hook on the viper that is stolen from Pudge from DotA, you just don't need any timing and skill to hit your target, the charge upgrade on Ultralisk that you can find in like any MOBA game). Still no words on the Warpgate mechanic and the worst unit ever Colossus. zzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:58 crms wrote: Perhaps BW maniacs was the wrong term. I myself didn't even play BW, I was purely a spectator. Perhaps I shouldn't have drawn attention to the BW fans at all. My point doesn't change. We force ourselves as starcraft/rts/esports fans to swallow the pill of SC2 but if we remove ourselves from the force feeding and see SC2 as an independant game it's not very good. This is excluding all of the bnet 2.0 failures. Starcraft 2 was hugely successful on hype and hype alone. It was the sequel to one of the most successful PC games in history. It had one of the few gaming communities that has withstood the test of time and championed esports to incredible levels behind it before it ever released. We as a community enamored with starcraft culture have convinced ourselves into accepting SC2 as a great RTS, the next torch for 'esports' rather blindly. I challenge anyone to think this game would be anything other than a medicore RTS title had it not been for the fact it's starcraft's sequel. Perhaps that's an unfair challenge, that it's too hard to remove the culture behind starcraft and the hype built up for the release but I think time will tell. edit; to be clear (and fair) I think SC2 is better than a lot of PC games available, it's just not as good as it should be and the fact that the gameplay (and bnet 2.0) is largely unchanged after 2 years just reiterates my point. lol wut? Hype would not stand the test of time. SC2 did. It has been for 2 years now and it's still going strong in Esport. Gameplay unchanged after 2 years? Are you kidding me? | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
Also, for zerg I bet they remove burrowed movement banes and possibly ultras diving move. Very underwhelmed by the swarmlord for zerg, vipe sounds promising, but we'll see. I bet abduct (is that the scorpion move?) gets removed as well. Glad they decided to keep overseer, detection without overseer would have been horrible for zerg. | ||
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:04 Gosi wrote: It just feels like Dustin Browder is using the Starcraft franchise so he can play out his bad fantasies of game design and unit design/roles and actually have people playing it. All this mess just feels more like some kind of Starcraft/Red Alert/MOBA cluster fuck. Units that are copies of BW units but still not the good BW unit. More gimmicky stuff that suits more in Red Alert and MOBAs (anti air spider mine? some wacky ass missile that makes mech even worse in TvT, that hook on the viper that is stolen from Pudge from DotA, you just don't need any timing and skill to hit your target, the charge upgrade on Ultralisk that you can find in like any MOBA game). Still no words on the Warpgate mechanic and the worst unit ever Colossus. zzzzzzzzzzz The colossus would be a tolerable unit if you had to actually "siege" it to make it immobile before it could start firing. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
This... is glorious *drools*. And good, I liked the Thor and never liked the idea of Hero Thor. Protoss get an air siege unit?Ummm, how about Buffing the Carrier?_? I also don't think the range upgrade has helped that much against Mutas. I'd rather have the Phoenix get the splash damage ability it had from the previews. And wow, the Viper got a mineral harass ability. Sounds good. More types of Nydus? I will need to see them in action before I comment, I guess it has potential. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:00 Odal wrote: So what's the point of the tempest? And what does the tempest do that a slightly tweaked carrier couldn't? I feel like an artist designed a cool ship model and now they are doing anything they can to squeeze it into the game, lol. It can serve a splash damage role anti-air. It also isn't crippled by marines, which is a big problem with the carriers viability in SC2. A ball of tightly packed marines (or even hydras) just shred interceptors apart, and if you give them enough health to survive that they become OP against everything else. The interceptor just doesn't fit within the SC2 engine with a lot of damage and firepower in tighter formations, BW obviously was different. | ||
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