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Gojira621
Profile Joined October 2010
United States374 Posts
April 10 2012 23:02 GMT
#121
Part of it is likely them being polite. Another is the fact that people lose interest when the final 8 of most of these major LANs is pretty much all korean. I watch GSL for sick koreans I want to see other players shine in other leagues. People lose interest, and soon people won't want to watch many non korean tournaments and sponsors will drop, and then koreans will be stuck with just GSL, which is beyond amazingly difficult to get into and much more difficult to have good results.
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TheHansBecker
Profile Joined February 2011
United States117 Posts
April 10 2012 23:04 GMT
#122
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wwowz
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
April 10 2012 23:33 GMT
#123
I am an active user at playxp.com (korean SC community) and I can approve this message as well. Koreans do want foreingers to win. Sometimes they worry that too much korean dominance will ruin foreign E-sports community... That's why some of the fans are rooting for foreign players like stephano hardcore.
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
April 10 2012 23:36 GMT
#124
Not really all that surprising. Back in the days of Grrr and Assem, there was a huge uprising and support for them to do well by Koreans in the individual and team leagues.

Shit, even Greg got support in Korea. I don't know if I'd go as far to say that he was told by pros to "win", but he was well-liked.

I think the reason is that Koreans realize that having a foreign hope will drive competition more, and will make more tournaments, thus they will be invited to compete against the "best foreigners" more often. Seems like they are investing in the long term with this. And no, it's not meant to be sinister or evil - they genuinely like our passion and desire to succeed no matter what, which is why they always say that they love American / foreign crowds at tournaments because we cheer like apes.
C r u m b l i n g
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 23:40:10
April 10 2012 23:38 GMT
#125
How about the argument that it just makes for more diversity of players, and more self-identity players around the world can relate with.
It would put the game more on par with others such as in the Olympics (or other global competitions) where there's many different sorts of countries represented.

This reason probably isn't one of the more major one though, since many of the ones mentioned fulfill more of a selfish view, and/or are have more force/realism.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 10 2012 23:42 GMT
#126
I think it's too preemptive to take the desires of 3 guys as a reflection of the sentiment of all Koreans.
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Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
April 10 2012 23:48 GMT
#127
On April 11 2012 08:33 wwowz wrote:
I am an active user at playxp.com (korean SC community) and I can approve this message as well. Koreans do want foreingers to win. Sometimes they worry that too much korean dominance will ruin foreign E-sports community... That's why some of the fans are rooting for foreign players like stephano hardcore.


This. Many hardcore foreign fans don't seem to understand that the long-term viability of sc2 rests on the foreign community's ability to produce players that can compete at the highest levels. Without that sort of sustainability, sc2 will fade away much like quake has over the last two years.
Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
April 10 2012 23:51 GMT
#128
On April 10 2012 09:15 Mohdoo wrote:
Too bad their players don't. Naniwa and others have commented on how Koreans all band together and share replays to beat foreigners like Naniwa and other top players who are actually on their level. But with all of their working together, they are able to always beat foreigners just due to the fact that their replays are shared by practice partners they trusted.



okay.. thats some bullshit right there.
Just because you have someones reply wont mean youll be able to outplay another.
Plus watching us foreigners verses koreans shows clearly the difference in control which cant be just learned from watching replays, you're just being ignorant.
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
April 10 2012 23:55 GMT
#129
Of course Koreans want foreigners to have a little success.

SC2 isn't very popular in Korea. Maybe this will change a little with it starting on OGN etc. But that's all conjecture at this point. Foreigner money is propping up the scene at the moment, why do you think it is that GOM gives charity seeds to foreigners in the GSL? It's because they think this will help increase subscriptions if foreigners have someone to cheer for.

For me personally, I don't care where the players are from. I just enjoy the actual game. All my favourite players are Korean because they are by far the most skilled.
Opeasy
Profile Joined August 2011
107 Posts
April 10 2012 23:58 GMT
#130
Personally I don't think it matters if they are koreans or not, as long as they are likable and not a "grey mouse". MC is a person everyone can like, because he is theatrical and lively. Koreans probably want the game to stay popular all over, so it's good to have different champions. Still, i don't see it happening before more korean teams pick up foreigners. Take thorzains stay, he improved so much. If he stayed a year, he would be winning tournaments left and right
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
April 11 2012 00:04 GMT
#131
On April 10 2012 08:26 GoSuChicken wrote:
I dont know if this is worth a thread, but I think its quite interesting, that some koreans want to see foreigners to win tournaments like IPL4

Source: http://www.twitch.tv/iplliveu/b/314371855 Starting @ ~38 min both aLive and Ganzi state that they want Stephano to win/do well because hes a foreigner and there are so many koreans in foreign tourneys, earlier in this vod MMA stated the same starting @~21 min.

This is in my opinion very interesting since there is so much talking going on about how it sucks that foreigners arent able to compete with koreans. I see various reasons too why koreans now want foreigners to do well. One would obviously be that they're just being polite, since they're interviewed by foreigners.
Another reason, and that is the interesting one for me, is that they realize that foreigners cheer more for foreign players, and that they might stop paying attention to tournaments if there are only korean players flying to for example MLG and taking top 30.

What do you guys think, why do koreans want foreigners to do well?



Did people think koreans band together to eliminate foreigners or something? EVERYONE wants players to win, it's just that foreigners aren't good enough to compete. The korean progamers aren't going to play less hard in the game just because they like white people winning. Their goal is to win too by any legal means possible.

I played high school basketball, I knew people on teams we had to play against I wanted them to win but I still played my hardest to beat them.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
April 11 2012 00:10 GMT
#132
stephano does beat koreans, he's done it before maybe they weren't paying attention
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
April 11 2012 00:25 GMT
#133
On April 11 2012 09:10 emc wrote:
stephano does beat koreans, he's done it before maybe they weren't paying attention

I think they want more then 1 person tough...
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
April 11 2012 00:31 GMT
#134
This is indeed the case for many many Korean SC2 fans. Stephano is a phenom over there, and Huk to a lesser extent. People find Idra rage/BM amusing to watch, but Naniwa's... not so much
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-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
April 11 2012 00:34 GMT
#135
Awww cute they feel bad for us!
Frogsox
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia274 Posts
April 11 2012 00:40 GMT
#136
My opinion is that they want foreigners to win so that the foreign scene continues to grow so that they have events to come to overseas and aren't locked up in Korea like the BW scene was. That's my hope, anyway.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
April 11 2012 00:41 GMT
#137
In my opinion, I believe that if your on a pro team (outside or inside of korea) you should be able to win tournaments with korean invitees. Simply because...StarCraft is your job. If playing StarCraft is what you do all day everyday then you should at least be on equal footing with somebody (the koreans) who do the exact same thing. In this case, there's just no excuse for us foreigners lack of achievement whenever we attend tournaments with Korean presence.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
April 11 2012 00:42 GMT
#138
On April 11 2012 08:51 Fall.182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 09:15 Mohdoo wrote:
Too bad their players don't. Naniwa and others have commented on how Koreans all band together and share replays to beat foreigners like Naniwa and other top players who are actually on their level. But with all of their working together, they are able to always beat foreigners just due to the fact that their replays are shared by practice partners they trusted.



okay.. thats some bullshit right there.
Just because you have someones reply wont mean youll be able to outplay another.
Plus watching us foreigners verses koreans shows clearly the difference in control which cant be just learned from watching replays, you're just being ignorant.

It couldn't have gotten more BS than your post actually. GSL is a league where prepared builds matter the most, if a replay of your build is leaked 2 days prior to the groups are supposed to play, you're essentially fucked since your opponent can prepare a counter build.
warblob004
Profile Joined January 2011
United States198 Posts
April 11 2012 00:43 GMT
#139
CAUSE STEPHANO IS AWESOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME.

Iccup =
A+ - all Korean
A - all Korean
A- - one foreigner with like 400 games, rest Korean with like 70 games
B+ - all korean
B - couple foreigners
etc etc etc..
"I have not failed; I've simply found 10,000 ways it won't work." ~Thomas Edison
basballguy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States35 Posts
April 11 2012 00:43 GMT
#140
so tired of being referred to as a "foriegner" on a game that was originally developed by a US company for the US market.

I'm sure that's been beaten down plenty times already though....

nonetheless, it makes sense (what the koreans say)
It's not always rainbows and butterflies; it's compromise that moves us along.
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