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On April 11 2012 09:40 Frogsox wrote:
My opinion is that they want foreigners to win so that the foreign scene continues to grow so that they have events to come to overseas and aren't locked up in Korea like the BW scene was. That's my hope, anyway.
you are absolutely right. Often the posts on playxp.com (again korean SC community) suggests that SC2 is a "failure" by Blizzard as it isn't so much popular in Korea (which is unrepresentative decision). Many people are afraid that if foreign players are done with competing against Koreans, SC2 scene will fall miserably and the hope of becoming globla E sport will be over.
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Polt gave an interview at the recent MLG and he said that if he himself did not win that tournament, he would like Huk to win it.
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On April 11 2012 09:43 basballguy wrote:
so tired of being referred to as a "foriegner" on a game that was originally developed by a US company for the US market.
I'm sure that's been beaten down plenty times already though....
nonetheless, it makes sense (what the koreans say)
I feel you man.
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No surprise. I usually cheer against the U.S. in the olympics.
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lol, off topic, I saw naniwa's name a few threads ago and I finally remembered something, do you guys remember the prison break character haywire? LOL, he fucking looks like him, I swear.
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If Koreans, generally speaking, want to see foreigners at the top of the podium why aren't they picking up foreigners in their rosters. The globalization in starcraft 2 has come from the western teams and not the Korean teams. The Gom TV house has had a terrible practice environment and the seeds to GSL is just to make fool of the Westerners. I have a hard time to see any positive interaction from Koreans that has benefited the western scene. The OGS+TL, Slayers+EG and ST+Quantic came to be by nagging foreigners and not by generous Koreans. The entire SC2 Korean scene (GSL) was initiated by Blizzard and i can go on and on. The world tournament that was held with a team match and a regular single elimination bracket didn't help the western scene at all. That tournament was created so that the viewership would go up, spur interest and so that the GSL could maintain itself economically by foreigner money. That's my 0.02$
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While fans will all admit - we want to watch a championship bout with greatness, amazing plays etc - we all want to root for our favorite players. A good number of those players are non-koreans. We also like to watch and root for our countrymen, and hope they do well.
I won't say that people are racist - but we do like to cheer for a countryman - to boast that their country represented well at a tournement and bested the others.
This means, that viewerships go up and down based on how many non-Koreans remain or are involved in a tournament. If a single foreigner remains, viewership stays to a degree - fans will change allegiance and will root for an underdog or not their typical player - and root for that single remaining player amongst the Sc2 gods from Korea.
Ultimately, and I wish I had the numbers and stats for IPL4 and other recent tourneys- if the Player pool is all from a single country - foreigner viewership might fall quite a bit. Possibly enormously so. If that was to occur quite a few times in a single year, and viewer statistics being the source of commercial sponsorships - tournaments and prize pools might dry up.
It is without question that the best paying and successful tournament are outside the GSL. The GSL takes an enormous commitment from a player to residing in Korea, and only able to leave during down time or if that player is knocked out of the GSL as that tournament continues. The same player can make equal or greater compensation with a good finish at a weekend long tournament - 1 month+ static commitment, or tour the world and a 3 day commitment - it is easy math to see where the money is.
So, for non-Korean tournaments to continue - viewerships need to stay up, and stay consistent or on the rise continuously.
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On April 11 2012 09:43 basballguy wrote:
so tired of being referred to as a "foriegner" on a game that was originally developed by a US company for the US market.
I'm sure that's been beaten down plenty times already though....
nonetheless, it makes sense (what the koreans say)
Are you sure about it being developed for the US market? I've never heard about this. I think blizzard was aiming at a global market. It would be kinda strange if they weren't.
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On April 11 2012 10:00 archonOOid wrote:
If Koreans, generally speaking, want to see foreigners at the top of the podium why aren't they picking up foreigners in their rosters. The globalization in starcraft 2 has come from the western teams and not the Korean teams. The Gom TV house has had a terrible practice environment and the seeds to GSL is just to make fool of the Westerners. I have a hard time to see any positive interaction from Koreans that has benefited the western scene. The OGS+TL, Slayers+EG and ST+Quantic came to be by nagging foreigners and not by generous Koreans. The entire SC2 Korean scene (GSL) was initiated by Blizzard and i can go on and on. The world tournament that was held with a team match and a regular single elimination bracket didn't help the western scene at all. That tournament was created so that the viewership would go up, spur interest and so that the GSL could maintain itself economically by foreigner money. That's my 0.02$
This makes no sense.
You want them to pick up unknown foreigners add them to their team/house including a translator cause the foreigners can't win on their own?
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On April 11 2012 10:04 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 10:00 archonOOid wrote:
If Koreans, generally speaking, want to see foreigners at the top of the podium why aren't they picking up foreigners in their rosters. The globalization in starcraft 2 has come from the western teams and not the Korean teams. The Gom TV house has had a terrible practice environment and the seeds to GSL is just to make fool of the Westerners. I have a hard time to see any positive interaction from Koreans that has benefited the western scene. The OGS+TL, Slayers+EG and ST+Quantic came to be by nagging foreigners and not by generous Koreans. The entire SC2 Korean scene (GSL) was initiated by Blizzard and i can go on and on. The world tournament that was held with a team match and a regular single elimination bracket didn't help the western scene at all. That tournament was created so that the viewership would go up, spur interest and so that the GSL could maintain itself economically by foreigner money. That's my 0.02$ This makes no sense. You want them to pick up unknown foreigners add them to their team/house including a translator cause the foreigners can't win on their own?
Not at all - more that team house training was initiated by the non-koreans, and not initiated by the teams. Further, they are joint team ventures, I off the top of my head cannot think of a foreign player straight up recruited long term by a Korean team.
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On April 11 2012 09:25 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:10 emc wrote:
stephano does beat koreans, he's done it before maybe they weren't paying attention I think they want more then 1 person tough...
he's won IPL twice? he beat polt in lone star awhile back? he wins plenty.
i see what you meant... well we aren't going to have more foreigners win anything unless they get their act together
they must be getting sick of winning everything. the foreign tournaments will continue to go on as long as the koreans are willing to travel which they are, koreans bring crowds to tournaments whether you believe that or not.
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On April 11 2012 10:09 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:25 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2012 09:10 emc wrote:
stephano does beat koreans, he's done it before maybe they weren't paying attention I think they want more then 1 person tough... he's won IPL twice? he beat polt in lone star awhile back? he wins plenty.
I don't wanna be the rude but that is still 1 person...
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On April 11 2012 10:02 Grimmyman123 wrote:
blip
Racism and nationalism are not the same thing. Whether or not you support Koreans or foreigners, it doesn't make you nor anyone a racist.
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On April 11 2012 10:11 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 10:09 emc wrote:On April 11 2012 09:25 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2012 09:10 emc wrote:
stephano does beat koreans, he's done it before maybe they weren't paying attention I think they want more then 1 person tough... he's won IPL twice? he beat polt in lone star awhile back? he wins plenty. I don't wanna be the rude but that is still 1 person...
sure but whats the difference between 1 korean winning everything and multiple koreans winning everything? they are still korean. I see it the same way for foreigners, if stephano is winning everything then that's good enough for me to realize we have a chance. I don't care if idra was winning or if stephano was winning or if they both were, they are foreigners and that's enough for me.
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I think Koreans realize that we are just players, and national ties mean little when you're playing a player in Starcraft or watching a player in one sense (although it is quite fun to root for USA  ) But seriously, encouraging all players to do well is a great tradition IMO, and especially raises people's spirits and dedication to become a great SC2 pro player.
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People want foriegners to win but unfortunately they are just not able to do it.
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I hate the term Foreigner.
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because if this keeps up, in 1 year, the sc2 scene will start to resemble BW and the foreign fanbase will move on to the next shiny new game. yeah, there are some of us who aren't that shallow - a minority, look at the BW section now.
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On April 11 2012 10:18 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 10:11 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2012 10:09 emc wrote:On April 11 2012 09:25 Assirra wrote:On April 11 2012 09:10 emc wrote:
stephano does beat koreans, he's done it before maybe they weren't paying attention I think they want more then 1 person tough... he's won IPL twice? he beat polt in lone star awhile back? he wins plenty. I don't wanna be the rude but that is still 1 person... sure but whats the difference between 1 korean winning everything and multiple koreans winning everything? they are still korean. I see it the same way for foreigners, if stephano is winning everything then that's good enough for me to realize we have a chance. I don't care if idra was winning or if stephano was winning or if they both were, they are foreigners and that's enough for me.
Except that the main point here.
There is not 1 korean winning everything ever since MVP his wrists got worse.
The one that looked that way was MKP and he didn't for IPL.
You need depth to compete.
What you gonne do when Stephano retires? Wait for the next one foreigner in the hope he arises to combat the swarm of koreans?
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I think it all depends on foriengers to step up their game.
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