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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
April 11 2012 13:11 GMT
#181
On April 11 2012 21:40 tymt wrote:
good thing naniwa will win code s season 2 then.

Let him win more then 1 single match in GSL first shall we.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
April 11 2012 14:24 GMT
#182
On April 11 2012 22:04 mememolly wrote:
some of the new guys/girls if they put in work could threaten the korean domination, people like Scarlett illusion etc but the old guard, idra incontrol huk thorzain naniwa etc haven't got a chance imo otherwise they would have proven themselves by now


I guess you know everything about GSL since you've been there so many times and practiced there. Right? You clearly have no clue.

There's koreans practicing just as hard as these foreign players you mentioned who haven't been able to do well in Code-S eihter. It's not just something you show up to and win on your first try. Try to understand the extreme amount of talent that participates there and evaluate your opinions.
Killcycle
Profile Joined January 2011
United States170 Posts
April 12 2012 01:25 GMT
#183
On April 11 2012 12:16 freakhill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 10:28 Killcycle wrote:
I hate the term Foreigner.


Why?


It's a bit annoying to be called a foreigner to a game produced in your country by your citizens.
I fear not the shadows of glory nor the echoes of eternity; place before me a true rendition of greatness... and then we shall see.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
April 12 2012 01:32 GMT
#184
I think incorporating Koreans into foreign teams should help in terms of practice habits and regiments. Probably could also use some coaches. Given how much money there is in the foreign tournament scene, surely there'd be enough money in terms of player development. Otherwise, I can't see how one can reduce the Korean vs Foreigner gap in the near future.

On April 12 2012 10:25 Killcycle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 12:16 freakhill wrote:
On April 11 2012 10:28 Killcycle wrote:
I hate the term Foreigner.


Why?


It's a bit annoying to be called a foreigner to a game produced in your country by your citizens.


It's just easier than to write non-Koreans.
Meh
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 03:11:14
April 12 2012 03:08 GMT
#185
do soccer players or musicians play for money? or do they do it because they love it, and try to make a living off of it if possible.
other responsibilities and/or market availability will force their decision but their passion comes before their need for money.

so talks of "foreigners have no chance of winning so why would they continue" i dont think is a legitimate excuse, an excuse but not legitimate enough to earn sympathy.

foreign teams NEED korean coach/players in their environment. look at all pro sports, such as korean football using dutch coaches and american speed skating using korean coaches. as a stepping stone for further improvement. (many teams are obviously doing this, not to win but to improve)
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 03:11:18
April 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#186
Everyone wants to hear a good story.

On April 12 2012 12:08 jinorazi wrote:
do soccer players or musicians play for money? or do they do it because they love it, and try to make a living off of it if possible.
other responsibilities and/or market availability will force their decision but their passion comes before their need for money.

so talks of "foreigners have no chance of winning so why would they continue" i dont think is a legitimate excuse, an excuse but not legitimate, enough to earn sympathy.

foreign teams NEED korean coach/players in their environment. look at all pro sports, such as korean football using dutch coaches and american speed skating using korean coaches. as a stepping stone for further improvement. (many teams are obviously doing this, not to win but to improve)


What they need is better discipline. -__-
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
April 12 2012 03:21 GMT
#187
How can the cash cow continue to feed the Koreans if they beat the cow to death? They know foreign tournaments will die if the Koreans keep winning them.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 03:24:04
April 12 2012 03:22 GMT
#188
On April 12 2012 12:10 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone wants to hear a good story.

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 12:08 jinorazi wrote:
do soccer players or musicians play for money? or do they do it because they love it, and try to make a living off of it if possible.
other responsibilities and/or market availability will force their decision but their passion comes before their need for money.

so talks of "foreigners have no chance of winning so why would they continue" i dont think is a legitimate excuse, an excuse but not legitimate, enough to earn sympathy.

foreign teams NEED korean coach/players in their environment. look at all pro sports, such as korean football using dutch coaches and american speed skating using korean coaches. as a stepping stone for further improvement. (many teams are obviously doing this, not to win but to improve)


What they need is better discipline. -__-


or coach(one who can 'bitch slap' players that needs it, or with...love/care?), to put it simply.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
April 12 2012 03:28 GMT
#189
fully agree with the person above. all pro sports (or even life) depends on coaching/mentoring.
boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
April 12 2012 03:35 GMT
#190
On April 11 2012 21:40 tymt wrote:
good thing naniwa will win code s season 2 then.


I can see him getting out of his group ez-pz. I mean look at it, it's 2 people who should be in code B and Puzzle. Naniwa should get out easily. I like both Ryung and MVP, but they're not anywhere near Naniwa's level at the moment, I don't see MVP even staying in code A next season. However, the rest of the tournament is pretty difficult. Oz, Parting, Hero, Genius all have pretty sick PvPs any of them can end his run as soon as the first thing goes wrong.
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
April 12 2012 03:35 GMT
#191
Koreans are always mannered and if a foreigner wins, sc2 would get more known throughout the world.
Mmm, what to watch.
CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
April 12 2012 03:54 GMT
#192
On April 12 2012 12:35 boxturtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:40 tymt wrote:
good thing naniwa will win code s season 2 then.


I can see him getting out of his group ez-pz. I mean look at it, it's 2 people who should be in code B and Puzzle. Naniwa should get out easily. I like both Ryung and MVP, but they're not anywhere near Naniwa's level at the moment, I don't see MVP even staying in code A next season. However, the rest of the tournament is pretty difficult. Oz, Parting, Hero, Genius all have pretty sick PvPs any of them can end his run as soon as the first thing goes wrong.


I think you may be overstating Nani's abilities just a tad. I think it will be a major accomplishment just to get out of that group. Saying MVP and Ryung should be in code B... I'm not sure I agree with you there. If MVP is healthy he is a monster. I think you're being harsh on Ryung, although TvP is his worst match up.

I'm hoping that a foreigner steps up and really competes with the Koreans soon, but I'm not pinning my hopes on Naniwa.
MC || HuK || MMA || Squirtle || TLO || Sea || HerO || MarineKing || MVP || NesTea
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
April 12 2012 06:13 GMT
#193
On April 12 2012 12:35 boxturtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 21:40 tymt wrote:
good thing naniwa will win code s season 2 then.


I can see him getting out of his group ez-pz. I mean look at it, it's 2 people who should be in code B and Puzzle. Naniwa should get out easily. I like both Ryung and MVP, but they're not anywhere near Naniwa's level at the moment, I don't see MVP even staying in code A next season. However, the rest of the tournament is pretty difficult. Oz, Parting, Hero, Genius all have pretty sick PvPs any of them can end his run as soon as the first thing goes wrong.


Are you serious? Mvp got straight back into Code S this season and beat some pretty good players to do so.
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 12 2012 06:14 GMT
#194
Who doesn't like to cheer for an underdog.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 06:17:56
April 12 2012 06:17 GMT
#195
On April 12 2012 15:13 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 12:35 boxturtle wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:40 tymt wrote:
good thing naniwa will win code s season 2 then.


I can see him getting out of his group ez-pz. I mean look at it, it's 2 people who should be in code B and Puzzle. Naniwa should get out easily. I like both Ryung and MVP, but they're not anywhere near Naniwa's level at the moment, I don't see MVP even staying in code A next season. However, the rest of the tournament is pretty difficult. Oz, Parting, Hero, Genius all have pretty sick PvPs any of them can end his run as soon as the first thing goes wrong.


Are you serious? Mvp got straight back into Code S this season and beat some pretty good players to do so.


2-1 Sniper... some pretty good players?
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boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
April 12 2012 06:33 GMT
#196
On April 12 2012 15:17 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 15:13 zefreak wrote:
On April 12 2012 12:35 boxturtle wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:40 tymt wrote:
good thing naniwa will win code s season 2 then.


I can see him getting out of his group ez-pz. I mean look at it, it's 2 people who should be in code B and Puzzle. Naniwa should get out easily. I like both Ryung and MVP, but they're not anywhere near Naniwa's level at the moment, I don't see MVP even staying in code A next season. However, the rest of the tournament is pretty difficult. Oz, Parting, Hero, Genius all have pretty sick PvPs any of them can end his run as soon as the first thing goes wrong.


Are you serious? Mvp got straight back into Code S this season and beat some pretty good players to do so.


2-1 Sniper... some pretty good players?


This and IdrA recently making him look like a noob. Also, those games v gumiho last season showed exactly how far he's fallen. His control is nothing impressive due to his wrist problems, and losing to a bunch of landed vikings 3 games in 1 day shows his strategic skill has fallen off greatly.
Meridian.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States7 Posts
April 12 2012 06:34 GMT
#197
They know that if the foreigner community continues to post lackluster results and continues falling behind in skill then the foreigner market is going to continue to fade.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 06:37:58
April 12 2012 06:37 GMT
#198
On April 12 2012 15:33 boxturtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 15:17 Inflicted_ wrote:
On April 12 2012 15:13 zefreak wrote:
On April 12 2012 12:35 boxturtle wrote:
On April 11 2012 21:40 tymt wrote:
good thing naniwa will win code s season 2 then.


I can see him getting out of his group ez-pz. I mean look at it, it's 2 people who should be in code B and Puzzle. Naniwa should get out easily. I like both Ryung and MVP, but they're not anywhere near Naniwa's level at the moment, I don't see MVP even staying in code A next season. However, the rest of the tournament is pretty difficult. Oz, Parting, Hero, Genius all have pretty sick PvPs any of them can end his run as soon as the first thing goes wrong.


Are you serious? Mvp got straight back into Code S this season and beat some pretty good players to do so.


2-1 Sniper... some pretty good players?


This and IdrA recently making him look like a noob. Also, those games v gumiho last season showed exactly how far he's fallen. His control is nothing impressive due to his wrist problems, and losing to a bunch of landed vikings 3 games in 1 day shows his strategic skill has fallen off greatly.


Yeah, it pains me to see him play badly because of the injury. Sigh, I wish he could get a surgery like Flash did but that would cost a fortune... Or maybe he needs to use his "GSL Saving" to pay for that.

On the other hand, he might not want to undergoes a surgery because he would have an excuse for not going to a military (well at least in Thailand if you are injured like that you can avoid conscription).
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Leimus
Profile Joined October 2011
72 Posts
April 12 2012 06:38 GMT
#199
It's not that weird to me that some Koreans want foreigners to win tournaments. Just think it for a bit that there was some sports or activity that was somewhat global, but certain one country always wins everything related to it. It's far more boring even for the winning country compared to a situation where the competition is evenly distributed among the part taking countries.

It's also a direct link to the financial success. The more global interest there is, the better the sports fare. It'd be totally weird if the korean pro gamers didn't wish for foreigners to do well. It's also totally reasonable that they still strive for winning.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1351 Posts
April 12 2012 06:39 GMT
#200
I gess foreigners also want to win.^^
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