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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
March 25 2012 12:40 GMT
#641
I would watch a SC 2 proleague.
I would watch a BW proleague (and I am).
I'm not watching a mix.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
March 25 2012 12:43 GMT
#642
On March 25 2012 20:25 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 20:22 NeonFox wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:15 Smileforyouandme wrote:
hmm just one more weirdo idea, just coming up while reading tons of posts here... maybe kespa programmers create scbw game with better graphics out of sc2...i know theres that mod floating around yet, but i am sure that kespa dudes could do much much more with some funding etc... would make everyone happy? the sc2 guys get their graphics and the better skilldisplaying mechanics... further: idra finally can win games :-D


Why do people keep bringing up stuff like this. It's not about graphics or whatnot, Brood War is not a "better game" than Sc2 for everyone out there.

Brood war "purists" are so incredibly annoying when all they can say is how BW is such a better game, accept the fact that some people don't agree with you, and (oh the blasphemy!) some even think Sc2 is better.


Starcraft 2 "purists" are as annoying as brood war ones

Any kind of fanatics or purists are annoying if not worse.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
March 25 2012 12:44 GMT
#643
On March 25 2012 21:31 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 20:25 Linwelin wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:22 NeonFox wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:15 Smileforyouandme wrote:
hmm just one more weirdo idea, just coming up while reading tons of posts here... maybe kespa programmers create scbw game with better graphics out of sc2...i know theres that mod floating around yet, but i am sure that kespa dudes could do much much more with some funding etc... would make everyone happy? the sc2 guys get their graphics and the better skilldisplaying mechanics... further: idra finally can win games :-D


Why do people keep bringing up stuff like this. It's not about graphics or whatnot, Brood War is not a "better game" than Sc2 for everyone out there.

Brood war "purists" are so incredibly annoying when all they can say is how BW is such a better game, accept the fact that some people don't agree with you, and (oh the blasphemy!) some even think Sc2 is better.


Starcraft 2 "purists" are as annoying as brood war ones

There's nothing about SC2 that makes it spawn purists the way BW does.

You should check out the LoL is number 1 in korea thread. It's hilarious.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
March 25 2012 13:30 GMT
#644
On March 25 2012 21:44 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 21:31 howLiN wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:25 Linwelin wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:22 NeonFox wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:15 Smileforyouandme wrote:
hmm just one more weirdo idea, just coming up while reading tons of posts here... maybe kespa programmers create scbw game with better graphics out of sc2...i know theres that mod floating around yet, but i am sure that kespa dudes could do much much more with some funding etc... would make everyone happy? the sc2 guys get their graphics and the better skilldisplaying mechanics... further: idra finally can win games :-D


Why do people keep bringing up stuff like this. It's not about graphics or whatnot, Brood War is not a "better game" than Sc2 for everyone out there.

Brood war "purists" are so incredibly annoying when all they can say is how BW is such a better game, accept the fact that some people don't agree with you, and (oh the blasphemy!) some even think Sc2 is better.


Starcraft 2 "purists" are as annoying as brood war ones

There's nothing about SC2 that makes it spawn purists the way BW does.

You should check out the LoL is number 1 in korea thread. It's hilarious.


I was laughing the whole way through. Seeing the SC2 Elitists on full display was a glorious sight.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
March 25 2012 13:35 GMT
#645
i don't want to watch a a blizzard league as i think the game and it's developer should be separated.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
March 25 2012 13:36 GMT
#646
On March 25 2012 21:35 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 21:31 howLiN wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:25 Linwelin wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:22 NeonFox wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:15 Smileforyouandme wrote:
hmm just one more weirdo idea, just coming up while reading tons of posts here... maybe kespa programmers create scbw game with better graphics out of sc2...i know theres that mod floating around yet, but i am sure that kespa dudes could do much much more with some funding etc... would make everyone happy? the sc2 guys get their graphics and the better skilldisplaying mechanics... further: idra finally can win games :-D


Why do people keep bringing up stuff like this. It's not about graphics or whatnot, Brood War is not a "better game" than Sc2 for everyone out there.

Brood war "purists" are so incredibly annoying when all they can say is how BW is such a better game, accept the fact that some people don't agree with you, and (oh the blasphemy!) some even think Sc2 is better.


Starcraft 2 "purists" are as annoying as brood war ones

There's nothing about SC2 that makes it spawn purists the way BW does.


lolol old game switch to new century shiny graphics lolol

That's not a purist. You know what "purist" means?
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 13:40:17
March 25 2012 13:38 GMT
#647
On March 25 2012 21:16 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 20:22 NeonFox wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:15 Smileforyouandme wrote:
hmm just one more weirdo idea, just coming up while reading tons of posts here... maybe kespa programmers create scbw game with better graphics out of sc2...i know theres that mod floating around yet, but i am sure that kespa dudes could do much much more with some funding etc... would make everyone happy? the sc2 guys get their graphics and the better skilldisplaying mechanics... further: idra finally can win games :-D


Why do people keep bringing up stuff like this. It's not about graphics or whatnot, Brood War is not a "better game" than Sc2 for everyone out there.

Brood war "purists" are so incredibly annoying when all they can say is how BW is such a better game, accept the fact that some people don't agree with you, and (oh the blasphemy!) some even think Sc2 is better.

The issue with sc2 people even attempting to compare the games is as follows: The absolute vast majority of sc2 people have never actually played bw, and the absolute vast majority of bw people have played sc2. I don't think proponents of sc2 actually understand how fundamentally stupid it is to attempt to make objective judgements on something that you don't know anything about. Compare it to this: I've never played racquetball or squash, but I've played badminton and tennis extensively. Now I go around telling everyone I know that "badminton is actually a better game than both racquetball and squash, because it's so much nicer to watch and easier to play, even though i've never played squash" I'd be the laughingstock of the entire place, and justly.

I 100% guarantee you that amongst people who have played both games (I'm not talking about downloading bw and playing 2 games vs the ai like most sc2 people did to attempt to add credibility, I'm talking about actual players who've played a lot in an attempt to improve and understand the game) the consensus is that bw is a far better and more satisfying game. It's not even a debate amongst these people, which is why threads like these are so frustrating.

In addition, there's so much pressure on the bw community to "switch and join this century lolololol," where there's absolutely no pressure in the reverse direction. I have no idea why everyone thinks that bw needs to die in order for sc2 to succeed, if sc2 can prove itself as a viable and long lasting esport, then cool let it exist. Speaking as someone who vastly prefers watching brood war to sc2, even though I still watch both, there's a huge double standard in that respect. BW players and fans would be completely satisfied to just have their game continue to exist and thrive in korea, and I'm incredibly sad to see this movement on kespa's part to include sc2 in proleague. Let both people have their fun for crying out loud, and don't force sc2 on people who don't want it!

I can't think of any other way to speak about this inherent double standard when the two scenes of sc2 and bw collide.

You have to be careful now. Is BW a more satisfying game to watch or to play?

Personally, SC2 is a far more satisfying game to play than BW is since I'm not a pro player (~master's and was C level in BW). Also, SC2 with good English commentary (GOM) is actually more satisfying to watch for me than the average ProLeague game in BW. However, I would watch BW ProLeague over SC2 ProLeague simply because there's so much more history with the BW players that I could identify with.

I disagree that there's a double-standard here.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
March 25 2012 13:44 GMT
#648
On March 25 2012 22:36 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 21:35 Linwelin wrote:
On March 25 2012 21:31 howLiN wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:25 Linwelin wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:22 NeonFox wrote:
On March 25 2012 20:15 Smileforyouandme wrote:
hmm just one more weirdo idea, just coming up while reading tons of posts here... maybe kespa programmers create scbw game with better graphics out of sc2...i know theres that mod floating around yet, but i am sure that kespa dudes could do much much more with some funding etc... would make everyone happy? the sc2 guys get their graphics and the better skilldisplaying mechanics... further: idra finally can win games :-D


Why do people keep bringing up stuff like this. It's not about graphics or whatnot, Brood War is not a "better game" than Sc2 for everyone out there.

Brood war "purists" are so incredibly annoying when all they can say is how BW is such a better game, accept the fact that some people don't agree with you, and (oh the blasphemy!) some even think Sc2 is better.


Starcraft 2 "purists" are as annoying as brood war ones

There's nothing about SC2 that makes it spawn purists the way BW does.


lolol old game switch to new century shiny graphics lolol

That's not a purist. You know what "purist" means?


Read my other post
Or are "purists" your only problem and not fanboys
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
ChiXoo
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany37 Posts
March 25 2012 13:51 GMT
#649
its time to accept that bw is dead !

User was temp banned for this post.
\m/
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 25 2012 14:00 GMT
#650
I don't understand why people are upset.

It seems like the best of both worlds and a good way to start transitioning all the teams over to SC2. It lets Broodwar go out with more eyes on it than ever as SC2 fans will watch it and gain an appreciation for the game that started it all. The combined Proleague would also give people who never watched Broodwar a sense of who the super stars are before they make the transition.

For all we know, the options on the table are Starcraft combined Proleague or simply just a Starcraft 2 Proleague and an abrupt end to Broodwar after OSL 2012. It seems quite clear that Broodwar is now struggling to get the sponsors required to keep going. Team 8 has no sponsors and OSL has no sponsors. A divided Starcraft scene is not good for business. Starcraft Proleague will be an opportunity to merge the viewer and fan bases into a more economically viable larger whole that can draw more sponsorships and keep the super stars from Broodwar employed.
MrMatt
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada225 Posts
March 25 2012 14:00 GMT
#651
On March 25 2012 21:40 thezanursic wrote:
I would watch a SC 2 proleague.
I would watch a BW proleague (and I am).
I'm not watching a mix.


I agree with this. I think the problem with all this fighting is that it seems people think one should replace the other. If each draws enough fans I think both should be able to survive and keep going. I don't think players should be forced to play both games, but I don't mind if there is a proleague for sc2 and it is shown along with the bw one.
Marddox
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 14:05:43
March 25 2012 14:03 GMT
#652
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out and how the Korean crowd will embrace it. I know they're not happy right now.
We didn't have no "4 gates" back in the probe drought, no sir! we only had 1 gate, chrono and probes to defend!
Sanz
Profile Joined December 2010
150 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 14:05:21
March 25 2012 14:03 GMT
#653
At first i was really excited about this topic and those other ones about OGN/Sc2 league possibilities, but i soon realized that,
those threads really are as annoying as the elephant in the room thing. It starts out exciting an then comes the arguments.
I feel like im not interested anymore.
This topic brings out the worst this community has to offer.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 25 2012 14:05 GMT
#654
On March 25 2012 23:00 MrMatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 21:40 thezanursic wrote:
I would watch a SC 2 proleague.
I would watch a BW proleague (and I am).
I'm not watching a mix.


I agree with this. I think the problem with all this fighting is that it seems people think one should replace the other. If each draws enough fans I think both should be able to survive and keep going. I don't think players should be forced to play both games, but I don't mind if there is a proleague for sc2 and it is shown along with the bw one.


The problem is that the money isn't there to support both games as esports right now. Broodwar is hurting and SC2 is still weak in Korea. Only by combining the super stars and the fans will they be able to sell the larger combined audience to sponsors again. They have no choice. It would be great if Broodwar could last forever but it's simply running out of money.

The way I see it, another season of Broodwar Proleague probably isn't possible. They are bleeding money. The combined Proleague seems to be their way to stretch out Broodwar as long as possible.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 14:14:06
March 25 2012 14:10 GMT
#655
If you're happy watching both leagues separately why aren't you happy watching both combined?


I see people still don't get it. How about you try reading the actual thread before chiming in or at least understand the ramifications of such a league.

As for the whole SC2 purists versus BW purists. The real issue is pure competition. Having two games affect the results of a tournament eschews the net results. They would be better off having showmatches or do a full switch.

Some people are spewing out shit on which they know not of. Just like the guy up above me.
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
March 25 2012 14:10 GMT
#656
This will be good for e-sports, and for SCII in particular. Lets hope that it moves forward from that 12th position in the played games list on korea.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
reki-
Profile Joined July 2008
Netherlands327 Posts
March 25 2012 14:12 GMT
#657
It sounds pretty damn awesome to me, i love watching both SC2 and BW but hardly get the time to follow BW alongside some SC2 so this would be ideal
>BD
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
March 25 2012 14:14 GMT
#658
I understand they want to draw the korean BW fanbase to SC2, but forcing it down their throats like that it's a terrible way to do it. It's fine by me if the current BW pros want to start competing in SC2, but ffs, keep the games separated in their own leagues. If Flash/JD/Bisu/etc would switch I'm sure many of their BW fans would at least give their SC2 play a try.
Member of the Pirate Party - direct democracy, institutional transparency, and freedom of information
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
March 25 2012 14:17 GMT
#659
On March 25 2012 23:10 StarStruck wrote:
Having two games affect the results of a tournament eschews the net results. They would be better off having showmatches or do a full switch.


Um, what?

I never interpreted anything posted in this thread to suggest that BW and SC2 would be part of the same tournament. The original OP sounded like it was saying that there might be two parallel OGN tournaments, one for each. As for mashing them together into one tournament, I don't even know how you'd do that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
March 25 2012 14:22 GMT
#660
On March 25 2012 23:17 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:10 StarStruck wrote:
Having two games affect the results of a tournament eschews the net results. They would be better off having showmatches or do a full switch.


Um, what?

I never interpreted anything posted in this thread to suggest that BW and SC2 would be part of the same tournament. The original OP sounded like it was saying that there might be two parallel OGN tournaments, one for each. As for mashing them together into one tournament, I don't even know how you'd do that.


It hasn't been posted in this thread, but this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323013

has talked all about it. It's only rumours at this point but apparently the 2 games being rotated in the odd and even sets is a high possibility
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