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Fnatic sign former Samsung KHAN player ByuL - Page 4

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Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
March 19 2012 18:02 GMT
#61
grats !
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 19 2012 18:11 GMT
#62
On March 20 2012 02:58 MyFirstProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 02:55 Talin wrote:
Kind of a pointless signing, imo. I'm pretty sure Fnatic can't manage an ex-progamer transitioning to SC2 and give him the environment he needs to succeed. It smells like a cheap "look we signed a progamer from SAMSUNG KHAN" publicity stunt.

He should probably have gone to a decent Korean team like SlayerS or FXO.



Why would they not be able to manage an ex-progamer?

Probably hes reffering to training regime being kinda weak outside of top korean teams and/or lack of guidance needed for players who switched from BW to SC2 (Hyun cough, cough, l2p).
Stork[gm]
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 19 2012 18:16 GMT
#63
Very cool. Nice pickup!
KTY
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
March 19 2012 18:21 GMT
#64
On March 20 2012 02:30 StatorFlux wrote:
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On March 20 2012 02:05 IntoTheWow wrote:
On March 20 2012 01:30 StatorFlux wrote:
Just for reference I searched TL to find references to ByuL in BW.
"[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster."

Why so negative comments here?
I think this is due to two things.

1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2.
2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck".

That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments.


When amateurs got added to Pro Teams Rosters (and hence turned Pro) people would often already know them from watching replays of amateur practice games.

For example, aMeBa was an amateur Zerg whose replays got "leaked" a lot. He had really entertaining games as an amateur and when he turned pro, I (and other people) were excited to see him play. After turning Pro he didn't do that well and no one considered him to be any good.

I don't know where you found the ByuL comments, but it was not unusual for good amateurs to turn "bad" when going pro (different practice regime, different practice time, nerves for playing live on TV, thought competition, etc).

So "good" and "bad" is a relative term. When comparing aMeBa to other amateurs, he was above average and had a fun style which made him popular (among people who followed amateurs). When he turned pro, he was get to be known by the average BW follower who never saw much of him and considered him "bad" (in Pro's terms).

Talking about ByuL i've never seen that many good games off him, and considering that amount of Zerg competition inside Samsung Khan and how much TV time he got, I'm guessing saying he's "bad" is not a far stretch. (in terms of being a Pro, of course).

PS: aMeBa[S.G] is also known as Startale's AcE.


Thank you for your interesting post!
It, in my mind, confirmed my statement (or at least my sentiment) that "bad" in BW and "bad" in Starcraft2 are to different things, and many statement would seem strange if one did not consider the context in which "bad" was used.

I found it by searching for ByuL in the BW-section, I am not claiming that they were a representative selection but it seemed strange that there was so many negative feelings now compared to then. But maybe no one is willing to stick out their neck for him?

Interesting to note was that as late as December 2011 two BW forumgoers seemed excited that ByuL was back in the Samsung-Khan roster. Not many but there wasn't a whole lot of discussion about the topic in general, so it is not insignificant.

I am not proposing that everybody should call him great or even good. But it seems he was an upcoming and interesting rookie and if you judged him thus in Brood War, you should do the same when he goes to SC2. Give him the chance to prove himself first.


No problem.

About everyone giving "him" a chance. Well, when BW was at it's peak, it had lots of players. And even more amateurs trying to break in, so I guess in BW there was maybe this atmosphere of "prove yourself. then we follow you" and not the other way around. (I'm not really sure how that plays out in the SC2 scene).
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
March 19 2012 18:27 GMT
#65
On March 20 2012 02:57 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 01:30 StatorFlux wrote:
Just for reference I searched TL to find references to ByuL in BW.
"[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster."

Why so negative comments here?
I think this is due to two things.

1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2.
2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck".

That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments.

What negative comments are you referring to? "Byul is the shit" means Byul is awesome.


I think he was referring to negative comments in this particular thread, and not back then.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Raygun
Profile Joined August 2010
348 Posts
March 19 2012 19:09 GMT
#66
On March 20 2012 02:55 Talin wrote:
Kind of a pointless signing, imo. I'm pretty sure Fnatic can't manage an ex-progamer transitioning to SC2 and give him the environment he needs to succeed. It smells like a cheap "look we signed a progamer from SAMSUNG KHAN" publicity stunt.

He should probably have gone to a decent Korean team like SlayerS or FXO.


Fnatic just announced a team house in Korea. They seem to be going in the direction that FXO did. Get moresly Korean players and get a training house there. Both of them seem to be aiming for Korean teams even though they are foreign funded. I can't think of FXO as a foreign team anymore and Fnatic seems to be going the same direction.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
March 19 2012 19:14 GMT
#67
i didn't even notice byul had quit BW. he should be a good pickup, he looked useful when he was playing late last season
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
March 19 2012 19:16 GMT
#68
jesus, fnatic really revamping their sc2 roster. scary!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10834 Posts
March 19 2012 19:22 GMT
#69
ByuL is going to be a top calibur player soon, I imagine he will be in code S in no time, any BW pro switching over I think it wont take long for them to be considered top players, I am so excited to see his games.
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forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
March 19 2012 19:35 GMT
#70
On March 20 2012 02:40 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 01:30 StatorFlux wrote:
Just for reference I searched TL to find references to ByuL in BW.
"[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster."

Why so negative comments here?
I think this is due to two things.

1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2.
2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck".

That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments.


1. It comes from context, of course.

Many of us used to think of Jaehoon as a pretty bad player (some still do, though less thanks to last season's performance + Ryo's undying passion). There were plenty of rumors that he was a practice bonjwa but Jaehoon never came close to living up to the hype - until last year's 30-win season. Personally, I still believe he's pretty average for a Protoss A-teamer who often gets sent out.

So when, for example, a B-teamer dominated the now-defunct Dream league, people in the BW forums had high expectations. Then, once they were elevated to the A-team and started playing with the "big boys", all illusions fly out the window and they lived and died (figuratively, of course) on their skill and results. That's why you find people calling guys like Zergbong/Nestea, MVP, Forgg/Fin, MC, 1988/MMA, Clare/MKP bad in the BW forums whereas they're definitely top-tier in SC2. Not because of absolute skill (cause that's disputable, different game different era), but because of context.

2. Nada? Boxer? July? Forgg? Pretty much every pro in BW who retires and takes up SC2 is given a good luck because, of course, BW fans have a stake in it. If Nada turned out bad in SC2 (note: he isn't) then we'd be utterly devastated.

Fucking Hyun though. He's better than what his results show in SC2. Learn the damn game.


Thank you for your post.
1. Thanks for exploring this topic, it expanded my knowledge a little bit and every bit is welcome.

2. Yes, it may be that my judgement is clouded by some few, but very noticeable, individuals who I have come across in threads discussing those who switch or retire completely from BW. I don't know why. Maybe something sticks when you read about NaDa being called traitor by Korean fans or Hyun being called terrible?

It wasn't my intention to tar every BW-fan with the same brush, I am sorry if any of you felt included in any way in my too broad generalization.
Seohyun fan
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 19 2012 19:37 GMT
#71
Congrats!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 19:49:53
March 19 2012 19:42 GMT
#72
On March 20 2012 00:08 Xcobidoo wrote:
Hopefully he'll get some time before we start building another forGG-bandwagon for him to crash.
Fnatic's lineup is starting to look scary, if only Sen would have stayed aswell :O


Yea ForGG was definitely overhyped, but to be fair, he did make it to Code S really quickly after he started playing in the GSL (don't know how long he practiced before he competed in the GSL). If ByuL shows the same results and gets straight to Code S, it wouldn't live up to the crazy "ForGG to win Code S" hype, but it would still be really impressive.

Edit: Plus it would be great for Fnatic. If they're going to do something in the team league, they're going to need more than one Code S class player. Of course, that isn't to say that ToD, Moon, etc. can't get to that level as well. In fact, I would be surprised if Moon didn't make it to Code S in the next 6 months.

Edit2: I wonder why they didn't acquire Taeja or Ganzi?
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
March 19 2012 19:44 GMT
#73
On March 20 2012 04:42 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 00:08 Xcobidoo wrote:
Hopefully he'll get some time before we start building another forGG-bandwagon for him to crash.
Fnatic's lineup is starting to look scary, if only Sen would have stayed aswell :O


Yea ForGG was definitely overhyped, but to be fair, he did make it to Code S really quickly after he started playing in the GSL (don't know how long he practiced before he competed in the GSL). If Byul shows the same results and gets straight to Code S, it wouldn't live up to the crazy "ForGG to win Code S" hype, but it would still be really impressive.

He played for 1 year and a couple of months, started playing in january...
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
March 20 2012 17:56 GMT
#74
Jyp just lost a game against Byul, playing again against him now (on his stream).
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 18:07:46
March 20 2012 18:03 GMT
#75
On March 21 2012 02:56 Cosmos wrote:
Jyp just lost a game against Byul, playing again against him now (on his stream).

thank you
edit: wow he just beat JYP again, I Love how he positions his units. He doesn't engage the protoss army until his sure he can attack it from every angle, really cool to see! Very excited about ByuL now.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
March 20 2012 18:07 GMT
#76
Better record than flash, this can only go well!
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
March 20 2012 18:36 GMT
#77
for those of you that follow the korean ladder scene this dood is PARK he all ins quite often but is good in macro games as well ^_ ^
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 16:03:14
March 31 2012 16:02 GMT
#78
On March 19 2012 23:57 Animostas wrote:
wins against Jaehoon


I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
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