EPTFnatic sign former Samsung KHAN player ByuL - Page 3
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Shadow_Dog
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forSeohyun
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"[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster." Why so negative comments here? I think this is due to two things. 1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2. 2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck". That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments. | ||
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GreEny K
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On March 20 2012 01:30 StatorFlux wrote: Just for reference I searched TL to find references to ByuL in BW. "[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster." Why so negative comments here? I think this is due to two things. 1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2. 2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck". That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments. Just not as rich, and they didn't buy a whole team... | ||
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Poo
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StarStruck
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On March 19 2012 23:39 Saechiis wrote: That's cool, he was practically never played by Khan but he did win 4/5 of the games he played, which is way better than most rookies. Curious how he'll do in SC2. It's because Khan are known for their Protoss line. It's been that way for ages. | ||
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blade55555
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On March 20 2012 00:07 ZeaL. wrote: It's been "happening" for more than a year -_-. I'm sure a BW rookie with 5 live games played switching means a huge influx to SC2. If this is right http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/1097_ByuL/games He has played more then 60 games  (most being qualifier games) | ||
IntoTheWow
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On March 20 2012 01:30 StatorFlux wrote: Just for reference I searched TL to find references to ByuL in BW. "[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster." Why so negative comments here? I think this is due to two things. 1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2. 2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck". That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments. When amateurs got added to Pro Teams Rosters (and hence turned Pro) people would often already know them from watching replays of amateur practice games. For example, aMeBa was an amateur Zerg whose replays got "leaked" a lot. He had really entertaining games as an amateur and when he turned pro, I (and other people) were excited to see him play. After turning Pro he didn't do that well and no one considered him to be any good. I don't know where you found the ByuL comments, but it was not unusual for good amateurs to turn "bad" when going pro (different practice regime, different practice time, nerves for playing live on TV, thought competition, etc). So "good" and "bad" is a relative term. When comparing aMeBa to other amateurs, he was above average and had a fun style which made him popular (among people who followed amateurs). When he turned pro, he was get to be known by the average BW follower who never saw much of him and considered him "bad" (in Pro's terms). Talking about ByuL i've never seen that many good games off him, and considering that amount of Zerg competition inside Samsung Khan and how much TV time he got, I'm guessing saying he's "bad" is not a far stretch. (in terms of being a Pro, of course). PS: aMeBa[S.G] is also known as Startale's AcE. | ||
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forSeohyun
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On March 20 2012 02:05 IntoTheWow wrote: When amateurs got added to Pro Teams Rosters (and hence turned Pro) people would often already know them from watching replays of amateur practice games. For example, aMeBa was an amateur Zerg whose replays got "leaked" a lot. He had really entertaining games as an amateur and when he turned pro, I (and other people) were excited to see him play. After turning Pro he didn't do that well and no one considered him to be any good. I don't know where you found the ByuL comments, but it was not unusual for good amateurs to turn "bad" when going pro (different practice regime, different practice time, nerves for playing live on TV, thought competition, etc). So "good" and "bad" is a relative term. When comparing aMeBa to other amateurs, he was above average and had a fun style which made him popular (among people who followed amateurs). When he turned pro, he was get to be known by the average BW follower who never saw much of him and considered him "bad" (in Pro's terms). Talking about ByuL i've never seen that many good games off him, and considering that amount of Zerg competition inside Samsung Khan and how much TV time he got, I'm guessing saying he's "bad" is not a far stretch. (in terms of being a Pro, of course). PS: aMeBa[S.G] is also known as Startale's AcE. Thank you for your interesting post! It, in my mind, confirmed my statement (or at least my sentiment) that "bad" in BW and "bad" in Starcraft2 are to different things, and many statement would seem strange if one did not consider the context in which "bad" was used. I found it by searching for ByuL in the BW-section, I am not claiming that they were a representative selection but it seemed strange that there was so many negative feelings now compared to then. But maybe no one is willing to stick out their neck for him? Interesting to note was that as late as December 2011 two BW forumgoers seemed excited that ByuL was back in the Samsung-Khan roster. Not many but there wasn't a whole lot of discussion about the topic in general, so it is not insignificant. I am not proposing that everybody should call him great or even good. But it seems he was an upcoming and interesting rookie and if you judged him thus in Brood War, you should do the same when he goes to SC2. Give him the chance to prove himself first. | ||
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Caladbolg
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On March 20 2012 01:30 StatorFlux wrote: Just for reference I searched TL to find references to ByuL in BW. "[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster." Why so negative comments here? I think this is due to two things. 1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2. 2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck". That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments. 1. It comes from context, of course. Many of us used to think of Jaehoon as a pretty bad player (some still do, though less thanks to last season's performance + Ryo's undying passion). There were plenty of rumors that he was a practice bonjwa but Jaehoon never came close to living up to the hype - until last year's 30-win season. Personally, I still believe he's pretty average for a Protoss A-teamer who often gets sent out. So when, for example, a B-teamer dominated the now-defunct Dream league, people in the BW forums had high expectations. Then, once they were elevated to the A-team and started playing with the "big boys", all illusions fly out the window and they lived and died (figuratively, of course) on their skill and results. That's why you find people calling guys like Zergbong/Nestea, MVP, Forgg/Fin, MC, 1988/MMA, Clare/MKP bad in the BW forums whereas they're definitely top-tier in SC2. Not because of absolute skill (cause that's disputable, different game different era), but because of context. 2. Nada? Boxer? July? Forgg? Pretty much every pro in BW who retires and takes up SC2 is given a good luck because, of course, BW fans have a stake in it. If Nada turned out bad in SC2 (note: he isn't) then we'd be utterly devastated. Fucking Hyun though. He's better than what his results show in SC2. Learn the damn game. | ||
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Ryo
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In November 2011, Khan picked up  RorO and then later on, Shine. So Byul was bumped further down the pecking order. Due to the change in format, from a Bo7 to a Bo5, Byul and a couple other Khan rookies left the team in February due to lack of playing opportunities. | ||
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Talin
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He should probably have gone to a decent Korean team like SlayerS or FXO. | ||
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Ryo
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On March 20 2012 01:30 StatorFlux wrote: Just for reference I searched TL to find references to ByuL in BW. "[Byun is one of the]--- younger players who have shown some signs of value", "ByuL is the shit." "It was time for ByuL to be added back into the roster." Why so negative comments here? I think this is due to two things. 1. BW-forums uses another language, a much more polarized language. It is like Idra (sometimes) - they overuse the word bad about players who are actually good, but not among the best. As far as I can tell it is more harsh than SC2. 2. Every ex-BW player who goes to SC2 gets a kick on the way out, sadly, and not a "good luck". That is why one shouldn't be surprised about these kinds of comments. What negative comments are you referring to? "Byul is the shit" means Byul is awesome. | ||
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RezChi
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MyFirstProbe
Netherlands294 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:55 Talin wrote: Kind of a pointless signing, imo. I'm pretty sure Fnatic can't manage an ex-progamer transitioning to SC2 and give him the environment he needs to succeed. It smells like a cheap "look we signed a progamer from SAMSUNG KHAN" publicity stunt. He should probably have gone to a decent Korean team like SlayerS or FXO. Why would they not be able to manage an ex-progamer? | ||
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