EPTFor example, the Lone Star Clash, in my opinion Axeltoss' personality doesn't flow well with MrBitter's or Rotterdam's. Not saying that they don't get along just that their commentary reflects their personality traits in a way that doesn't help the game flow smoothly in a audience's eyes. Mr. Bitter and Rotterdam's commentary between each other is a bit better though probably because they have been working together for long enough to know when each other needs to talk and where they should be looking.
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BlazeTSR
United States218 Posts
For example, the Lone Star Clash, in my opinion Axeltoss' personality doesn't flow well with MrBitter's or Rotterdam's. Not saying that they don't get along just that their commentary reflects their personality traits in a way that doesn't help the game flow smoothly in a audience's eyes. Mr. Bitter and Rotterdam's commentary between each other is a bit better though probably because they have been working together for long enough to know when each other needs to talk and where they should be looking. | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
All the PvZs at Lone Star Clash were great last weekend, because we had Mr.Bitter representing Zerg well and Rotterdam representing Protoss well. The playful rivalry between the two casting personalities matched the action happening on screen very nicely. I actually prefer this kind of commentary to the relatively unbiased commentary of random/nonplayers such as Day9, JP, TotalBiscuit, and Catspajamas. (Not that any of those casters are bad, I enjoy all of them, I just prefer a different casting style) But the problem at LSC was that whenever a Terran game came up, there was nobody there to represent them. So the Terrans naturally got a disproportionate amount of hate. I can tolerate the gazillion mule cracks, but there needs to be something to balance it out on the other side. I wish more tournaments would experiment with 3-man casting teams. That way every mirror matchup would have at least 1 specialist, and every non-mirror matchup would have 2 specialists. And then the third man out could be the dedicated observer. | ||
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Korste
United States64 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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An2quamaraN
Poland379 Posts
On March 19 2012 23:14 Felnarion wrote: But to your point, if you don't like it...Just don't watch it? He can do whatever he wants, why does it matter? Very deep and reasonable response. Since, everyone can do whatever wants, lets just be shitty and dont care about anything. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 20 2012 04:07 Technique wrote: Those that can't play... you get the point... Big difference between 'don't have the skill to play professionally' and 'can't explain common builds'. But otherwise, you're right - which is why ex-players (or active players not playing at that moment) tend to make the best casters once they have some practice at commentating. | ||
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
Rotterdam(I think he's pretty unbiased for the most part) is Protoss Mr Bitter is Zerg Artosis(I think he's very biased at times for certain players or even races, particularly zerg) is Protoss Tasteless is Protoss DJwheat is Zerg Husky is Protoss Apollo I believe is either Zerg/Protoss | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Stephano right clicks 8 Infestors to their death, many with high energy, and is heralded for his amazing, brilliant control. He then goes on to win the tournament LOL | ||
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:00 yarkO wrote: Caster bias leads to bad casting, such as the Grand Finals of the Lonestar Clash (player and results spoiled below) + Show Spoiler + Stephano right clicks 8 Infestors to their death, many with high energy, and is heralded for his amazing, brilliant control. He then goes on to win the tournament LOL Seriously. But for the most part Stephano played the best zerg I've ever seen in my life, better than Nestea, DRG or any other zerg play, though that's my opinion. At the same time I think Mr. Bitter tries not to be biased but he's not good at it. I really think Stephano exposed how amazing late game zerg can be against late game Terran. It seems late game terran is lacking. Ghosts were nerfed too much, Ravens aren't as good as people think to be effective enough. | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
Bias develops from passion for a player. That passion for a player is the same passion they have for the game. The passion for the game is what makes these guys want to cast and commentate. I'd rather they were passionate instead of mindless drones. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:33 Tristran wrote: If I really wanted to know PURELY what build was happening, I look at production queue. When action happens its between both players, regardless of what the casters are saying I can actually see what's happening. They can't deny whats happening on screen in a fight so.. no bias when it counts. Bias develops from passion for a player. That passion for a player is the same passion they have for the game. The passion for the game is what makes these guys want to cast and commentate. I'd rather they were passionate instead of mindless drones. You know is possible to be both analytical and passionate while casting without letting bias/passion for player and/or race get in the way.... | ||
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YMCApylons
Taiwan359 Posts
Between two foreigners, he roots for the "stronger" foreigner to win, for two koreans, he roots for the "weaker" korean to win. I guess that will give the foreigner a better chance in the later rounds. I don't mind the bias, it's pretty funny, but I do wish they would give equal camera-time to the players. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
Casters love the game and especially the players, you can't really expect them to be not show any bias. In fact, there was another thread like this some years ago - this thread. If you really want a completely neutral commentary...this is what you're looking at. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:46 Whatson wrote: You can't really stop it anyways. When Boxer lost to MKP in the final game of a grueling set that he should've won in the Iron Squid tourney, Totalbiscuit said something along the lines of "I'm not even going to pretend to not be disappointed by that...I'm depressed now man. In tournaments, I'm not supposed to play favorites but I will anyways I wanted to see Boxer go through. But feelings and emotions don't factor into this. We have to be robots..." Casters love the game and especially the players, you can't really expect them to be not show any bias. In fact, there was another thread like this some years ago - this thread. If you really want a completely neutral commentary...this is what you're looking at. oh damn i was just going to say something about moderate temperature... biased casting is fine- i mean artosis casting Nestea? those are great casts but... | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:41 YMCApylons wrote: For MrBitter, it seems to be: Foreigner > Korean living in EU/US > Korean on foreign team > Korean on Korean team. Between two foreigners, he roots for the "stronger" foreigner to win, for two koreans, he roots for the "weaker" korean to win. I guess that will give the foreigner a better chance in the later rounds. I don't mind the bias, it's pretty funny, but I do wish they would give equal camera-time to the players. An easier way to say that is that Mr.Bitter roots for the underdog. Which I think is a good thing, it's one of the things I like the most about his casts. He does the same thing in Korean vs Korean and Foreigner vs Foreigner games, unless his Zerg bias trickles in. (which is good as long as there's somebody else there to counterbalance it) | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:46 Whatson wrote: You can't really stop it anyways. When Boxer lost to MKP in the final game of a grueling set that he should've won in the Iron Squid tourney, Totalbiscuit said something along the lines of "I'm not even going to pretend to not be disappointed by that...I'm depressed now man. In tournaments, I'm not supposed to play favorites but I will anyways I wanted to see Boxer go through. But feelings and emotions don't factor into this. We have to be robots..." Casters love the game and especially the players, you can't really expect them to be not show any bias. In fact, there was another thread like this some years ago - this thread. If you really want a completely neutral commentary...this is what you're looking at. LOL i just watched the neutral commentary. so funny!!!! also really dumb >  | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 20 2012 06:10 bkrow wrote: Yes it's annoying, no i don't like it - so the solution is pretty clear. If you don't like it, don't watch it - there is so much content out there anyway; if it's a tournament you want to watch then hit the mute button and enjoy the games with some music in the background. But this is TL, where we must find fault with every tournament and caster, not matter how minor. We must iron out every flaw they have until they are perfect. No bias when casting, no misreads on builds and no bad puns. Anything else is unacceptable. | ||
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