EPTCaster bias and the 1-sided commentary - Page 5
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IMNasty
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:42 iYiYi wrote: Even tastosis does this. When MMA made his debut in Code A vs Ret, they wouldn't shut up about Ret's play. Even though MMA was doing multidrop harass while expanding and pushing behind it which was unheard of at the time. They didn't praise MMA at all in those games even though he sweeped Ret. Such obvious bias. Does it really matter? Did it ruin the game for you? Is it something that we should really talk be discussing? Or as my father would say: "This? This is what we are going to fight about today? We couldn't find something better?" | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:47 Plansix wrote: Does it really matter? Did it ruin the game for you? Is it something that we should really talk be discussing? Or as my father would say: "This? This is what we are going to fight about today? We couldn't find something better?" Nobody is fighting about it, its being discussed as it should. Clearly it bothers enough people to be brought up and makes the viewing experience less enjoyable for some of us. Sponsors are pouring money and people are investing countless hours into these events. Criticism is warranted and can be helpful to improve these events which rely on viewership..... | ||
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Berailfor
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vendettahow
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HOWEVER, I do get irritated when the commentators clearly don't recognize high level play from other races b/c they are too busy watching the race or player that they want to win. The reason people like Artosis or Wolf don't bother me (and I do not play Protoss) is because they STILL give fair commentary and fair praise/criticism where it is due. If a Protoss player is playing a Terran player, and the Terran player has sick bio micro in the early game, these casters absolutely praise the Terran player on his control (and usually Wolf will follow up by talking about how poorly the Protoss played that engagement haha! Wolf makes me laugh). But when these casters only praise their race of choice or the skill of the player they want to win, it is a little deflating and, quite honestly, distracting from the quality of the product, which is an incredible tournament or game. TLDR: Every caster will have more knowledge about the race they actually play, and it is perfectly fine for them to drop that knowledge in their casting. It only becomes distracting for me when the caster focuses solely on that race or player throughout the entirety of the match, and does not even recognize high level play from another race or player when it's right in front of him. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:47 Plansix wrote: Does it really matter? Did it ruin the game for you? Is it something that we should really talk be discussing? Or as my father would say: "This? This is what we are going to fight about today? We couldn't find something better?" I am definitely stealing your fathers phrase for everyday usage. | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
Na but in all seriousness, I don't think this is an issue often enough for it to be brought up, however Mr.Bitter was a tad over the top at lone star imho. | ||
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Xenocryst
United States521 Posts
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latan
740 Posts
but yeah it's wrong and shouldn't happen, i guess it's hard to avoid doing it. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
There are others, WHO HAVE TO IMPROVE AT THIS POINT DAMMIT!!! Please casters, take this topic serious, or you just might fall out of the food chain one day. | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:52 Rorschach wrote: Nobody is fighting about it, its being discussed as it should. Clearly it bothers enough people to be brought up and makes the viewing experience less enjoyable for some of us. Sponsors are pouring money and people are investing countless hours into these events. Criticism is warranted and can be helpful to improve these events which rely on viewership..... It a phrase, to be applied to a specific argument or discusssion. Fighting, verble or otherwise is not required. And I am not saying it does not bother people. I am saying that the casters shouldn't care as long as they are not openly bashing the other race. Mr. Bitter is bias towards zerg, but does that really matter? There are other things I would rather they worry about than if they are upsetting the small group of people who are upset the casting is not 100% un-bias. I would rather they focus on other, more awesome stuff, like Picture in Picture. Or instant replay. Rather than making sure there are no threads on TL made by people who are upset about the casting. | ||
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vendettahow
14 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:42 iYiYi wrote: Even tastosis does this. When MMA made his debut in Code A vs Ret, they wouldn't shut up about Ret's play. Even though MMA was doing multidrop harass while expanding and pushing behind it which was unheard of at the time. They didn't praise MMA at all in those games even though he sweeped Ret. Such obvious bias. This is true, and I agree with you. However, I think in this case there was another factor in play, and that is the foreigner vs Korean competition. Whenever Ret plays, the foreign casters generally use that game as an opportunity to talk him up for a few reasons: 1) It is widely accepted that MMA and other Korean pros are at an incredibly high level. 2) Many casual Starcraft 2 viewers may not even know who Ret is or not get many opportunities to see him play. Therefore, they may not know at the time what strengths Ret has in his game. Ret's strengths are insane macro mechanics and an extremely fast 200/200 (among others, I'm sure). So I believe Tastosis was just trying to make the viewer recognize the incredible skill Ret has in SC2 even if he does lose to MMA, because the viewer may not get to see Ret again soon. MMA will always be around. Also, most of the viewers of Tastosis are totally pulling for the foreigners to get to the level of the Korean players. And I'm saying this as a Terran player whose favorite players are MMA and MvP haha. A good example of the original topic for me is, again, the difference in the last GSL season between Tasteless and Artosis. Tasteless used to always be my favorite in this casting archon because of his humor and personality. However, now Artosis is by far my favorite because he is way more knowledgeable about the Korean meta-game and his bias doesn't blatantly show like Tasteless' does. While Tasteless and Day9 will always claim to be random players, it was so clear in last GSL that Tasteless is a Protoss player when he made comments such as "I honestly hope [X Protoss player] wins, so I can steal this build, man." This bothered me because the Protoss player should not have to win to make his build a viable one. Whether he wins or loses, a code S Protoss player's build is PROBABLY PRETTY GOOD! Also, Tasteless flat out admitted who he was rooting for. Artosis never does this, and it makes his commentary feel WAY more professional and refreshing compared to some other casters. This is NOT to bash on Tasteless! Tasteless and Artosis will always and forever be my favorite casters!  | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On March 20 2012 03:10 peekn wrote: I could see this being a problem in solo casts but since most tournaments are dual casted I don't run into this problem as ofter or ever. Now that this has been brought to my attention I think that I'm going to keep an eye out for this sort of thing happening, just to see if it actually does since I've never noticed it before. Well you see this kind of things by Tastosis casting, since tasteless seems to share Artosis oppinion in 99% of the cases. | ||
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