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This is a common ocurrence for casters who play a certain race or root for a certain player.
I often see HuskyStarcraft only care about White-Ra's base and build while almost NEVER looking at the opponent. Though very understandable since "Speshul tactics" are very interesting this brings forth a 1-sided commentary.
In a game, the caster should commentate as much as possible on both player's builds and how they develop throughout the game. We don't only see this problem with husky, other commentators such as Mr.Bitter who loves to commentate on Zerg play also show a 1-sided commentary sometimes.
The problem with this kind of commentaries is that you never see the other side of the spectrum. People who root for the other player might get irritated that they don't see what their favourite is doing.
I don't know, do you guys ever feel that you watch a 1-sided commentary?
Is it even possible to completely remove this kind of commentary from the scene!?
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I think its fine. Gives a bit personality.
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I don't care about bias.
Over-focus on one kind of thing, if its a kind of thing I don't care about, does turn me off a cast tho. The Mr Bitter and zerg play being a great example of a cast I've turned off in the past.
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Wait, you're complaining about the fact that Husky watches White-Ra's base all the time?
And not that his commentary is 2/3s wrong?
But to your point, if you don't like it...Just don't watch it? He can do whatever he wants, why does it matter?
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Yea at Lonestarclash i felt this happend quite often.
Imo it is okay if done sometimes but at LSC it somewhat annoyed me to see rotti and alex(?) talking only about grubby when he was playin sleep (a really really great zerg to look at considering that you could build a story).
But yea as we would say in germany "we are complaining on a high comfort level". Imo.
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I guess it could be a focus for improvement for casters but it will never go away.
Nowadays many tournaments have first person views of both players so you could just watch your favorite player or have the main stream and your player's view open at the same time.
If all else fails the production tab is almost always open the whole game so you can follow that way.
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On March 19 2012 23:14 Felnarion wrote:
But to your point, if you don't like it...Just don't watch it? He can do whatever he wants, why does it matter?
Because people should try to provide quality content? If sufficient people dislike an aspect of his casting, it's something to consider.
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On March 19 2012 23:10 Sea_Food wrote:
I think its fine. Gives a bit personality.
caster bias is most certainly not fine when you are doing a solo cast but luckily these guys usually cast together in tournaments so I can't complain..
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Kinda noticed it during the Lone star clash with mr bitter & his co caster. Especially so in the game between heavenslight and select. Light seem to be playing EXTREMELY greedy in the early game , building 3 roaches to defend against hellions hoping that select doesn't take the risk and just run past the roaches. The casters just kept saying "wonderful , amazing , brilliant , intelligent play by heaven" or something along that lines.
But I guess mr bitter's biasness has been discussed to death anyway. Don't really see obvious biasness in any other caster though
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khaldor commentating stephano is quite hard to watch cause he is quite a fanboy :D
but actually i dont really care, i have never experienced it too much, except for the above example
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Sometimes its really annoying, especially when a caster is hating on a certain race just because they themselves are weak in that particular matchup (zerg casters hating on terran, terran casters hating on protoss etc)
"And here comes an all in from player X, oh wait its not even an allin because he has mules, trolololol"
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Sometimes it depends on the race the caster himself is playing. A Protoss Caster can definitely gives a better commentary on the Protoss player as oppose to Terran and Zerg.
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I'm pretty sure you can email Husky to give him quality feedback ( like, not saying bla you're bad obviously ) and he will read it. Husky is pretty responsible for that.
Some other caster are biais and it's the way it is.
In the end, TB support Bling more if he plays, Bitter support Foreigner zerg player more, etc
Deal with it. It put some diversity into the game. I think the main problem with it is when the caster is the observer too.
In GSL, Artosis could fantasm as much as he want for Clide, but ST_Legend will do a good job not sticking to Clide base for example.
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On March 19 2012 23:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 23:14 Felnarion wrote:
But to your point, if you don't like it...Just don't watch it? He can do whatever he wants, why does it matter? Because people should try to provide quality content? If sufficient people dislike an aspect of his casting, it's something to consider.
It's also important to note that some of these casters cover events where there is no option in who the player watches cast it, meaning that fans have to watch those casters to see those games. This kind of thing is pretty important in those cases.
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On March 19 2012 23:05 XiGua wrote:
This is a common ocurrence for casters who play a certain race or root for a certain player.
I often see HuskyStarcraft only care about White-Ra's base and build while almost NEVER looking at the opponent. Though very understandable since "Speshul tactics" are very interesting this brings forth a 1-sided commentary.
In a game, the caster should commentate as much as possible on both player's builds and how they develop throughout the game. We don't only see this problem with husky, other commentators such as Mr.Bitter who loves to commentate on Zerg play also show a 1-sided commentary sometimes.
The problem with this kind of commentaries is that you never see the other side of the spectrum. People who root for the other player might get irritated that they don't see what their favourite is doing.
I don't know, do you guys ever feel that you watch a 1-sided commentary?
Is it even possible to completely remove this kind of commentary from the scene!?
I never see 1-sided commentary.
Just because a caster plays a particular race and shares insight into that race when they casts doesn't make them biased, it makes them good(and Mr. Bitter often relates those insights onto how it affects the other side, not sure why you are calling him out like that. That's what is supposed to happen).
And sometimes, only 1 of the bases is actually worth focusing on, because that's where the interesting action is going on. It's up to the observer to decide what gets shown and what doesn't, and sometimes one of the players just has more that should be shown than the other player.
But I have yet to see casts that solely dwell on one side and never commentate on the other. + Show Spoiler +(except for that one joke cast of I think Joshy with the immortal warpin, but the whole point of ignoring was the reveal of that joke)
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Personally i don't care much about casters, what i want to see (which is on topic here i guess) is some1 dedicated to camera movement... so you always get to see the action and overall important stuff (which casters now miss a lot) and if you don't like or care about the casters you can simply mute them + put some music on (which you can do now as well, but then the poor camera movement becomes even more apparent).
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And this has been discussed how many times?
Bias exists, should be worked on, is situationally even beneficial for a cast, can't ever be completely avoided. The end.
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Happens even in real sports. No reason not to happen in E-SPORT.
The sportscasters always root for the home team, as they usually work in the home team's stadium.
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On March 19 2012 23:25 Noocta wrote:
I'm pretty sure you can email Husky to give him quality feedback ( like, not saying bla you're bad obviously ) and he will read it. Husky is pretty responsible for that.
Some other caster are biais and it's the way it is.
In the end, TB support Bling more if he plays, Bitter support Foreigner zerg player more, etc
Deal with it. It put some diversity into the game. I think the main problem with it is when the caster is the observer too.
In GSL, Artosis could fantasm as much as he want for Clide, but ST_Legend will do a good job not sticking to Clide base for example.
Yes, my main problem is when that caster is also the observer. If he isn't the observer then I'm kind of fine with the "bias" because it doesn't really turn into a 1-sided commentary.
Also, I don't want to point out husky exclusively. I just chose him as an example because he is the most popular one in the Starcraft 2 scene. (Very subjectiv opinion)
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On March 19 2012 23:22 kurrysauce wrote:
Kinda noticed it during the Lone star clash with mr bitter & his co caster. Especially so in the game between heavenslight and select. Light seem to be playing EXTREMELY greedy in the early game , building 3 roaches to defend against hellions hoping that select doesn't take the risk and just run past the roaches. The casters just kept saying "wonderful , amazing , brilliant , intelligent play by heaven" or something along that lines.
But I guess mr bitter's biasness has been discussed to death anyway. Don't really see obvious biasness in any other caster though
This is different.
Two ways to be biased: (1)praise and congratulate one player more than the other and (2)report what one player is doing more than the other.
(1) is pretty common and has already been discussed quite a bit. I think (2) is what we're talking about here and it's a bigger problem because it prevents the viewers from following the game well. It's like having vision on only one player. These games need to be in the 3rd person perspective. When viewing and talking about only one player's perspective at length, the 3rd person perspective is dropped.
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