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On April 02 2012 04:43 Bojas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 04:36 Aerohank wrote:On April 02 2012 03:46 petro1987 wrote:
Btw, I dare you guys to find a master Terran players with less then 100 apm, unless the guy is doing 3-4 rax scv marine all in every game. I found one! His name was Aerohank (me). He is a mid-master level terran player on the EU server. His average APM is about 80, his EPM is about 90. He always plays macro games. How do you split your marines while sieging your tanks, dropping while macroing at home keeping your apm that low O.o Also, teach me how to have 80 actions counted from EVERYTHING you do, while having more actions counted only from effective things you do. If you mean blizz apm - don't use that. Use SC2 gears.
I did use blizz APM, sorry for the confusion. I don't use SC2 gears stats.
Because of my low APM, I always get owned when I need to do a ton of things in a split second. Therefore I have adjusted my playstyle to compensate for my lack of speed. I scan ahead a lot so I can siege and split before any engagements happen. I have also adopted a playstyle that revolves more around timing attacks rather than constant harrasment to get myself futher ahead in economy.
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On April 02 2012 04:51 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 03:55 ZenithM wrote:
Don't act like a master-level Terran one-baser is unheard of, guys. Don't get us started on protoss, lol.
I actually think it's dumb for Protoss to one-base. Most effective and easy all ins are done from 2 bases with P (unless PvP, which is one base by standard anyway). Just building a lot of gateway units with sentries off of a really fast expand is already hard to stop for T and Z. One base are pretty stoppable (way easier to hold than T's one base builds).
On the other hand, I think it doesn't make a lot of sense for Terran to all in from 2 bases :D
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On April 02 2012 05:04 karpo wrote:
The most vocal complainers in this thread ask for replays as soon as someone claims anything that doesn't fit their terran UP/weak argument. But where's the replays of the endless games where T can't do shit to P and protoss 3 bases to 200/200 and a-moves to victory? I haven't seen one yet and i've read most of this thread.
Turn on any Terran live stream. Watch GSL, watch MLG, watch anything SC2 related with Terran and Protoss. You're seriously still plauging this thread? God dammit.
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On April 02 2012 05:10 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:04 karpo wrote:
The most vocal complainers in this thread ask for replays as soon as someone claims anything that doesn't fit their terran UP/weak argument. But where's the replays of the endless games where T can't do shit to P and protoss 3 bases to 200/200 and a-moves to victory? I haven't seen one yet and i've read most of this thread. Turn on any Terran live stream. Watch GSL, watch MLG, watch anything SC2 related with Terran and Protoss. You're seriously still plauging this thread? God dammit.
Yeah and i'll continue to because there's more bullshit spewed in this thread that the rest of SC2 general combined.
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On April 02 2012 05:03 Bidj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 04:52 Huragius wrote:On April 02 2012 04:36 Aerohank wrote:On April 02 2012 03:46 petro1987 wrote:
Btw, I dare you guys to find a master Terran players with less then 100 apm, unless the guy is doing 3-4 rax scv marine all in every game. I found one! His name was Aerohank (me). He is a mid-master level terran player on the EU server. His average APM is about 80, his EPM is about 90. He always plays macro games. Effective APM is higher than actual, lol. That's how it is in the client, and obviously an error by Blizzard (so, yeah, lol, check your facts)
So ?
I know it's an error by Blizzard, by why people are repeating that error all the time ? Makes no sense.
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On April 02 2012 05:06 Aerohank wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 04:43 Bojas wrote:On April 02 2012 04:36 Aerohank wrote:On April 02 2012 03:46 petro1987 wrote:
Btw, I dare you guys to find a master Terran players with less then 100 apm, unless the guy is doing 3-4 rax scv marine all in every game. I found one! His name was Aerohank (me). He is a mid-master level terran player on the EU server. His average APM is about 80, his EPM is about 90. He always plays macro games. How do you split your marines while sieging your tanks, dropping while macroing at home keeping your apm that low O.o Also, teach me how to have 80 actions counted from EVERYTHING you do, while having more actions counted only from effective things you do. If you mean blizz apm - don't use that. Use SC2 gears. I did use blizz APM, sorry for the confusion. I don't use SC2 gears stats. Because of my low APM, I always get owned when I need to do a ton of things in a split second. Therefore I have adjusted my playstyle to compensate for my lack of speed. I scan ahead a lot so I can siege and split before any engagements happen. I have also adopted a playstyle that revolves more around timing attacks rather than constant harrasment to get myself futher ahead in economy.
I understand, but use sc2gears as people have mentioned. Blizzard APM measurement is quite weird. Btw, you can't have EAPM higher then APM.
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On April 02 2012 05:08 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 04:51 Huragius wrote:On April 02 2012 03:55 ZenithM wrote:
Don't act like a master-level Terran one-baser is unheard of, guys. Don't get us started on protoss, lol. I actually think it's dumb for Protoss to one-base. Most effective and easy all ins are done from 2 bases with P (unless PvP, which is one base by standard anyway). Just building a lot of gateway units with sentries off of a really fast expand is already hard to stop for T and Z. One base are pretty stoppable (way easier to hold than T's one base builds). On the other hand, I think it doesn't make a lot of sense for Terran to all in from 2 bases :D
Depends on how much you can metagame other player or deny his scouting. If he prepares for one base play and you FE, his chances of holding two base all-in are quite slim. These situations are common in TvZ when Terran doesn't stop at 4 initial hellions (even makes one marauder for overlord to scout) and goes for two base mech or when Terran opens Reactor Rax FE with temporary bunker and protoss thinks it's 1/1/1.
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On April 02 2012 05:11 petro1987 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:06 Aerohank wrote:On April 02 2012 04:43 Bojas wrote:On April 02 2012 04:36 Aerohank wrote:On April 02 2012 03:46 petro1987 wrote:
Btw, I dare you guys to find a master Terran players with less then 100 apm, unless the guy is doing 3-4 rax scv marine all in every game. I found one! His name was Aerohank (me). He is a mid-master level terran player on the EU server. His average APM is about 80, his EPM is about 90. He always plays macro games. How do you split your marines while sieging your tanks, dropping while macroing at home keeping your apm that low O.o Also, teach me how to have 80 actions counted from EVERYTHING you do, while having more actions counted only from effective things you do. If you mean blizz apm - don't use that. Use SC2 gears. I did use blizz APM, sorry for the confusion. I don't use SC2 gears stats. Because of my low APM, I always get owned when I need to do a ton of things in a split second. Therefore I have adjusted my playstyle to compensate for my lack of speed. I scan ahead a lot so I can siege and split before any engagements happen. I have also adopted a playstyle that revolves more around timing attacks rather than constant harrasment to get myself futher ahead in economy. I understand, but use sc2gears as people have mentioned. Blizzard APM measurement is quite weird. Btw, you can't have EAPM higher then APM.
He uses blizzard apm so this is causing the confusement  .
It's like this, blizzard epm is equal to sc2gears apm minus like 30-33%. Blizzard apm is sc2gears EAPM but then they record it slightly differently.
Basically just don't look at your blizz stats since they managed to make it a very weird concept which is barely related to apm as it was invented for.
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On April 02 2012 03:46 petro1987 wrote:.
Btw, I dare you guys to find a master Terran players with less then 100 apm, unless the guy is doing 3-4 rax scv marine all in every game.
Mid master 700pts, 60 apm early-mid game, 80 apm late game 
Most of times I play macro games in all MUs
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On April 02 2012 05:10 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:04 karpo wrote:
The most vocal complainers in this thread ask for replays as soon as someone claims anything that doesn't fit their terran UP/weak argument. But where's the replays of the endless games where T can't do shit to P and protoss 3 bases to 200/200 and a-moves to victory? I haven't seen one yet and i've read most of this thread. Turn on any Terran live stream. Watch GSL, watch MLG, watch anything SC2 related with Terran and Protoss. You're seriously still plauging this thread? God dammit.
I watch MLG, and I only see MKP crushing faces left and right, Protoss and Zerg's alike.
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On April 02 2012 05:11 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 05:10 SupLilSon wrote:On April 02 2012 05:04 karpo wrote:
The most vocal complainers in this thread ask for replays as soon as someone claims anything that doesn't fit their terran UP/weak argument. But where's the replays of the endless games where T can't do shit to P and protoss 3 bases to 200/200 and a-moves to victory? I haven't seen one yet and i've read most of this thread. Turn on any Terran live stream. Watch GSL, watch MLG, watch anything SC2 related with Terran and Protoss. You're seriously still plauging this thread? God dammit. Yeah and i'll continue to because there's more bullshit spewed in this thread that the rest of SC2 general combined.
Yup, mostly thanks to you. You're a terrible shit poster, I've had to cringe at your posts in more threads than just this one.
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On April 02 2012 03:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 03:18 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 02 2012 03:14 XquisiteWretch wrote:If you're playing casually you don't care if you win or lose Yeah okay guy, solid argument there. Plus, when people say "casual gaming" they are generally referring to "non-pro" I don't compete in any tournaments so I don't conisder myself a "competitive" player, I consider myself a "casual player" but its not like Im sitting on my lawn chair with a margarita out on my deck playing with my laptop while reading the news paper and screaming imbalance. I am a master level player and there is no such thing as an "easy" game and yes, I try very hard to improve my game and play better, and yes, I care if I win or lose. To add to that, just because I am a casual player doesn't mean my opinion, or more importantly, my money is not important to blizzard. I realize they probably dont give a fuck what I think about balance but they will care if I stop playing and dont drop $60+ on an expansion to a game that has become a pain in the ass to play and actually enjoy, imbalance or not, some of the mechanics/matchups/game scenarios are so fucking irritating the game loses its fun often for me. /rant Although I agree with you on some level, there is no end to balancing for specific play levels. To this day there are threads on the Blizzard forums about the banshee being OP. Should Blizzard nerf the banshee so some bronze and silver level protoss can feel good about beating someone who uses them? I don't think so. Obviously if there is a large enough group of players having the same problem, something needs to be changed. But they cannot change things for the lower level that delegitimizes the highest level of play.
Kinda like the TvP problem? Have you seen the amount of threads on that? Or the FACT that terran is dissapearing from the ladder, the statistics dont lie, but blizzard is doing nothing about it
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On April 02 2012 05:59 XquisiteWretch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 03:37 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2012 03:18 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 02 2012 03:14 XquisiteWretch wrote:If you're playing casually you don't care if you win or lose Yeah okay guy, solid argument there. Plus, when people say "casual gaming" they are generally referring to "non-pro" I don't compete in any tournaments so I don't conisder myself a "competitive" player, I consider myself a "casual player" but its not like Im sitting on my lawn chair with a margarita out on my deck playing with my laptop while reading the news paper and screaming imbalance. I am a master level player and there is no such thing as an "easy" game and yes, I try very hard to improve my game and play better, and yes, I care if I win or lose. To add to that, just because I am a casual player doesn't mean my opinion, or more importantly, my money is not important to blizzard. I realize they probably dont give a fuck what I think about balance but they will care if I stop playing and dont drop $60+ on an expansion to a game that has become a pain in the ass to play and actually enjoy, imbalance or not, some of the mechanics/matchups/game scenarios are so fucking irritating the game loses its fun often for me. /rant Although I agree with you on some level, there is no end to balancing for specific play levels. To this day there are threads on the Blizzard forums about the banshee being OP. Should Blizzard nerf the banshee so some bronze and silver level protoss can feel good about beating someone who uses them? I don't think so. Obviously if there is a large enough group of players having the same problem, something needs to be changed. But they cannot change things for the lower level that delegitimizes the highest level of play. Kinda like the TvP problem? Have you seen the amount of threads on that? Or the FACT that terran is dissapearing from the ladder, the statistics dont lie, but blizzard is doing nothing about it
Blizzard has said that terran and protoss win rates swing both ways. It has been quoted in this thread, which I guess makes it fact. That tells me that the match up as a whole is not very stable any change will have serious effects on either side. I don't know what you expect from them. Do you expect some update along with the release date for Diablo 3 that they will be fixing SC2 for Platinum to Master league terrans, except for Korea, because they seem to be fine at the moment?
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On April 02 2012 05:59 XquisiteWretch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 03:37 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2012 03:18 XquisiteWretch wrote:On April 02 2012 03:14 XquisiteWretch wrote:If you're playing casually you don't care if you win or lose Yeah okay guy, solid argument there. Plus, when people say "casual gaming" they are generally referring to "non-pro" I don't compete in any tournaments so I don't conisder myself a "competitive" player, I consider myself a "casual player" but its not like Im sitting on my lawn chair with a margarita out on my deck playing with my laptop while reading the news paper and screaming imbalance. I am a master level player and there is no such thing as an "easy" game and yes, I try very hard to improve my game and play better, and yes, I care if I win or lose. To add to that, just because I am a casual player doesn't mean my opinion, or more importantly, my money is not important to blizzard. I realize they probably dont give a fuck what I think about balance but they will care if I stop playing and dont drop $60+ on an expansion to a game that has become a pain in the ass to play and actually enjoy, imbalance or not, some of the mechanics/matchups/game scenarios are so fucking irritating the game loses its fun often for me. /rant Although I agree with you on some level, there is no end to balancing for specific play levels. To this day there are threads on the Blizzard forums about the banshee being OP. Should Blizzard nerf the banshee so some bronze and silver level protoss can feel good about beating someone who uses them? I don't think so. Obviously if there is a large enough group of players having the same problem, something needs to be changed. But they cannot change things for the lower level that delegitimizes the highest level of play. Kinda like the TvP problem? Have you seen the amount of threads on that? Or the FACT that terran is dissapearing from the ladder, the statistics dont lie, but blizzard is doing nothing about it
Most of the pros getting crushed by protoss say it's because terrans aren't playing the right way. Just because you cant win every game versus protoss doesn't mean that anything is imba. For instance, as a general rule, polt still does extremely well versus protoss. He doesn't have some magical gene that makes him better at starcraft than anyone else, he just practices a lot and anyone can do the same things he is doing with enough practice. Don't be lazy and cry imba, try and figure out a way to beat the protoss. If playing the way you have been playing forever isn't working, it's pretty obvious you have to change your style and adapt. Protoss and Zerg have both had to do this multiple times.
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On April 02 2012 06:50 mazqo wrote:Protoss imba in TvP? + Show Spoiler +Problemz? PS highmasters, eu.
Could you upload a replay pack ? (not to bash at all, just to study your TvP and improve my play)
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On April 02 2012 06:50 mazqo wrote:Protoss imba in TvP? + Show Spoiler +Problemz? PS highmasters, eu.
teach me your ways
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On April 02 2012 04:12 petro1987 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 04:08 Greenei wrote:
I'm a midmaster EU Terran with average of 85 APM. I don't really spam at all, so my EAPM is 63. Also I tend to float my buiildings after a match sometimes, so my real APM is probably a few points higher. Can you post a replay of you playing a normal game? Not floating your buildings for instance.
Wait are we talking blizzapm or realtimeapm?
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I'll upload TvP replay pack, do you know any sites where i can upload .rar files without registering
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Drop.sc seems to accept .zip from unregistred users, but not rar apparently.
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