Where did all of the terrans go? - Page 179

On April 02 2012 07:04 YyapSsap wrote:
An interesting observation I seem to notice in this thread is that those T players who do find TvP rather their best matchup does poorly in the other matchups.

On April 02 2012 07:08 Twistacles wrote:
Yeah i've noticed that too. Either you're good at TvP, or good at TvZ/TvT. Might have to do with bio control vs tank+bio

On April 02 2012 07:04 YyapSsap wrote:
An interesting observation I seem to notice in this thread is that those T players who do find TvP rather their best matchup does poorly in the other matchups.

On April 02 2012 07:09 Mantraz wrote:
After the snipe nerf i feel TvZ is quickly becoming the new TvP, anyone else having similar experiences in masters? Mutas are not the issue, it's ling/festor...

On April 02 2012 07:13 Snowbear wrote:


I got huge problems vs infestor + broodlord + some ground units. I tried to study terrans like kas, happy, etc, but they:
1) get an advantage and then win vs it
2) die like I do

Its really crazy how cost efficient that composition is. I'm still looking for a sollution vs it. Most of the time I massdrop, and destroy their eco, but then their army moves towards my nat and I just lose my army. Then he goes for my production and I die.

Anyone experiencing the same?

On April 02 2012 07:21 Twistacles wrote:


It's only harder because it's different. You can't play against it like you would ling muta.

As soon as you see the double evo you gotta go double ebay, mix in marauders, and turtle. Your normal 4th timing is usually delayed since a lot of zergs go ling ultra on 3 base and deny your 4th till you leave. What seems to work is to stay on 3, max out, and force him to engage in a bad position. If he tries to expand, engage him. If he doesn't expand, bunker up.

This is overly simplistic so don't flame me, but that's more-or-less what you do

On April 02 2012 07:27 mazqo wrote:
http://drop.sc/packs/794

There is my last 27 TvP's, didnt filter them anyway. Hope you learn something!

On April 02 2012 07:29 Snowbear wrote:


I'm talking about broodlord infestor. Turtle against that and you die 100%...

On April 02 2012 07:38 Twistacles wrote:

Oh. Yeah. If you see broodlord infestor then it's actually easier, imo. You grab your 4th at the usual timing at like the 160 food pushout and overmake vikings

On April 02 2012 07:45 Micket wrote:

That works vs 3 base Broodlord. 4+base is a different beast entirely as the ultra switch WILL kill you.

On April 02 2012 07:04 YyapSsap wrote:
An interesting observation I seem to notice in this thread is that those T players who do find TvP rather their best matchup does poorly in the other matchups.

On April 02 2012 08:15 YyapSsap wrote:
Very curious now to see why you and other T players (minority of the T populace where the majority finds TvP difficult) find other matchups difficult. It could be due to playing against more skilled opponents as what Big J is suggesting so that the overall MMR can stay within 50% but Im thinking Blizz wants to maintain a 50% winrate across all three matchups, so that it results in an overall 50%.

Im guessing like the micromanagement of units such as tanks play a big factor.

On April 02 2012 08:44 DooMDash wrote:
My TvT and TvZ are miles and miles ahead of my TvP. Even when I lose I at least feel like I either played bad, or have major room for improvement. TvP rarely feels that way, it feels like there is little to be learned from my experiences besides build order wins or just being much better. So maybe my TvP is a lack of understanding my mistakes or where to improve, but it seems like that problem in itself could also be related to a bigger design problem.

For me TvP isn't even back in fourth. When I lose I lose hard, when I win it was either a build order win, a bit of luck, or just being much better than my opponent. When I play TvZ's or TvT's I actually have lots and lots of matches where the games are crazy close and intense, and TvP just isn't like that for me.