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BGrael
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany229 Posts
March 10 2012 07:42 GMT
#61
Just casting replays and puttong them on Youtube is simply not enough. Look at Mr Bitter for example, he did a lot of amazing shows before becoming a caster. Now he casts for IEM. HD and Husky got big mainly through Youtube, but they too put in a lot of effort during the beta, for example with their own tournament.
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
March 10 2012 07:52 GMT
#62
On March 10 2012 16:21 RotterdaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 16:07 idonthinksobro wrote:
it kinda seems that someone needs to throw money at you. Many of the casters that are now know only got there because they had money in the first place and therefore were able to pay for getting promoted or were hosting their own tournaments and cast them.
But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster.


That's really not true at all ~ I was a professional Player in Wc3, worked my ass off to get good ( thats why I got a ton of respect for the guys who are good now cause I know how hard you have to work to get there, and even now when I put pretty much all my time into playing if I'm not casting or partying. ) but when the game changed in ways that didn't favor me, and also I didn't adapt properly but was kinda stubborn, I did a few events in Wc3. All I did was go up to a tournament organiser and be like " hey man let me cast a few games, would be fun" ;D Never knew that would take me where I am now, but didn't regret that one day ^^;;

Wc3 community liked it a lot since till that moment no pro had actually ever casted anything in Wc3, it used to be just a few random guys who somehow rolled into something. Anyway after the good feedback that the company got when they hired me, I got invited for a few more events, but casting in Wc3 was nothing compared to SC2. I did it out of passion ( still do btw ) and never tryed to get anything out of it besides having a ton of fun and giving something back to the community , back then Wc3, now Sc2, love em both so they deserved it. However, in Wc3 the whole casting business and social media etc wasnt that big, so for a 3/4 day event I would get 300 euro, sometimes 400 if I got lucky ^_^ or quite often , nothing %). I went to China twice to cast a event for 0 money since they didn't have budget, but I thought to myself, sounds like a pretty good deal ;D I get to go to China and cast Wc3, 2 things I like, why would I need to get payed ^_^, but after doing that for 3/4 events on a row I realised that its kinda hard to survive economicly :D anyways, bottom line is you don't need money to make it as a caster. You do need to work hard, many ways lead to Rome, find yours ^_^



that is exactly what i said in my post, you had money and time therefore you could cast tournaments for free, you invested money in your casting career. Or look at mr.bitter he made the show 12 weeks with the pros, in which he paid pros money to talk about the game on his show, he probably invested a few thousand dollars to get where he is right now. Or look at hdstarcarft or husky, they both promoted themselves at the start of sc2, if iam not mistaken both of these guys made sure to cast as many beta tournaments possible and therefore built a fanbase early on.
Others were known before sc2 like total biscuit is and was, and some of the casters we have today are former pros (day9,tastosis) So yeah getting a top caster as a total unknown with a job(9to5) is hard and probably impossible for most people.
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
March 10 2012 07:58 GMT
#63
Try putting up a tournament.
Make it Weekly/Monthly.
Cast games live from that tournament.

Your casting is actually pretty good, but making yourself known is the hardest part.
Own tournament might change that, if it runs smooth.
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
March 10 2012 08:01 GMT
#64
Well, youtube is capped, no way you can grow there unless you have something really unique. I know it's not really helpful, but don't focus on youtube. There's a lot of content there, people can't possibly watch it all and they rather watch a well known caster or ytb personality, than an unknown caster. Plus, can't speak for everyone, but I rather just watch a stream of somebody laddering, then a youtube video with an MLG match.
oh, hai
RotterdaM
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:14:44
March 10 2012 08:03 GMT
#65
On March 10 2012 16:52 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 16:21 RotterdaM wrote:
On March 10 2012 16:07 idonthinksobro wrote:
it kinda seems that someone needs to throw money at you. Many of the casters that are now know only got there because they had money in the first place and therefore were able to pay for getting promoted or were hosting their own tournaments and cast them.
But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster.


That's really not true at all ~ I was a professional Player in Wc3, worked my ass off to get good ( thats why I got a ton of respect for the guys who are good now cause I know how hard you have to work to get there, and even now when I put pretty much all my time into playing if I'm not casting or partying. ) but when the game changed in ways that didn't favor me, and also I didn't adapt properly but was kinda stubborn, I did a few events in Wc3. All I did was go up to a tournament organiser and be like " hey man let me cast a few games, would be fun" ;D Never knew that would take me where I am now, but didn't regret that one day ^^;;

Wc3 community liked it a lot since till that moment no pro had actually ever casted anything in Wc3, it used to be just a few random guys who somehow rolled into something. Anyway after the good feedback that the company got when they hired me, I got invited for a few more events, but casting in Wc3 was nothing compared to SC2. I did it out of passion ( still do btw ) and never tryed to get anything out of it besides having a ton of fun and giving something back to the community , back then Wc3, now Sc2, love em both so they deserved it. However, in Wc3 the whole casting business and social media etc wasnt that big, so for a 3/4 day event I would get 300 euro, sometimes 400 if I got lucky ^_^ or quite often , nothing %). I went to China twice to cast a event for 0 money since they didn't have budget, but I thought to myself, sounds like a pretty good deal ;D I get to go to China and cast Wc3, 2 things I like, why would I need to get payed ^_^, but after doing that for 3/4 events on a row I realised that its kinda hard to survive economicly :D anyways, bottom line is you don't need money to make it as a caster. You do need to work hard, many ways lead to Rome, find yours ^_^



that is exactly what i said in my post, you had money and time therefore you could cast tournaments for free, you invested money in your casting career. Or look at mr.bitter he made the show 12 weeks with the pros, in which he paid pros money to talk about the game on his show, he probably invested a few thousand dollars to get where he is right now. Or look at hdstarcarft or husky, they both promoted themselves at the start of sc2, if iam not mistaken both of these guys made sure to cast as many beta tournaments possible and therefore built a fanbase early on.
Others were known before sc2 like total biscuit is and was, and some of the casters we have today are former pros (day9,tastosis) So yeah getting a top caster as a total unknown with a job(9to5) is hard and probably impossible for most people.


No, you said you need people to throw money at you to make it, which is bullshit. I never had money, my parents were not rich either in case you wonder. Only money I had I earned via gaming, so I earned it myself despite being a student, so I worked for it. Started playing Wc3 while going to high school 40 hours a week, continued while I was studying 35 hours a week, so what you said is bullshit. You make it sound like I did nothing for 3/4 years besides playing games and sitting on a trustfund being able to do things for nothing. I played a freaking ton, every day, dodged friends who wanted to go out, play football, get drunk, party, I worked online, always played despite having a regular life, so no, its not what you said. The complete opposite actually, if you work really hard, you can get there. You don't need people to throw money at you, you don't need to be unemployed either, you just need to want it really badly, but that shouldn't be a problem, otherwise you don't start with it in the first case~

Also I didn't do any beta tournaments but still did like 10~ big SC2 live events, I didn't cast anything untill HomeStory Cup 1, which I didn't even wanna cast since I felt I didn't know enough about the game, I didn't wanna cast SC2 before I was able to atleast compete ( dont have to win tournaments ) with the best and be able to beat them, but more importantly, understand their thinking process. Anyways my friends and Take invited me to just go, so I went there with Ret, you could say I got there only because of who I was in Wc3, then again that all comes down to what Bitter said, get yourself out there, start networking %). Money is a non issue, sure it helps a ton ^_^ but its not everything, you can fail with all the money in the world or succeed while starting out of nothing.
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MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 08:05:36
March 10 2012 08:04 GMT
#66
On March 10 2012 16:52 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 16:21 RotterdaM wrote:
On March 10 2012 16:07 idonthinksobro wrote:
it kinda seems that someone needs to throw money at you. Many of the casters that are now know only got there because they had money in the first place and therefore were able to pay for getting promoted or were hosting their own tournaments and cast them.
But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster.


That's really not true at all ~ I was a professional Player in Wc3, worked my ass off to get good ( thats why I got a ton of respect for the guys who are good now cause I know how hard you have to work to get there, and even now when I put pretty much all my time into playing if I'm not casting or partying. ) but when the game changed in ways that didn't favor me, and also I didn't adapt properly but was kinda stubborn, I did a few events in Wc3. All I did was go up to a tournament organiser and be like " hey man let me cast a few games, would be fun" ;D Never knew that would take me where I am now, but didn't regret that one day ^^;;

Wc3 community liked it a lot since till that moment no pro had actually ever casted anything in Wc3, it used to be just a few random guys who somehow rolled into something. Anyway after the good feedback that the company got when they hired me, I got invited for a few more events, but casting in Wc3 was nothing compared to SC2. I did it out of passion ( still do btw ) and never tryed to get anything out of it besides having a ton of fun and giving something back to the community , back then Wc3, now Sc2, love em both so they deserved it. However, in Wc3 the whole casting business and social media etc wasnt that big, so for a 3/4 day event I would get 300 euro, sometimes 400 if I got lucky ^_^ or quite often , nothing %). I went to China twice to cast a event for 0 money since they didn't have budget, but I thought to myself, sounds like a pretty good deal ;D I get to go to China and cast Wc3, 2 things I like, why would I need to get payed ^_^, but after doing that for 3/4 events on a row I realised that its kinda hard to survive economicly :D anyways, bottom line is you don't need money to make it as a caster. You do need to work hard, many ways lead to Rome, find yours ^_^



that is exactly what i said in my post, you had money and time therefore you could cast tournaments for free, you invested money in your casting career. Or look at mr.bitter he made the show 12 weeks with the pros, in which he paid pros money to talk about the game on his show, he probably invested a few thousand dollars to get where he is right now. Or look at hdstarcarft or husky, they both promoted themselves at the start of sc2, if iam not mistaken both of these guys made sure to cast as many beta tournaments possible and therefore built a fanbase early on.
Others were known before sc2 like total biscuit is and was, and some of the casters we have today are former pros (day9,tastosis) So yeah getting a top caster as a total unknown with a job(9to5) is hard and probably impossible for most people.


wtf?

There's no such thing as a free lunch, bro.

You have to put in something. Money. Time. It's all the same.

Everyone pays their dues. None of the top players, casters or personalities were given anything.

edit: And this isn't unique to Starcraft. It's life, man. Work hard, invest in yourself, and maybe, if you're a little bit smart, and a little bit lucky, you might get somewhere.
Pelirrojo
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
March 10 2012 08:05 GMT
#67
On March 10 2012 17:01 HornyHerring wrote:
Well, youtube is capped, no way you can grow there unless you have something really unique. I know it's not really helpful, but don't focus on youtube. There's a lot of content there, people can't possibly watch it all and they rather watch a well known caster or ytb personality, than an unknown caster. Plus, can't speak for everyone, but I rather just watch a stream of somebody laddering, then a youtube video with an MLG match.


Maybe commentate on ladder streams in real time? :-p

You're right about youtube - we're at a point where there's just an insane amount of content and so many deserving things don't get many views at all.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
March 10 2012 08:10 GMT
#68
On March 10 2012 17:04 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 16:52 idonthinksobro wrote:
On March 10 2012 16:21 RotterdaM wrote:
On March 10 2012 16:07 idonthinksobro wrote:
it kinda seems that someone needs to throw money at you. Many of the casters that are now know only got there because they had money in the first place and therefore were able to pay for getting promoted or were hosting their own tournaments and cast them.
But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster.


That's really not true at all ~ I was a professional Player in Wc3, worked my ass off to get good ( thats why I got a ton of respect for the guys who are good now cause I know how hard you have to work to get there, and even now when I put pretty much all my time into playing if I'm not casting or partying. ) but when the game changed in ways that didn't favor me, and also I didn't adapt properly but was kinda stubborn, I did a few events in Wc3. All I did was go up to a tournament organiser and be like " hey man let me cast a few games, would be fun" ;D Never knew that would take me where I am now, but didn't regret that one day ^^;;

Wc3 community liked it a lot since till that moment no pro had actually ever casted anything in Wc3, it used to be just a few random guys who somehow rolled into something. Anyway after the good feedback that the company got when they hired me, I got invited for a few more events, but casting in Wc3 was nothing compared to SC2. I did it out of passion ( still do btw ) and never tryed to get anything out of it besides having a ton of fun and giving something back to the community , back then Wc3, now Sc2, love em both so they deserved it. However, in Wc3 the whole casting business and social media etc wasnt that big, so for a 3/4 day event I would get 300 euro, sometimes 400 if I got lucky ^_^ or quite often , nothing %). I went to China twice to cast a event for 0 money since they didn't have budget, but I thought to myself, sounds like a pretty good deal ;D I get to go to China and cast Wc3, 2 things I like, why would I need to get payed ^_^, but after doing that for 3/4 events on a row I realised that its kinda hard to survive economicly :D anyways, bottom line is you don't need money to make it as a caster. You do need to work hard, many ways lead to Rome, find yours ^_^



that is exactly what i said in my post, you had money and time therefore you could cast tournaments for free, you invested money in your casting career. Or look at mr.bitter he made the show 12 weeks with the pros, in which he paid pros money to talk about the game on his show, he probably invested a few thousand dollars to get where he is right now. Or look at hdstarcarft or husky, they both promoted themselves at the start of sc2, if iam not mistaken both of these guys made sure to cast as many beta tournaments possible and therefore built a fanbase early on.
Others were known before sc2 like total biscuit is and was, and some of the casters we have today are former pros (day9,tastosis) So yeah getting a top caster as a total unknown with a job(9to5) is hard and probably impossible for most people.


wtf?

There's no such thing as a free lunch, bro.

You have to put in something. Money. Time. It's all the same.

Everyone pays their dues. None of the top players, casters or personalities were given anything.

edit: And this isn't unique to Starcraft. It's life, man. Work hard, invest in yourself, and maybe, if you're a little bit smart, and a little bit lucky, you might get somewhere.


Wow two great posts one after the other.

I know it's a SC2 forum, but Flash is a great example of hard work pays off. That guy played Brood War literally almost all day every day. Even though he's not perfect, he's considered one of the best Starcraft players of all time.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
chukpeev
Profile Joined June 2010
234 Posts
March 10 2012 09:06 GMT
#69
My tip would be to read user feedback on SC2Casts (on your VODs) and react/improve on in.

http://sc2casts.com/caster320-NerdCraft
SC2Casts.com - SC2 Commented games/vods.
Spaceneil8
Profile Joined February 2011
United States317 Posts
March 10 2012 09:11 GMT
#70
Casting for Playhem or MLG beta streams certainly helps.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 10 2012 09:13 GMT
#71
Try and be a part of the community instead of drawing from the community for views, feedback and such.
A lot of casters come out of nowhere, consistently cast, but never really touch down with the community or post that much and it just makes them completely separate to the very audience and community they're narrating you.
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Kaelaris
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom788 Posts
March 10 2012 10:41 GMT
#72
This is something i've been asked about a LOT during this week. Not only in interviews but also general public and online. I actually intend to write a blog about my own experiences as well as other stuff that might be able to help out. Of course i'm no authority on the subject but I would like to be able to help out.

I do want to point out right now though that you do NOT need to throw money at publicising yourself or getting your name out there. I was able to get where I wanted via presistant practice, networking and a lot of luck as well. To validate the point, I actually have no money to my name as University is an expensive experience, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't.. but of course it's not required.

Regardless i'll be writing one or two blogs when I get back from IEM about a few topics on my mind, including this one as it has come up a LOT!
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justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
March 10 2012 11:03 GMT
#73
It's almost all luck. You have to be in the right place at the right time and know the right people. Many people have been casting for tournaments for over a year and haven't been picked up by anyone. I'd like to add that the community will nitpick on lesser known casters even though the current mainstream casters are god awful IMHO, they just retain their position through popularity and convenience.
Never make a hydralisk.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
March 10 2012 11:13 GMT
#74
try to analise stuff not just say what u see, explain why players do them
also don't overhype stuff too much (increase your voice volume to SUPER LOUD everytime there is a battle)
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befek
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland413 Posts
March 10 2012 11:16 GMT
#75
Apparently shit talking on ladder brings a lot of attention in our community try that.
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Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
March 10 2012 11:20 GMT
#76
Look at exactly what Mr Bitter did. He started from nothing and is now one of the premier casters in the world.
Solid_J
Profile Joined February 2012
Norway18 Posts
March 10 2012 11:35 GMT
#77
My 2 cents.

1. Beeing a caster is pretty much the same as beeing on the radio. Speak clearly, practice your voice, be entusiastic and positive.
2. Know the game - to many casters out there have way to little knowlegde about the game. Artosis is known for having a good reputation, due to his gamesense (he is also top 40 master in Korea). Be able to discuss different builds, comment their potential and weaknesses.
3. Minimap awareness - cant empasize this enough. As a caster you have to know where to look at all times. Practice your use of the minimap.
4. Find your niche. Day9 is popular because he's awesome and funny. Artosis because he knows his shit. What is your contribution?

Good luck! Would love to see new casters evolve in the sc2 community.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 10 2012 11:44 GMT
#78
Say shit people like listening to
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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
March 10 2012 11:58 GMT
#79
Right now there's a flood of casters with little to no game knowledge. If you really want to become a known caster long term you have to have great game knowledge. I predict many of the casters that are considered analytical casters (mostly self-proclaimed) will go away, because they actually don't know jack about the game. Don't be one of those, be a caster that actually knows what he's talking about - there's only 2 in the game as of now.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 10 2012 12:06 GMT
#80
On March 10 2012 20:44 IdrA wrote:
Say shit people like listening to

Ladies and gentlemen, Idra with another brilliant, award-winning post.

Cool to see a lot of IEM people posting on this page :D
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