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On March 10 2012 08:31 LaxCraft wrote:
Be one of the casters who doesn't interject with a question every other sentence, please..
"Looks like X is moving out with bad positioning"
"Is Y going to to slaughter his army?"
"No no, X is pulling back with good game sense"
"Y is moving in for drop play, will this be scouted by X?"
"Will Y snipe the upgrades!?????"
"Is he going to do it?!????????????"
"??????????????????????????"
Please, don't be one of these. Be direct and concise, and I'll gladly follow anyone.
Edit: Also, use good intonation. I can't stand casters who don't know how to use their voice properly.
This is VERY important. Wolf isn't very good at this, so that's why I don't really watch any vods with him in it
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I think you need to bring something to the table that the other un-known YouTube casters don't have. Throw a tournament for a small prize or something(Im talking 20$ or less) Make it open, put up a reddit post and try and get a lot of people to show up. Then you cast the games and gain a following. Playhem started off very very small with tiny brackets etc. Of course not everyone has the money that Playhem has to put on that many tournaments, but you get the point. You cant do what every other person is doing, you need to add your own flair to things.
Don`t copy someones style because they are successful. If I wanted to hear a cast that was like husky I would watch husky. (Not saying you do this; just general advice)
Of course the tournament was the first Idea that came to my mind. You can do all sorts of things that make you unique and stand above other unknown casters.
Every caster has their draw. A lot of them now have the draw of fame, but we will look at the other ones sense you cant exactly just become famous. People like Day9 and Artosis and Dapallo all have the very analytical style, which you can really only do if you are very good at Sc2 and maybe RTS in general.(Nothing is a bigger turn off than a caster that trys to be analytical but doesn't know what they are talking about.) As a high ranked player I cringe sometimes when husky talks about analytical things(not every time, also he doesn't do it often.)
Then you have your play by play casters. This is a more common style as it is easier to do.(My personal favorite is analytical casters) I dont know how you become a better play by play caster. But I would say that putting out vlogs and a lot of fan interaction like JP and Husky do helps a lot with building a following. When you interact with a fan they are more likely to return to watch more.
Glhf 
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On March 10 2012 09:10 Rockztar wrote:
This may not be much advice, but you could try shelling out whatever bucks you can to get a showmatch between two popular players? :p Perhaps get it featured on TL idk. how that works.
Personally, i dont think this would be a good idea until you've honed your casting skill.
Take VirgilSC2's advice. A couple of you on that list in the OP seem to have OK game knowledge, and few "umms" cluttering your commentary. Next step is to further improve your player/strat knowledge and contact smaller tourny organisers.
Good luck - hope it works out for you all...
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nows probably the worst time to make it as a caster since theres so few events and all these events are the big name ones that fly in all the amzing tried and true casters
one smaller events start popping up and theres no way for the big casters to do everything then there start recruiting less known casters
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Any and every post that says all you have to do is be good and people will watch you is wrong. There's a reason there are so many absolutely fucking terrible casters in the current SC2 scene that are more popular than you but are also less funny and/or less knowledgeable and/or less coherent.
The real answer to making it big is same as real life: networking.
Go to events, talk to a lot of people, get a shot to cast tournaments. Network more, get some IPL or dreamhack side event action, network some more, get bumped up to cast smaller and medium sized tourney's main event.
Obviously you have to be actually decent to get somewhere, but if you're anywhere between Kelly Milkis and Totalbiscuit in the english speaking spectra (which, watching your video, you are) then you'll do fine. Getting your name out there is as simple as having people who are already big promote you.
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Do some live events. It's a good way to get known and some very quick, often extremely critical feedback (can be rough, but take it to heart and you will come out twice the caster).
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On March 10 2012 08:19 NerdCRAFT wrote:
I have been consistently casting and posting my videos on Youtube for roughly 3 months now and I feel like it's not going as well as I thought it could have. I believe this for mainly myself being new to the casting scene, but I do also feel that the current scene makes it very hard for new casters to become know. The reason I think this is because the big time casters who have been around since beta such as Husky, HD, Tastless etc... are the casters that most people want to see.
It's not enough to just put stuff on youtube. You need to promote it, and you need to promote yourself. You need to bring something unique to the table in order to differentiate yourself above the hundreds of youtubers out there.
I see way too many amateur casters who put 0 effort or preparation into their casting. You need to accept that you're not Husky, you're not HD, you're not Day9. It's not enough to simply copy what they do and parrot advice that you heard from Tastosis. You need to exceed them in some way in order to get noticed.
Plus, I think 3 months is not a long time at all. Guys like Moletrap and Husky casted for YEARS without recognition before they finally got noticed.
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Become a pro gamer -> retire.
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Here's one way.
On a more serious note, be active in the community and generate content that people want. Covering live events with interviews, etc. are great. Then you get to post threads here about all the great stuff you've got on your youtube channel or w/e.
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You need a more personal id
I watched the Idra vs Oz game 1 and MKP vs Losira game 3
+´Your voice is good for casting
+ No weird accent
+ Not missing fights, following the game well
+ Overall liked your casts
I think you should focus more on what players are heading for and some game knowledge. Like in mkp game it was kinda obvious that he was gonna go bio because he had 2 reactor rax and tech lab rax was producing marauders. Guessing what players are going for and checking what players have seen could make the early-mid game more interesting for viewers.
Maybe you should try to cast something live. Like joining some games on daily/weekly tournaments as observer/caster and casting them. Co-caster might be cool too.
Yea just some ideas
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if it helps, heres plus 1 subscriber to you. Dont let me down
if its really your passion just dont stop doing it
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Use the n word a lot. That gets lots of attention in the SC community
User was temp banned for this post.
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I think honestly the best way to get 'known' is to release good, high quality videos of good games with a good insight to the game, and get as involved in the community as possible. Make good contacts, ask players for exclusive replay packs, etc. Most players are good people who would be happy to give them away.
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Honestly, I think it's gonna be really hard for a new caster to get lots of attention and views. All the big events already have established well known casters at their tourneys and it doesn't look like they're going to hire a new unknown caster. You're going to have to be extra enthusiastic and hyping the game or doing something that none of the other casters do.
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I didn't read the thread so maybe this has been said but...
I'm pretty sure Wolf became known by actually putting up his own money for tournaments, and then casting them himself. A lot of fairly big names will play in relatively low prize pool tournaments just because they have such a high chance of winning. I've seen TLO crushing people in some tournament with a $50 prize pool, and Sheth and Grubby have played showmatches for like $300.
I'm not saying you need to put up $300 of your own money to run a tournament, but it's just something to think about as possibility. It might be a good way to help break into the scene once you've gotten better and a bit more established. Make sure you get players that people will want to see to play. Before you do that, though:
1) Be in masters league
2) Be an excellent caster
I'm sure most of the rest has been covered in the thread by now...
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Aspiring casters might look to MrBitter as an example. His rise from diamond leaguer to premiere caster was fun to watch. One of his first steps into the spotlight was his "12 weeks with the pros" series. He produced content that a lot of people could relate to, namely how to learn to play zerg at the master level and above. One thing that set him apart IMO was his connection with big names. Lessons from guys like iNcontroL gave his show some draw and credibility. At the same time, he connected with his viewers as well, streaming lessons that he would give to lower level players. He produced a lot of quality content before getting big breaks as a caster. I think one of the turning points for him was the transition from streamed lessons to the KOTH series he ran for a while. With all the practice time he'd put in playing or coaching while keeping up dialogue on stream, he was in good shape to cast games at a high level. Having exciting matches and players helped as well. I still remember watching Spanishiwa's economic opening into 3rd denial with speedlings vs P on shattered temple in one of the KOTHs. Finding games being played at the leading edge of the meta-game makes it more likely that people will tune in for replays and VOD views. A little humor doesn't hurt either + Show Spoiler +
So yeah, get good at the game, get good at talking while playing or observing, connect with some players near the top of the pro scene to draw viewers (and get some tips on your game in the process) and then try your hand at event casting. It takes a lot of dedication, but it can pay off. Hats off to Ben for realizing the dream
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- cast good professional games -> post on YT
- use those to 1) improve and 2) have something to show when you ask to cast small tourneys
- if you are a good / entertaining / unique caster, you'll slowly cast bigger and better tourneys
- ????
- profit
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On March 10 2012 15:20 nanoscorp wrote:Aspiring casters might look to MrBitter as an example. His rise from diamond leaguer to premiere caster was fun to watch. One of his first steps into the spotlight was his "12 weeks with the pros" series. He produced content that a lot of people could relate to, namely how to learn to play zerg at the master level and above. One thing that set him apart IMO was his connection with big names. Lessons from guys like iNcontroL gave his show some draw and credibility. At the same time, he connected with his viewers as well, streaming lessons that he would give to lower level players. He produced a lot of quality content before getting big breaks as a caster. I think one of the turning points for him was the transition from streamed lessons to the KOTH series he ran for a while. With all the practice time he'd put in playing or coaching while keeping up dialogue on stream, he was in good shape to cast games at a high level. Having exciting matches and players helped as well. I still remember watching Spanishiwa's economic opening into 3rd denial with speedlings vs P on shattered temple in one of the KOTHs. Finding games being played at the leading edge of the meta-game makes it more likely that people will tune in for replays and VOD views. A little humor doesn't hurt either + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjzUUDLYybE So yeah, get good at the game, get good at talking while playing or observing, connect with some players near the top of the pro scene to draw viewers (and get some tips on your game in the process) and then try your hand at event casting. It takes a lot of dedication, but it can pay off. Hats off to Ben for realizing the dream
Oh God. Not the Bonergeist video. >.<
Best thing you can do as an aspiring caster:
Go to events, meet people, and network yourself.
Kaelaris has been casting games for a while, but didn't get invited to cast at the IEM final until he started showing up at events, shaking hands, sending out emails, and networking himself.
After this week, I'm willing to wager that everyone will be seeing more of Kaelaris.
It's not enough to sit at your desk, upload a video to YouTube once in awhile, and feel like that's sufficient.
Even Husky and HD, the so-called "firsts" set themselves apart by going that extra mile and producing special content.
edit: It's also very important that you play the game you're trying to cast at, at the very least, a respectable amateur level.
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it kinda seems that someone needs to throw money at you. Many of the casters that are now know only got there because they had money in the first place and therefore were able to pay for getting promoted or were hosting their own tournaments and cast them.
But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster.
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On March 10 2012 16:07 idonthinksobro wrote:
it kinda seems that someone needs to throw money at you. Many of the casters that are now know only got there because they had money in the first place and therefore were able to pay for getting promoted or were hosting their own tournaments and cast them.
But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster.
That's really not true at all ~ I was a professional Player in Wc3, worked my ass off to get good ( thats why I got a ton of respect for the guys who are good now cause I know how hard you have to work to get there, and even now when I put pretty much all my time into playing if I'm not casting or partying. ) but when the game changed in ways that didn't favor me, and also I didn't adapt properly but was kinda stubborn, I did a few events in Wc3. All I did was go up to a tournament organiser and be like " hey man let me cast a few games, would be fun" ;D Never knew that would take me where I am now, but didn't regret that one day ^^;;
Wc3 community liked it a lot since till that moment no pro had actually ever casted anything in Wc3, it used to be just a few random guys who somehow rolled into something. Anyway after the good feedback that the company got when they hired me, I got invited for a few more events, but casting in Wc3 was nothing compared to SC2. I did it out of passion ( still do btw ) and never tryed to get anything out of it besides having a ton of fun and giving something back to the community , back then Wc3, now Sc2, love em both so they deserved it. However, in Wc3 the whole casting business and social media etc wasnt that big, so for a 3/4 day event I would get 300 euro, sometimes 400 if I got lucky ^_^ or quite often , nothing %). I went to China twice to cast a event for 0 money since they didn't have budget, but I thought to myself, sounds like a pretty good deal ;D I get to go to China and cast Wc3, 2 things I like, why would I need to get payed ^_^, but after doing that for 3/4 events on a row I realised that its kinda hard to survive economicly :D anyways, bottom line is you don't need money to make it as a caster. You do need to work hard, many ways lead to Rome, find yours ^_^
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