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NerdCRAFT
United States53 Posts
I may just be frustradted and venting because I'm not patient enough. If that's just the case then I will have to be more patient of course, but I do want to create some oppurtunity for casters like myself so here's a list of new, up and coming casters. SC2England very talented guy HDPheonixx is a caster that does mainly SEA/KR games and is more known I like the stuff this guy says makes the game very enertaining and of course myself | ||
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fAnTaCy
United States893 Posts
On a more serious note, just advertise yourself. Cast high level games, show some knowledge. It really just does come down to advertising yourself, but it does take time coming from being unknown to being known, so just have some patience, show you're a good caster and advertise yourself and you'll be good =] | ||
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zcxvbn
United States257 Posts
Link to their channel here There's definitely room for improvement but I'm sure they would appreciate any constructive criticism! | ||
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supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
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LaxCraft
United States11 Posts
"Looks like X is moving out with bad positioning" "Is Y going to to slaughter his army?" "No no, X is pulling back with good game sense" "Y is moving in for drop play, will this be scouted by X?" "Will Y snipe the upgrades!?????" "Is he going to do it?!????????????" "??????????????????????????" Please, don't be one of these. Be direct and concise, and I'll gladly follow anyone. Edit: Also, use good intonation. I can't stand casters who don't know how to use their voice properly. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
try to get to cast smaller weekly cups and tournaments and you will be recognised a lot easier. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
Of course, there are the Day[9]s and the Tastelesses that have been known since the BW days of old. Husky and HDStarcraft still command large fanbases since the days of the Beta. Moletrap has been an old-school caster for tons of BW games. But beyond that, there are quite a few casters nowadays that have become known far later than the casters from the BW and Beta days. Doa was lucky enough to land a gig at the GSL, and he did a good enough job with his silky-smooth voice to eventually transfer to a more convenient job at the IPL. CatsPajamas was quite a small-time caster and casted for quite a few lesser events before grabbing the attention of IPL and landing a job there. Orb (disregarding his recent drama) managed to land a job at the EG Lair after dedicating himself to casting quite a few iCCup SC2 events, which later became the ESV.tv events such as the Korean Weekly. Overall, just try to find and apply to as many opportunities as you can if you really want to be known in the community. Each gig will look good on your resume, and keep casting games on Youtube to hone your skills. Eventually, hard work, talent, and luck might carry you to better places. | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
There's a lot of youtubecasters nowadays. As someone else said, try to contact some weekly cups if u can join their casting teams. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
You could also try sponsoring show matches. For my one year anniversary of casting I hosted a 5 day event with top NA pros http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280311 Hosting events like this for money will allow you to be featured on the calendar as well. Overall it is very difficult to get noticed but hard work does pay off, just look at some of the other casters in the scene. | ||
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ImAbstracT
519 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
I really doubt I'm the only person who feels this way. So try casting some weekly cups or random tournaments etc.. I imagine a lot of people like me only watch Starcraft as either a tournament or sometimes a players stream and if anything we're probably the more hardcore audience. Also for what it's worth I think you have a good voice for casting and you seem pretty confident and smooth on the mic. Another thing is casting is always way better in pairs (not even guys like Artosis, Day9, DjWheat or any of the other big names cast amazingly solo) so imo it's worth finding a partner to buddy up with for your content. It did wonders for Apollo and TotalBiscuit seen as Apollo used to be a minor guy and TotalBiscuit has barely any haters (compartively) now that he never casts solo. Another important factor is casters need to play a lot. The only casters who's below Masters which isn't immediately obvious as soon as you listen to them is DjWheat who has years upon years of experience. If you're better at the game you'll get better at casting. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On March 10 2012 08:56 TheRealNanMan wrote: Hey Nerdcraft, I am also an up and coming caster (been casting since November 2010) And the best way that I have found to help get attention is casting other live events (Show Matches/Tournaments) TeamLiquid Opens/Local LANs things like that help bring new viewers your way. You could also try sponsoring show matches. For my one year anniversary of casting I hosted a 5 day event with top NA pros http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280311 Hosting events like this for money will allow you to be featured on the calendar as well. Overall it is very difficult to get noticed but hard work does pay off, just look at some of the other casters in the scene. Just ask two known players to play a showmatch and then cast it! | ||
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SupplyBlockedTV
Belgium313 Posts
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Recoil
United States276 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 10 2012 08:59 ReketSomething wrote: Just ask two known players to play a showmatch and then cast it! He should ask a Korean and a foreigner. That's generally the best combo for max viewers I think. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Step 1: Stop watching replays before you cast them (should you cast from replays) Step 2: Stop casting games from tournament replay packs (outside of practice) Step 3: Practice your casting, eliminate all "umms" and lengthy pauses. Step 4: Improve your observing, not only for yourself (making sure you don't miss any action), but for the viewers (try to keep it smooth and "cinematic") Step 5: Reach out to smaller tournament organizers, approach them about co-casting some of their events, be eager (but not to the point of harassment). The most important thing is to start casting live games on stream. Step 6: Make sure you can stream in High Definition (at least 720p). I can't stress how important this is; nobody wants to watch < 720p if it's not a major tournament. Step 7: Expand your vocabulary. You need to be able to use different words and phrases interchangeably, otherwise your casts may seem repetitive and stale Step 8: Be professional. If recent events have shown you ANYTHING, it's that you need to act like a professional caster, even if you aren't one yet. Furthermore, even if you're not a fan of some players (perhaps IdrA for example, he's very polarizing) try to be as equalizing as possible when discussing players. There can only be so many Huskies out there who get famous from YouTube content, and frankly I think that era has come and gone. There are too many live tournaments, or live tournament VoDs to watch, the majority of StarCraft fans aren't searching YouTube for random games to watch anymore. You also need to look at marketing yourself attractively; Orb got famous back in the beta because his stream was hilarious and he raged a lot. He then evolved into a fantastic and very professional caster, but his past marketing himself unattractively came back to get him unfortunately. Make yourself appear like a professional whenever you're on camera, hell, even better if you do it off camera. You should also focus on expanding both your game knowledge and player knowledge. I can't even begin to explain how frustrated I get when I hear casters (that I employ sometimes mind you) say something like "I don't know who this is, but he's Korean and he plays Protoss for Slayers, we have Crank!" Also, keep up to date on recent major tournament results for the scene you're casting. For example, if you're casting Korean content, research the players you know will be playing, find out when they last qualified for GSL (if ever), Korean Weekly results, play in GSTL/KSL, EWM results. European scene you're going to want to know how they've done in the recent Weekly/Monthly cups. North America you'll want to check past MLG Open Brackets, IPL content, team leagues, qualifiers, etc. It's even better if you actually take the time to WATCH a lot of the games, it helps you keep notes on specific tendencies of certain players (ex: InCa and DTs). Keeping up with the metagame is also extremely important, knowing what players are doing in certain matchups, on certain maps, etc. You should be able to spot builds like a player would spot builds only you should be better because you see EVERYTHING. Watch the recent GSTL finals, look at what Artosis is able to predict just seeing Genius cancel is 4th gas after DRG saw it (I believe it was on Cloud Kingdom). Make sure you're aware of past matches players have played against that specific opponent, or that specific match-up. TLPD is an amazing tool to use for this, just remember to check both International and Korean databases in some cases (or always use the one more relevant to the content). For example, PuMa vs MC coming up in the IEM WC Hanover finals: Third finals meeting internationally between these two, PuMa holds 2-0 series wins over MC in the finals, yadda yadda. I could go on for hours about this but I have errands to take care of, but I think these are some good places to start. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
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Rockztar
Denmark210 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
So work primarily on getting really good and knowledgeable. There's a lot of casters in the scene but not a lot of great casters. | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
There are so few good foreign casters, something like 5-6 in the world. I believe that if you are really good you will get noticed. | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." Basically just put yourself out there, if you get an offer to cast some unknown tournament with 23 viewers and you are completely able to commit to it then just go for it. Keep up that kind of work and your name will sort of get in circulation and you never know when Tastosis' flight to MLG gets cancelled due to weather and djwheat/Day9/MrBitter/etc get bumped up into the premier casting position and they need a caster for the other streams. Suddenly your name is dropped to the MLG staff and BAM there is your breakout event. So it seems like luck but in reality you were aggressively preparing just for an opportunity such as that to pop up! Also, in the meantime it doesn't hurt to do something that makes you stand out from the other casters. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
That's what I would do if I was casting atleast. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
It will be hard and it may not pay off but thats the only way I can see someone standing out atm.Unless of course you are a much much better caster than everybody else that people will notice you because of how damn good you are but honestly I think thats a stretch. Market yourself. | ||
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NadaSound
United States227 Posts
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Reval
United States297 Posts
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Zeetee
United States153 Posts
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kju
6143 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295784 there are some advices if u want to become a caster | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
However let's take your casting. I only watched one VOD but this is the feel I got. It's very monotone / uninteresting to me and you ramble about random stuff that sounds awkward rather than funny to me. I didn't really find that you added anything to the game, it just kind of was in the background. I think the analysis was very shallow and the play-by-play isn't crazy either(Like Tobi Wan Kenobi as an example), so I honestly became quite bored after a few minutes even though the game itself wasn't that bad. I honestly think there's dozens of similiar decent-voice, play-by-play, shallow analysis commentators. The best thing you can currently do in my opinion is to understand the game at a high level and be able to articulate well. You don't actually need to know how to play well even though it helps, you can study replays and try to analyse them very hard and try to understand why the players do what they do. You can gain knowledge of the game like that as well, but in my opinion at these times it's very important to impress others with your game knowledge not being lackluster. Then it's just yeah, contacting the tournament organizers and maybe sending them example VODs. Even if you aren't known at all, if they like your commentating you should be hired, because in the end popularity doesn't matter as much to the organizers assuming you really are that good. However for you personally you should be concentrating on improving your commentating before worrying about getting known somehow. | ||
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Skaminator
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NerdCRAFT
United States53 Posts
However let's take your casting. I only watched one VOD but this is the feel I got. It's very monotone / uninteresting to me and you ramble about random stuff that sounds awkward rather than funny to me. I didn't really find that you added anything to the game, it just kind of was in the background. I think the analysis was very shallow and the play-by-play isn't crazy either(Like Tobi Wan Kenobi as an example), so I honestly became quite bored after a few minutes even though the game itself wasn't that bad. I honestly think there's dozens of similiar decent-voice, play-by-play, shallow analysis commentators. Thank you for the feedback! I try to make the game interesting as for the rambling it has recently become a bad habit of mine that I am trying to break, so it's nice to know that there are people who will tell me what they don't like. As for the understanding of the game, I thought I did have a pretty good understanding of tactics within the game, but I haven't been updating myself so to speak. So I will continue studying the game and hopefully make it interesting! Thank you very much!^^ And thanks everyone who has been replying I have a lot of good ideas now. | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
Why am I making these points? Because I feel like there is a large influx of casters who are late to the game but have a lot of talent. The community should recognize this and raise their standards for casters. So hopefully there will be some turnover and if you are the next big thing hopefully you can get a shot if you do well where other casters have not. | ||
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stormseeker442
United States60 Posts
and of course myself [/QUOTE] sure ill subscribe why not! :D | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
If you're going to make yourself known, you need to be different. I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH. There HAS to be a reason for me to watch you over Husky or day9. THERE MUST BE. If you're going to open the game and talk about how daybreak is a 2 player map, talk about idra being a macro player, talk about him being "emotional" when it comes to losing, you're instantly tossed into my "standard caster bucket". You stumble over some of your words; if it takes you too long to convey what you want to say, i'm not interested. The words I hear should be flowing out as fast and as smoothly as I can think of them myself. The example of this is 2:55 video time OZ v Idra. Starts out okay, gets to the point where I wish you would just move on to the next point. Imo there's no more room for play-by-play casters. Unless you're faster than Husky, more unconventional than Total Biscuit, or more respected than Wheat, you're not going to make it big from standard stuff. | ||
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NerdCRAFT
United States53 Posts
sure ill subscribe why not! :D Thank You!^^ | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Maybe you should try to cast some tournaments? I don't know much about it. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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bustanut
United States76 Posts
On March 10 2012 08:31 LaxCraft wrote: Be one of the casters who doesn't interject with a question every other sentence, please.. "Looks like X is moving out with bad positioning" "Is Y going to to slaughter his army?" "No no, X is pulling back with good game sense" "Y is moving in for drop play, will this be scouted by X?" "Will Y snipe the upgrades!?????" "Is he going to do it?!????????????" "??????????????????????????" Please, don't be one of these. Be direct and concise, and I'll gladly follow anyone. Edit: Also, use good intonation. I can't stand casters who don't know how to use their voice properly. This is VERY important. Wolf isn't very good at this, so that's why I don't really watch any vods with him in it | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
Don`t copy someones style because they are successful. If I wanted to hear a cast that was like husky I would watch husky. (Not saying you do this; just general advice) Of course the tournament was the first Idea that came to my mind. You can do all sorts of things that make you unique and stand above other unknown casters. Every caster has their draw. A lot of them now have the draw of fame, but we will look at the other ones sense you cant exactly just become famous. People like Day9 and Artosis and Dapallo all have the very analytical style, which you can really only do if you are very good at Sc2 and maybe RTS in general.(Nothing is a bigger turn off than a caster that trys to be analytical but doesn't know what they are talking about.) As a high ranked player I cringe sometimes when husky talks about analytical things(not every time, also he doesn't do it often.) Then you have your play by play casters. This is a more common style as it is easier to do.(My personal favorite is analytical casters) I dont know how you become a better play by play caster. But I would say that putting out vlogs and a lot of fan interaction like JP and Husky do helps a lot with building a following. When you interact with a fan they are more likely to return to watch more. Glhf | ||
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WaylanderUK
United Kingdom5 Posts
On March 10 2012 09:10 Rockztar wrote: This may not be much advice, but you could try shelling out whatever bucks you can to get a showmatch between two popular players? :p Perhaps get it featured on TL idk. how that works. Personally, i dont think this would be a good idea until you've honed your casting skill. Take VirgilSC2's advice. A couple of you on that list in the OP seem to have OK game knowledge, and few "umms" cluttering your commentary. Next step is to further improve your player/strat knowledge and contact smaller tourny organisers. Good luck - hope it works out for you all... | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
one smaller events start popping up and theres no way for the big casters to do everything then there start recruiting less known casters | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
The real answer to making it big is same as real life: networking. Go to events, talk to a lot of people, get a shot to cast tournaments. Network more, get some IPL or dreamhack side event action, network some more, get bumped up to cast smaller and medium sized tourney's main event. Obviously you have to be actually decent to get somewhere, but if you're anywhere between Kelly Milkis and Totalbiscuit in the english speaking spectra (which, watching your video, you are) then you'll do fine. Getting your name out there is as simple as having people who are already big promote you. | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
On March 10 2012 08:19 NerdCRAFT wrote: I have been consistently casting and posting my videos on Youtube for roughly 3 months now and I feel like it's not going as well as I thought it could have. I believe this for mainly myself being new to the casting scene, but I do also feel that the current scene makes it very hard for new casters to become know. The reason I think this is because the big time casters who have been around since beta such as Husky, HD, Tastless etc... are the casters that most people want to see. It's not enough to just put stuff on youtube. You need to promote it, and you need to promote yourself. You need to bring something unique to the table in order to differentiate yourself above the hundreds of youtubers out there. I see way too many amateur casters who put 0 effort or preparation into their casting. You need to accept that you're not Husky, you're not HD, you're not Day9. It's not enough to simply copy what they do and parrot advice that you heard from Tastosis. You need to exceed them in some way in order to get noticed. Plus, I think 3 months is not a long time at all. Guys like Moletrap and Husky casted for YEARS without recognition before they finally got noticed. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
On a more serious note, be active in the community and generate content that people want. Covering live events with interviews, etc. are great. Then you get to post threads here about all the great stuff you've got on your youtube channel or w/e. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
I watched the Idra vs Oz game 1 and MKP vs Losira game 3 +´Your voice is good for casting + No weird accent + Not missing fights, following the game well + Overall liked your casts I think you should focus more on what players are heading for and some game knowledge. Like in mkp game it was kinda obvious that he was gonna go bio because he had 2 reactor rax and tech lab rax was producing marauders. Guessing what players are going for and checking what players have seen could make the early-mid game more interesting for viewers. Maybe you should try to cast something live. Like joining some games on daily/weekly tournaments as observer/caster and casting them. Co-caster might be cool too. Yea just some ideas | ||
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danzhang
Canada184 Posts
if its really your passion just dont stop doing it | ||
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
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MrMcIntosh
Australia91 Posts
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
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Pelirrojo
United States98 Posts
I'm pretty sure Wolf became known by actually putting up his own money for tournaments, and then casting them himself. A lot of fairly big names will play in relatively low prize pool tournaments just because they have such a high chance of winning. I've seen TLO crushing people in some tournament with a $50 prize pool, and Sheth and Grubby have played showmatches for like $300. I'm not saying you need to put up $300 of your own money to run a tournament, but it's just something to think about as possibility. It might be a good way to help break into the scene once you've gotten better and a bit more established. Make sure you get players that people will want to see to play. Before you do that, though: 1) Be in masters league 2) Be an excellent caster I'm sure most of the rest has been covered in the thread by now... | ||
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
So yeah, get good at the game, get good at talking while playing or observing, connect with some players near the top of the pro scene to draw viewers (and get some tips on your game in the process) and then try your hand at event casting. It takes a lot of dedication, but it can pay off. Hats off to Ben for realizing the dream | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
- use those to 1) improve and 2) have something to show when you ask to cast small tourneys - if you are a good / entertaining / unique caster, you'll slowly cast bigger and better tourneys - ???? - profit | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On March 10 2012 15:20 nanoscorp wrote: Aspiring casters might look to MrBitter as an example. His rise from diamond leaguer to premiere caster was fun to watch. One of his first steps into the spotlight was his "12 weeks with the pros" series. He produced content that a lot of people could relate to, namely how to learn to play zerg at the master level and above. One thing that set him apart IMO was his connection with big names. Lessons from guys like iNcontroL gave his show some draw and credibility. At the same time, he connected with his viewers as well, streaming lessons that he would give to lower level players. He produced a lot of quality content before getting big breaks as a caster. I think one of the turning points for him was the transition from streamed lessons to the KOTH series he ran for a while. With all the practice time he'd put in playing or coaching while keeping up dialogue on stream, he was in good shape to cast games at a high level. Having exciting matches and players helped as well. I still remember watching Spanishiwa's economic opening into 3rd denial with speedlings vs P on shattered temple in one of the KOTHs. Finding games being played at the leading edge of the meta-game makes it more likely that people will tune in for replays and VOD views. A little humor doesn't hurt either + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjzUUDLYybE So yeah, get good at the game, get good at talking while playing or observing, connect with some players near the top of the pro scene to draw viewers (and get some tips on your game in the process) and then try your hand at event casting. It takes a lot of dedication, but it can pay off. Hats off to Ben for realizing the dream Oh God. Not the Bonergeist video. >.< Best thing you can do as an aspiring caster: Go to events, meet people, and network yourself. Kaelaris has been casting games for a while, but didn't get invited to cast at the IEM final until he started showing up at events, shaking hands, sending out emails, and networking himself. After this week, I'm willing to wager that everyone will be seeing more of Kaelaris. It's not enough to sit at your desk, upload a video to YouTube once in awhile, and feel like that's sufficient. Even Husky and HD, the so-called "firsts" set themselves apart by going that extra mile and producing special content. edit: It's also very important that you play the game you're trying to cast at, at the very least, a respectable amateur level. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster. | ||
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
On March 10 2012 16:07 idonthinksobro wrote: it kinda seems that someone needs to throw money at you. Many of the casters that are now know only got there because they had money in the first place and therefore were able to pay for getting promoted or were hosting their own tournaments and cast them. But yeah just investing money in your casting career won't make you know you also have to be a decent caster. That's really not true at all ~ I was a professional Player in Wc3, worked my ass off to get good ( thats why I got a ton of respect for the guys who are good now cause I know how hard you have to work to get there, and even now when I put pretty much all my time into playing if I'm not casting or partying. ) but when the game changed in ways that didn't favor me, and also I didn't adapt properly but was kinda stubborn, I did a few events in Wc3. All I did was go up to a tournament organiser and be like " hey man let me cast a few games, would be fun" ;D Never knew that would take me where I am now, but didn't regret that one day ^^;; Wc3 community liked it a lot since till that moment no pro had actually ever casted anything in Wc3, it used to be just a few random guys who somehow rolled into something. Anyway after the good feedback that the company got when they hired me, I got invited for a few more events, but casting in Wc3 was nothing compared to SC2. I did it out of passion ( still do btw ) and never tryed to get anything out of it besides having a ton of fun and giving something back to the community , back then Wc3, now Sc2, love em both so they deserved it. However, in Wc3 the whole casting business and social media etc wasnt that big, so for a 3/4 day event I would get 300 euro, sometimes 400 if I got lucky ^_^ or quite often , nothing %). I went to China twice to cast a event for 0 money since they didn't have budget, but I thought to myself, sounds like a pretty good deal ;D I get to go to China and cast Wc3, 2 things I like, why would I need to get payed ^_^, but after doing that for 3/4 events on a row I realised that its kinda hard to survive economicly :D anyways, bottom line is you don't need money to make it as a caster. You do need to work hard, many ways lead to Rome, find yours ^_^ | ||
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BGrael
Germany229 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On March 10 2012 16:21 RotterdaM wrote: That's really not true at all ~ I was a professional Player in Wc3, worked my ass off to get good ( thats why I got a ton of respect for the guys who are good now cause I know how hard you have to work to get there, and even now when I put pretty much all my time into playing if I'm not casting or partying. ) but when the game changed in ways that didn't favor me, and also I didn't adapt properly but was kinda stubborn, I did a few events in Wc3. All I did was go up to a tournament organiser and be like " hey man let me cast a few games, would be fun" ;D Never knew that would take me where I am now, but didn't regret that one day ^^;; Wc3 community liked it a lot since till that moment no pro had actually ever casted anything in Wc3, it used to be just a few random guys who somehow rolled into something. Anyway after the good feedback that the company got when they hired me, I got invited for a few more events, but casting in Wc3 was nothing compared to SC2. I did it out of passion ( still do btw ) and never tryed to get anything out of it besides having a ton of fun and giving something back to the community , back then Wc3, now Sc2, love em both so they deserved it. However, in Wc3 the whole casting business and social media etc wasnt that big, so for a 3/4 day event I would get 300 euro, sometimes 400 if I got lucky ^_^ or quite often , nothing %). I went to China twice to cast a event for 0 money since they didn't have budget, but I thought to myself, sounds like a pretty good deal ;D I get to go to China and cast Wc3, 2 things I like, why would I need to get payed ^_^, but after doing that for 3/4 events on a row I realised that its kinda hard to survive economicly :D anyways, bottom line is you don't need money to make it as a caster. You do need to work hard, many ways lead to Rome, find yours ^_^ that is exactly what i said in my post, you had money and time therefore you could cast tournaments for free, you invested money in your casting career. Or look at mr.bitter he made the show 12 weeks with the pros, in which he paid pros money to talk about the game on his show, he probably invested a few thousand dollars to get where he is right now. Or look at hdstarcarft or husky, they both promoted themselves at the start of sc2, if iam not mistaken both of these guys made sure to cast as many beta tournaments possible and therefore built a fanbase early on. Others were known before sc2 like total biscuit is and was, and some of the casters we have today are former pros (day9,tastosis) So yeah getting a top caster as a total unknown with a job(9to5) is hard and probably impossible for most people. | ||
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stfouri
Finland272 Posts
Make it Weekly/Monthly. Cast games live from that tournament. Your casting is actually pretty good, but making yourself known is the hardest part. Own tournament might change that, if it runs smooth. | ||
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
On March 10 2012 16:52 idonthinksobro wrote: that is exactly what i said in my post, you had money and time therefore you could cast tournaments for free, you invested money in your casting career. Or look at mr.bitter he made the show 12 weeks with the pros, in which he paid pros money to talk about the game on his show, he probably invested a few thousand dollars to get where he is right now. Or look at hdstarcarft or husky, they both promoted themselves at the start of sc2, if iam not mistaken both of these guys made sure to cast as many beta tournaments possible and therefore built a fanbase early on. Others were known before sc2 like total biscuit is and was, and some of the casters we have today are former pros (day9,tastosis) So yeah getting a top caster as a total unknown with a job(9to5) is hard and probably impossible for most people. No, you said you need people to throw money at you to make it, which is bullshit. I never had money, my parents were not rich either in case you wonder. Only money I had I earned via gaming, so I earned it myself despite being a student, so I worked for it. Started playing Wc3 while going to high school 40 hours a week, continued while I was studying 35 hours a week, so what you said is bullshit. You make it sound like I did nothing for 3/4 years besides playing games and sitting on a trustfund being able to do things for nothing. I played a freaking ton, every day, dodged friends who wanted to go out, play football, get drunk, party, I worked online, always played despite having a regular life, so no, its not what you said. The complete opposite actually, if you work really hard, you can get there. You don't need people to throw money at you, you don't need to be unemployed either, you just need to want it really badly, but that shouldn't be a problem, otherwise you don't start with it in the first case~ Also I didn't do any beta tournaments but still did like 10~ big SC2 live events, I didn't cast anything untill HomeStory Cup 1, which I didn't even wanna cast since I felt I didn't know enough about the game, I didn't wanna cast SC2 before I was able to atleast compete ( dont have to win tournaments ) with the best and be able to beat them, but more importantly, understand their thinking process. Anyways my friends and Take invited me to just go, so I went there with Ret, you could say I got there only because of who I was in Wc3, then again that all comes down to what Bitter said, get yourself out there, start networking %). Money is a non issue, sure it helps a ton ^_^ but its not everything, you can fail with all the money in the world or succeed while starting out of nothing. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On March 10 2012 16:52 idonthinksobro wrote: that is exactly what i said in my post, you had money and time therefore you could cast tournaments for free, you invested money in your casting career. Or look at mr.bitter he made the show 12 weeks with the pros, in which he paid pros money to talk about the game on his show, he probably invested a few thousand dollars to get where he is right now. Or look at hdstarcarft or husky, they both promoted themselves at the start of sc2, if iam not mistaken both of these guys made sure to cast as many beta tournaments possible and therefore built a fanbase early on. Others were known before sc2 like total biscuit is and was, and some of the casters we have today are former pros (day9,tastosis) So yeah getting a top caster as a total unknown with a job(9to5) is hard and probably impossible for most people. wtf? There's no such thing as a free lunch, bro. You have to put in something. Money. Time. It's all the same. Everyone pays their dues. None of the top players, casters or personalities were given anything. edit: And this isn't unique to Starcraft. It's life, man. Work hard, invest in yourself, and maybe, if you're a little bit smart, and a little bit lucky, you might get somewhere. | ||
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Pelirrojo
United States98 Posts
On March 10 2012 17:01 HornyHerring wrote: Well, youtube is capped, no way you can grow there unless you have something really unique. I know it's not really helpful, but don't focus on youtube. There's a lot of content there, people can't possibly watch it all and they rather watch a well known caster or ytb personality, than an unknown caster. Plus, can't speak for everyone, but I rather just watch a stream of somebody laddering, then a youtube video with an MLG match. Maybe commentate on ladder streams in real time? :-p You're right about youtube - we're at a point where there's just an insane amount of content and so many deserving things don't get many views at all. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On March 10 2012 17:04 MrBitter wrote: wtf? There's no such thing as a free lunch, bro. You have to put in something. Money. Time. It's all the same. Everyone pays their dues. None of the top players, casters or personalities were given anything. edit: And this isn't unique to Starcraft. It's life, man. Work hard, invest in yourself, and maybe, if you're a little bit smart, and a little bit lucky, you might get somewhere. Wow two great posts one after the other. I know it's a SC2 forum, but Flash is a great example of hard work pays off. That guy played Brood War literally almost all day every day. Even though he's not perfect, he's considered one of the best Starcraft players of all time. | ||
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chukpeev
234 Posts
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Spaceneil8
United States317 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
A lot of casters come out of nowhere, consistently cast, but never really touch down with the community or post that much and it just makes them completely separate to the very audience and community they're narrating you. | ||
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Kaelaris
United Kingdom788 Posts
I do want to point out right now though that you do NOT need to throw money at publicising yourself or getting your name out there. I was able to get where I wanted via presistant practice, networking and a lot of luck as well. To validate the point, I actually have no money to my name as University is an expensive experience, so even if I wanted to, I couldn't.. but of course it's not required. Regardless i'll be writing one or two blogs when I get back from IEM about a few topics on my mind, including this one as it has come up a LOT! | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
also don't overhype stuff too much (increase your voice volume to SUPER LOUD everytime there is a battle) | ||
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befek
Poland413 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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Solid_J
Norway18 Posts
1. Beeing a caster is pretty much the same as beeing on the radio. Speak clearly, practice your voice, be entusiastic and positive. 2. Know the game - to many casters out there have way to little knowlegde about the game. Artosis is known for having a good reputation, due to his gamesense (he is also top 40 master in Korea). Be able to discuss different builds, comment their potential and weaknesses. 3. Minimap awareness - cant empasize this enough. As a caster you have to know where to look at all times. Practice your use of the minimap. 4. Find your niche. Day9 is popular because he's awesome and funny. Artosis because he knows his shit. What is your contribution? Good luck! Would love to see new casters evolve in the sc2 community. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On March 10 2012 20:44 IdrA wrote: Say shit people like listening to Ladies and gentlemen, Idra with another brilliant, award-winning post. Cool to see a lot of IEM people posting on this page :D | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On March 10 2012 20:20 Micket wrote: Look at exactly what Mr Bitter did. He started from nothing and is now one of the premier casters in the world. To be fair though, he spent a lot of money to get progamers to his show when he was still relatively unknown and he was a fairly decent player to begin with, I don't think his story is easily repeatable. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
It seems to me at least that a lot of people take up casting just because they believe they have a strong understanding of the game and they want to show the whole world exactly how much they know. But even if that's true (and it very rarely is), that's not what casting is about at all. You're not there to show off your game knowledge or educate people on how to play the game, you're there to make their viewing experience more pleasant and entertaining in your own way. | ||
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Saiton
Sweden467 Posts
Also, a sexy voice helps. | ||
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
If you are doing it only to get recognition and fame, you will have a hard time getting it. As you said there already several powerhouses in the caster world that you won't be able to topple only in a few months. You should cast to have fun. The trick is to offer a good quality cast. If you do that more and more people will become aware of your casting. You should find something to give that other casters don't. That will set you apart from all the other people trying to get the caster spotlight. This one is for free: do some recap casts. Sometimes people don't have the time to see tournaments or all the VODs. So you choose some series and do a recap cast where you highlight the best moments. About 2 minutes (or less) are enough to people see what happened in a game and have a sense of all the progress of it. Of course with this you will have to take time to analise the games and editing the parts you want to talk about. You're welcome. | ||
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KainiT
Austria392 Posts
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