EPTBronze level players - Page 8
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MugenXBanksy
United States479 Posts
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On March 08 2012 18:45 Vallz wrote: Step 1 : Find a tactic to carry yourself out of bronze. Preferably some tactic that requires good timing because timing always helps! Step 2 : Reach gold / platinum level Step 3 : Now you have realised it doesn't work 80% time anymore, start to learn play properly. Step 4 : ??????????? Step 5 : Profit That's basically how I reached Masters from Bronze :D It seems silly, but this is true. If you want to get good at the game, it's almost impossible to play straight up vs. bronze players and improve. When I decided that I wanted to get good at SC2, I learned the 7-roach rush as zerg. At the top diamond level I am at right now, it's a pretty shitty build that's easily stopped, but down in the lower leagues it's really good. I did that same exact build non-stop until I reached top gold and then it stopped working so well. From there on, I played straight up normal games and won my fair share of them, even though I'd only done that one build for a while. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
I play custom games every once and a while and will get sub-master and diamond players sometimes. 99.9% of the are just plain god awful. The other 0.1% I assume can either execute the 1 build they do well, or don't have time to ladder consistently. To me, bronze basically doesn't exist. You have to want to be in there, from my point of view. Or be brand spanking new to the game/genre. Not trying to be mean, just my 2 cents. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:44 Janders wrote: Rofl queens do absolutely no damage queens are very good support units in the early and late game but trash at fighting. Check your facts. Queens have roach DPS ground and even better air dps. Prob is they hit 4x2 everysecond, so armor rapes queen dps. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:00 HardlyNever wrote: I honestly don't know how you could stay in bronze without deliberately trying to stay in bronze. Go read Gheed's blogs if you want an idea on how absolutely terrible bronze league is. He worker rushed to the "top" of bronze league for multiple seasons. I play custom games every once and a while and will get sub-master and diamond players sometimes. 99.9% of the are just plain god awful. The other 0.1% I assume can either execute the 1 build they do well, or don't have time to ladder consistently. To me, bronze basically doesn't exist. You have to want to be in there, from my point of view. Or be brand spanking new to the game/genre. Not trying to be mean, just my 2 cents. It just shows the limits of your understanding. It is not really something to boast about... | ||
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Ashakyre
United States99 Posts
Whatever league you're in, enjoy it! | ||
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Grohg
United States243 Posts
If the only thing about the game you want is to have a good time. Bronze is more than capable of giving games that people can enjoy. Just because it's not a Starcraft connoisseur's type of game doesn't prevent it from being a fun way to play. Most people here are playing this game because they want to compete. Whether that is on a lower level or at the highest level, SC2 is built around competition. Being one of those people, it's hard for me to understand the idea of being in bronze and still having fun. That doesn't, however, mean that everyone sees it the same way. In fact, I can't remember a higher game where I saw a mass BC build go up against a mass Carrier build. This weird and unconventional stuff happens in bronze and for some, I guess that could be fun. Unless I'm reading the OP incorrectly, this is what he is learning to enjoy. | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
 .I think people are being a little tough on lower level players in this thread. It's not just a matter of deciding to macro, or deciding to start using a build. You can't just simplify it down to acting like you can improve just by choice, and players are only not succeeding because they chose not do a few easy things. There are players in Bronze who are fully aware of all the standard builds, there are players in diamond who seem to be clueless even to the idea of standard builds. It is not just that simple. What you'll find when you watch games varying across leagues is that people win and lose based on the speed and accuracy of reactions, preparation for what the enemy can do, and remembering goals and necessary things they have to do as the game progresses. These are not things you can just choose to do, or not do. Reaction time, memory, concentration, multi-tasking, and a lot of other things are just easier for certain people, and harder for others. They can be overcome of course, but you have to be understanding that improving from bronze to master may be a lot more difficult for someone else than you. It may seem easy to you to fool around in a master league game and still win, but it is not for others. Be happy with whatever skills you have, and be understanding that others may not have them. They just probably have skills in other things which may not be as directly applicable to this particular video game. | ||
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IrOnKaL
United States340 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:26 Ashakyre wrote: Gold league rocks! There's so much stuff we can get away with that - so I've heard - doesn't work at higher levels, because down in gold everyone's mechanics are so bad. We have so much freedom to experiment. Drop in, nydus out, fuck yeah! You can play any kind of game you want in the lower leagues and still win half the time. Whatever league you're in, enjoy it! I hit high masters and lost all enjoyment of the game  Only enjoyment now is smurfing on friend's account or playing team games. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:44 Janders wrote: Rofl queens do absolutely no damage queens are very good support units in the early and late game but trash at fighting. Twenty or so of them are a lot better than you think. I agree that taking cost into account they're not that great, which is why using them is a stunt that people don't do much in real games, but if you can build up the numbers, they can be effective. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:00 HardlyNever wrote: I honestly don't know how you could stay in bronze without deliberately trying to stay in bronze. Go read Gheed's blogs if you want an idea on how absolutely terrible bronze league is. He worker rushed to the "top" of bronze league for multiple seasons. Knowing how to deal with a worker rush is a pretty specialized micro skill. It's not necessarily a good test of broad game knowledge, though I have read his blog and there is some funny stuff in there. | ||
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1120 Posts
I agree on every part, expect this one: On March 09 2012 10:47 Befree wrote: Reaction time, memory, concentration, multi-tasking, and a lot of other things are just easier for certain people, and harder for others. They can be overcome of course, but you have to be understanding that improving from bronze to master may be a lot more difficult for someone else than you. It may seem easy to you to fool around in a master league game and still win, but it is not for others. I don't think it's easier for some people than for others. It's more a factor of time investment, i believe. Sure, you could say; well, some people learn faster than others. But i could bet my ass off, many of the high league players gaind their skills by time, not by talent. So, the overall game knowledge is very high in every league, but mostly the lack of mechanics, micro and all the nifty stuff is missing. It would be interessting to see a chart on how many hours a player has played on average, for each league. | ||
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TheFlock
United States389 Posts
But I know that the more i practice and try new builds, the better I get overall. And one day, the sky will open, a rush of knowledge with flash across the conscious mind, and finally I will be able to break through and enter the wonderful land of... Gold :D As long as you don't have any illusions about going pro and you can still enjoy the game at the lower leagues, then no reason to get too down on yourself for not being the best | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
I don't want people to accept that they are bronze league if they don't want to. Bronze league players can improve. That is a no brainer. However if someone is satisfied with being in bronze then that's ok too. | ||
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Kerwin
United States220 Posts
Edit: Perhaps the fact that my brother hadn't developed bad habits and was super open to my instruction helped him progress faster. I went the day9 route and literally told him to ignore armies fighting in favor of macroing (because he's terran, not zerg like me  ). When you get better you'll have time to micro, but macro is the base, so that's the first thing to learn even if it means losing games. | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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courtpanda
866 Posts
if you know a single build order, you can win 90% of your games there. composition doesnt matter, as long as you spend all your money, you will win most of your games. composition barely matters, other than ground/air and super hard counters (i.e. marines v tanks) | ||
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EvoStarcraft
United States24 Posts
I often time play in Peepmode Metalopolis and that grants me a challenge and helps me improve my game. Like today for instance I went up against a diamond level player and did fairly well. (I checked his stats after the match to see what his real rank was, it was about mid diamond) but I see Peepmode being used more and more for low ranking players to pickup new strats/builds/timings and even core gameplay mechanics like spreading your overlords as Zerg and such. | ||
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rbx270j
Canada540 Posts
On March 08 2012 21:35 Iranon wrote: Interesting. As someone who bought the game at release, finished a 100% brutal campaign run-through, played about 250 games of 1v1 in Season 1 and 2, and hasn't played since, I'm curious to see how much has changed. I placed into platinum, and stayed in mid-platinum (very few gold or diamond opponents). One of these days I'm going to have to start playing again and see where I stand now... Silver? Gold? Who knows. If you're going to do this, remember that Master's league didn't exist, and that's a factor, too. | ||
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