*Crossfire SE is being removed from the map pool after the Up/downs.
Edit: There seems to be a lot of people bashing HuK saying things like "He doesnt deserve the seed" and "naniwa is better" It would be much appreciated if you could keep any player bashing out of this thread as this is about the up and down matches, not about whether or not players deserve their spots in a competition.
Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
I'm guessing that the burden of travelling to and from Korea for a single match/day is too much for Sen and his team to bear. I can understand the choice.
Oh man those renames -.- I checked every one who should be participating and he was the one that wasnt found by me. But of course it was a rename. Sorry guys
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
On March 07 2012 17:00 Scrandom wrote: Why was HuK seeded?
He finished 3rd at MLG's Winter Arena and he's a highly visible player that brings a lot of interest to the league through his participation. He's also played very well in the past and been one of the most consistent foreigners to play in the GSL. Also he's someone who's committed to staying in Korea so he's a relatively good bet as a player who's not going to forfeit or flake out after a season or two. I feel like they're trying to be a little safer with their picks this time around to try to avoid situations like they had with Sheth/Sjow/Sen.
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
Good call. So, Demuslim and Ret. Any other probables? Naniwa maybe? Trying to think who else would be able to compete for a Code A spot and stand a chance at winning.
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
Good call. So, Demuslim and Ret. Any other probables? Naniwa maybe? Trying to think who else would be able to compete for a Code A spot and stand a chance at winning.
They're two of the foreigners who both have the appeal/exposure that Gom would be looking for and the skill to compete with the players who're in the Up and Downs.
Well, I doubt NaNiWa would forfeit and I don't know of any physical issues for him. Also, I don't know if Gom is over his 7 probe rush yet. The other thing that crosses my mind is that NaNiWa performed really well against some very strong Korean players at MLG which might lead them to believe that he can get it done in Code S, especially given that he was considered for a previous season (provided they are willing to give him a chance). He'd be in the ring for a Code S spot I'd imagine.
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
Good call. So, Demuslim and Ret. Any other probables? Naniwa maybe? Trying to think who else would be able to compete for a Code A spot and stand a chance at winning.
Well, I doubt NaNiWa would forfeit and I don't know of any physical issues for him. Also, I don't know if Gom is over his 7 probe rush yet. The other thing that crosses my mind is that NaNiWa performed really well against some very strong Korean players at MLG which might lead them to believe that he can get it done in Code S, especially given that he was considered for a previous season (provided they are willing to give him a chance).
Didn't GOM say they'd be fine with him trying to get back into Code A the old fashioned way? Plus, he was the second/third highest placing foreigner at MLG Winter Arena (depending on how you view viOlet).
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
Good call. So, Demuslim and Ret. Any other probables? Naniwa maybe? Trying to think who else would be able to compete for a Code A spot and stand a chance at winning.
Well, I doubt NaNiWa would forfeit and I don't know of any physical issues for him. Also, I don't know if Gom is over his 7 probe rush yet. The other thing that crosses my mind is that NaNiWa performed really well against some very strong Korean players at MLG which might lead them to believe that he can get it done in Code S, especially given that he was considered for a previous season (provided they are willing to give him a chance).
Didn't GOM say they'd be fine with him trying to get back into Code A the old fashioned way? Plus, he was the second/third highest placing foreigner at MLG Winter Arena (depending on how you view viOlet).
I know what you mean. I didn't really articulate it too well, but I was trying to say that because I don't think NaNiWa is injured (He commented on Twitter that he would have stepped in as a replacement for a drop out at IEM World Champs if he was asked) and his past performances have been pretty good (barring the 7 probe rush) it leads me to believe that it's not him and that he is either going to go to the qualifiers or he's a possibility for Code S.
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
Good call. So, Demuslim and Ret. Any other probables? Naniwa maybe? Trying to think who else would be able to compete for a Code A spot and stand a chance at winning.
Well, I doubt NaNiWa would forfeit and I don't know of any physical issues for him. Also, I don't know if Gom is over his 7 probe rush yet. The other thing that crosses my mind is that NaNiWa performed really well against some very strong Korean players at MLG which might lead them to believe that he can get it done in Code S, especially given that he was considered for a previous season (provided they are willing to give him a chance).
Didn't GOM say they'd be fine with him trying to get back into Code A the old fashioned way? Plus, he was the second/third highest placing foreigner at MLG Winter Arena (depending on how you view viOlet).
I know what you mean. I didn't really articulate it too well, but I was trying to say that because I don't think NaNiWa is injured (He commented on Twitter that he would have stepped in as a replacement for a drop out at IEM World Champs if he was asked) and his past performances have been pretty good (barring the 7 probe rush) it leads me to believe that it's not him and that he is either going to go to the qualifiers or he's a possibility for Code S.
Naniwa tweeted to Khaldor that he won't be going for the qualifiers
A: Squitle and Keen Squirtle has been looking pretty good recently and Keen is destined to continue his struggle against Nada in code S
B: Leenock and Inca Leenock has trouble against protoss but he should still be able to beat the two in the group. 50/50 vs Ganzi, and I think he can take Sniper. Inca is a reach, but he's.....decent and somehow I feel DTs will save his ass again.
C: theSTC and sC Cause they good
D: Killer and Lucky This group is pretty equal...so I just picked the guys I liked :p
E: Too hard and heartbreaking to pick. Everyone deserves code S
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
Good call. So, Demuslim and Ret. Any other probables? Naniwa maybe? Trying to think who else would be able to compete for a Code A spot and stand a chance at winning.
Well, I doubt NaNiWa would forfeit and I don't know of any physical issues for him. Also, I don't know if Gom is over his 7 probe rush yet. The other thing that crosses my mind is that NaNiWa performed really well against some very strong Korean players at MLG which might lead them to believe that he can get it done in Code S, especially given that he was considered for a previous season (provided they are willing to give him a chance).
Didn't GOM say they'd be fine with him trying to get back into Code A the old fashioned way? Plus, he was the second/third highest placing foreigner at MLG Winter Arena (depending on how you view viOlet).
I know what you mean. I didn't really articulate it too well, but I was trying to say that because I don't think NaNiWa is injured (He commented on Twitter that he would have stepped in as a replacement for a drop out at IEM World Champs if he was asked) and his past performances have been pretty good (barring the 7 probe rush) it leads me to believe that it's not him and that he is either going to go to the qualifiers or he's a possibility for Code S.
Naniwa tweeted to Khaldor that he won't be going for the qualifiers
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sC is still listed. triple * for injury is listed as a seed. wasn't demuslim supposed to get a up and down seed? did he hurt himself again?
I should read everything before I react >.>....
And as far as I know, watching Demuslim's stream whenever its up, he doesn't appear hurt*. But I think this was supposed to be his "up and down" season but he was supposed to be in Korea first for that. Hmm, knowing that, maybe it was his spot afterall.
*That said, Abbe did bump his arm with a chair and he told her to be careful, so maybe it is acting up?
It could be illness related rather than a physical injury and the language used in the release is simply a little inaccurate. Ret is pretty ill at the moment and he withdrew from the IEM World Championship at CeBIT. Meanwhile, DeMusliM was saying on stream (last weekend I think) that he went to the doctor and that he was not feeling well. He went on to say that he possibly had a chest infection, which would not be something you'd like to travel too far with. Just a couple of other possibilities.
Good call. So, Demuslim and Ret. Any other probables? Naniwa maybe? Trying to think who else would be able to compete for a Code A spot and stand a chance at winning.
Well, I doubt NaNiWa would forfeit and I don't know of any physical issues for him. Also, I don't know if Gom is over his 7 probe rush yet. The other thing that crosses my mind is that NaNiWa performed really well against some very strong Korean players at MLG which might lead them to believe that he can get it done in Code S, especially given that he was considered for a previous season (provided they are willing to give him a chance).
Didn't GOM say they'd be fine with him trying to get back into Code A the old fashioned way? Plus, he was the second/third highest placing foreigner at MLG Winter Arena (depending on how you view viOlet).
I know what you mean. I didn't really articulate it too well, but I was trying to say that because I don't think NaNiWa is injured (He commented on Twitter that he would have stepped in as a replacement for a drop out at IEM World Champs if he was asked) and his past performances have been pretty good (barring the 7 probe rush) it leads me to believe that it's not him and that he is either going to go to the qualifiers or he's a possibility for Code S.
Naniwa tweeted to Khaldor that he won't be going for the qualifiers
Well spotted. I didn't see those tweets.
Yeah, when I saw the tweet, I suspected he may have gotten a seed. Hope it's the Code S one though. I figure GOM will try their best to replace the 2 players (Sen + 2nd seed). It's kinda sad though how they never seem to have enough players to fit their seeding quota. I mean if they opened it up to Koreans who perform well overseas, then Puma and Violet are really good picks as well.
EDIT: Polt without a doubt will get 1 of the Code S seeds. If he doesn't, my brain will explode.
On March 07 2012 17:53 ePLocust wrote: Apparently HuK isn't happy with his seed. If you look at his twitter you can see. https://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris
On March 07 2012 17:53 ePLocust wrote: Apparently HuK isn't happy with his seed. If you look at his twitter you can see. https://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris
My bet is he wanted a Code S seed
Hope not. Think he wants to earn his way back in like Jinro.
On March 07 2012 17:53 ePLocust wrote: Apparently HuK isn't happy with his seed. If you look at his twitter you can see. https://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris
My bet is he wanted a Code S seed
Hope not. Think he wants to earn his way back in like Jinro.
I'd be impressed with his dedication if this were the case, especially with how he dropped out in such spectacular fashion (straight from S to B).
Can he reject the seed and still go through qualifiers though?
I doubt GOM would allow it; they know Huk, as their only competitive foreigner, brings in viewers, so it makes sense to put him in the Up/Downs immediately.
On March 07 2012 17:53 ePLocust wrote: Apparently HuK isn't happy with his seed. If you look at his twitter you can see. https://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris
My bet is he wanted a Code S seed
Hope not. Think he wants to earn his way back in like Jinro.
I'd be impressed with his dedication if this were the case, especially with how he dropped out in such spectacular fashion (straight from S to B).
Can he reject the seed and still go through qualifiers though?
I doubt GOM would allow it; they know Huk, as their only competitive foreigner, brings in viewers, so it makes sense to put him in the Up/Downs immediately.
Surely no one can force him to play if he doesn't want to. Interesting that you guys interpret his tweet as he wants to earn it ala Jinro style, because I totally thought he was being ungrateful about the Up/Down seed.
Huk has to accept the seed because its his job to represent his sponsors. From his tweets it seems as if he really does not want to get into the GSL for free, but rather earn it.
The people who are saying.. yeah GOM only chose huk because he is a foreigner and he is already known through out the community.. kidding me? have people ever thought of there are NO and i mean NO other foreigners that are even in korea? Who are they suppose to give it to TriMaster? drewbie? destiny? Huk is the most reasonable and respectful player in the foreign scene to represent the Foreigners.
What is up with foreigners, you're in the most prestigous SC2 tournament and you forfeit? Sjow/Sheth/Sen/Select all forfeited while they still had a guaranteed Code A spot for next season
On March 07 2012 18:12 Zeroxk wrote: What is up with foreigners, you're in the most prestigous SC2 tournament and you forfeit? Sjow/Sheth/Sen/Select all forfeited while they still had a guaranteed Code A spot for next season
GSL season last forever now, the prize is very top heavy and international tournament season is starting...
On March 07 2012 18:12 mrRoflpwn wrote: Huk has to accept the seed because its his job to represent his sponsors. From his tweets it seems as if he really does not want to get into the GSL for free, but rather earn it.
Jinro turned down a seed in the past. If huk didn't want it, he could have declined.
HuK was seeded? I'm a big fan of his and he deserves it imo so that's cool, but I would have liked him to go through the qualifiers for a change, even if it's hard as hell :/ Well good luck to him in the U&D nonetheless, looking forward to seeing him in Code S.
Edit: And as per usual, he doesn't have a tough group compared to the rest, biggest challenge will be Fin and Lucky. You better make it biatch!
Yeah, I think it's reasonable to think so. Naniwa all giddy on twitter and no real alternative if GOM wants to seed another foreigner into code S. Could ret be the injured player? Or, it could have been meant for idra, who has quite clearly injured his skill-bone.
On March 07 2012 18:12 mrRoflpwn wrote: Huk has to accept the seed because its his job to represent his sponsors. From his tweets it seems as if he really does not want to get into the GSL for free, but rather earn it.
Jinro turned down a seed in the past. If huk didn't want it, he could have declined.
On March 07 2012 17:53 ePLocust wrote: Apparently HuK isn't happy with his seed. If you look at his twitter you can see. https://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris
My bet is he wanted a Code S seed
Hope not. Think he wants to earn his way back in like Jinro.
I'd be impressed with his dedication if this were the case, especially with how he dropped out in such spectacular fashion (straight from S to B).
Can he reject the seed and still go through qualifiers though?
I doubt GOM would allow it; they know Huk, as their only competitive foreigner, brings in viewers, so it makes sense to put him in the Up/Downs immediately.
Surely no one can force him to play if he doesn't want to. Interesting that you guys interpret his tweet as he wants to earn it ala Jinro style, because I totally thought he was being ungrateful about the Up/Down seed.
It is possible that he has to accept due to being obligated to represent his sponsors.
On March 07 2012 18:58 THM wrote: I find it funny how no one thinks ForGG will crush faces.
the elephants been overshadowed by foreigners
I find it funny how some people still think he's gonna destroy everyone in the GSL, after failing to go through Ro32 last season. Most overhyped player imo
On March 07 2012 18:58 THM wrote: I find it funny how no one thinks ForGG will crush faces.
the elephants been overshadowed by foreigners
I find it funny how some people still think he's gonna destroy everyone in the GSL, after failing to go through Ro32 last season. Most overhyped player imo
to be fair, leenock and supernova are two of the better ZvT and TvTs in the world
On March 07 2012 18:58 THM wrote: I find it funny how no one thinks ForGG will crush faces.
the elephants been overshadowed by foreigners
I find it funny how some people still think he's gonna destroy everyone in the GSL, after failing to go through Ro32 last season. Most overhyped player imo
to be fair, leenock and supernova are two of the better ZvT and TvTs in the world
Even though Leenock got crushed in the same group and Supernova didn't win a game in the Round of 16....
ForGG gets crazy support and he hasn't even faced a true monster yet like DRG or MVP
Yes I would say 90% chance this means Naniwa is to be placed right into Code S. Makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Naniwa and Nestea are alright with each other now it seems and GOM knows that Naniwa would get them viewers, which is why the Code S seeds are there.
HuK says he doesn't want it on twitter but doesn't decline it? Rather hypocritical...
Really sad to see Sen forfeit his spot as he's the only foreigner in the GSL at the moment on merit, at least he'll still be in Coda A next season. I wonder who the second seed will be...
On March 07 2012 19:18 MVTaylor wrote: HuK says he doesn't want it on twitter but doesn't decline it? Rather hypocritical...
Really sad to see Sen forfeit his spot as he's the only foreigner in the GSL at the moment on merit, at least he'll still be in Coda A next season. I wonder who the second seed will be...
Yeah, either decline it or don't. Don't complain about it but still accept it.
On March 07 2012 19:18 MVTaylor wrote: HuK says he doesn't want it on twitter but doesn't decline it? Rather hypocritical...
Really sad to see Sen forfeit his spot as he's the only foreigner in the GSL at the moment on merit, at least he'll still be in Coda A next season. I wonder who the second seed will be...
Yeah, either decline it or don't. Don't complain about it but still accept it.
On March 07 2012 17:53 ePLocust wrote: Apparently HuK isn't happy with his seed. If you look at his twitter you can see. https://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris
how many times did foreigners forfeit the next season? if you are not gonna commit to the league then dont accept the seed at the 1st place. Thats laughable.
Imo supernova and creator are a few levels above everyone else in group E, not sure why everyone is hyping it so hard. I mean I do, I love the old school BW champs as well, but I just don't see them coming out of that group alive.
Actually, the up and down seeds are specifically for foreigners until the S seed which can go to Koreans whom have done well in foreign tournaments. Since HuK got 3 rd in MLG arena, he was a very logical choice.
I'm sad the group aren't balanced at all. My predictions though : A :Keen Yugioh (yugioh always crushes his up/down group and fail in ro32 code s somehow) B :Leenock GanZi (YOU SHALL NOT PASS Inca) C :sC TheStC D :ForGG Lucky (HuK despite his run in MLG hasn't looked like a code s player recently imo) E :SuperNoVa July (Creator is good but too predictable)
Bah why do all foreigners just go over there to crush someone's dream and then just get out in the next season, I just don't get it... A player is really trying to make it in the GSL only to be eliminated by some foreigner using the GSL as something to do other than just practice :/ Need some real long term foreigner contenders please
On March 07 2012 22:22 Fionn wrote: Well, the two Code S seeds should be Naniwa/Polt. No real debate there now with Huk getting the Up-and-Down seed.
I wonder why they would pick Naniwa over Huk for Code S tho, the only results Naniwa has had as of late was in MLG Winter Arena where Huk placed much better. I'm thinking PuMa and Polt are more likely. Of course, IEM results could change that...
On March 07 2012 22:22 Fionn wrote: Well, the two Code S seeds should be Naniwa/Polt. No real debate there now with Huk getting the Up-and-Down seed.
I wonder why they would pick Naniwa over Huk for Code S tho, the only results Naniwa has had as of late was in MLG Winter Arena where Huk placed much better. I'm thinking PuMa and Polt are more likely. Of course, IEM results could change that...
Huk didnt place much better and actually his performance at MLG was worse. They both lost to MKP+DRG, Naniwa beat better players. Huk just was in Code S. I think thats a reason, too. Huk is even not happy they gave him up/down spot.
On March 07 2012 18:58 THM wrote: I find it funny how no one thinks ForGG will crush faces.
the elephants been overshadowed by foreigners
I find it funny how some people still think he's gonna destroy everyone in the GSL, after failing to go through Ro32 last season. Most overhyped player imo
He lost to the 3rd best Zerg and the #1 Protoss in the world in probably the 2nd hardest group in Code S Ro32. You can't really say a player is bad because he lost to those players.
On March 07 2012 22:22 Fionn wrote: Well, the two Code S seeds should be Naniwa/Polt. No real debate there now with Huk getting the Up-and-Down seed.
I agree based on merit and availability to play in Korea.
It makes sense for the Up/Down Seeds to go to only foreigners, but Code S seeds really need to be based on merit in foreign tournaments otherwise they'll just lose first round in bad games.
On March 08 2012 00:18 careohx wrote: Also no foreigner in CodeS will cost GOMTV quite some money imo.
Putting in a foreigner to lose 0-4 in Ro32 is something they want to avoid. The only foreigners worth seeding into Code S are Naniwa, who has some bad history with GSL, and Stephano, who doesn't want to play GSL.
On March 07 2012 19:18 MVTaylor wrote: HuK says he doesn't want it on twitter but doesn't decline it? Rather hypocritical...
Really sad to see Sen forfeit his spot as he's the only foreigner in the GSL at the moment on merit, at least he'll still be in Coda A next season. I wonder who the second seed will be...
Yeah, either decline it or don't. Don't complain about it but still accept it.
I would think EG told him to accept
I interpreted it as Huk being disappointed that he didn't receive a Code S seed, not that he didn't want to be seeded at all. He could decline if he wanted to, but he didn't. No way EG forced Huk to take a seed.
Edit: Seems to me Huk wanted the foreigner Code S seed, which seems to be going to Naniwa. Because he placed high in Winter Arena and Naniwa hasn't really done much to earn this spot, other than annoy Nestea a couple times
On March 08 2012 00:18 careohx wrote: Also no foreigner in CodeS will cost GOMTV quite some money imo.
Putting in a foreigner to lose 0-4 in Ro32 is something they want to avoid. The only foreigners worth seeding into Code S are Naniwa, who has some bad history with GSL, and Stephano, who doesn't want to play GSL.
Ultimately, GOM gets more viewers from even an 0-4 Ro32 for a foreigner than for an average Korean player.
I still personally don't like seeds, but it makes sense for GOM.
progamers go where they make the most money. thats why sen left. he knows he cant really compete with code s players and being in code a and staying in korea is not very profittable at all.
On March 08 2012 01:33 farnham wrote: boxers group looks scary
hope he will qualify
At least there is 1 less player in the group. I guess it is not too bad, as Boxer does have pretty strong TvT. Creator is going to be a huge challenge, and I don't know who would be favored, Boxer or July. I'd like to see both these BW legends make it in Code S frankly.
On March 08 2012 00:50 raf3776 wrote: I think its just Huks pride that he didnt wanna get seeded. Makes sense just like jinro and haypro dont want to get seeded
Maybe I'm wrong but judging by his tweets, it sounds more like he wanted to be seeded straight back into Code S.
On March 08 2012 00:50 raf3776 wrote: I think its just Huks pride that he didnt wanna get seeded. Makes sense just like jinro and haypro dont want to get seeded
Maybe I'm wrong but judging by his tweets, it sounds more like he wanted to be seeded straight back into Code S.
I interpreted it as if he didn't want to play at all
On March 08 2012 02:34 Eire_91 wrote: I want CoCa back in Code S
:D Me too.
and Sen probably just didn't feel like he could stand up to the competition. It's not worth the time if you don't even think you can beat most code A players.
On March 08 2012 02:34 Eire_91 wrote: I want CoCa back in Code S
:D Me too.
and Sen probably just didn't feel like he could stand up to the competition. It's not worth the time if you don't even think you can beat most code A players.
That, or since it's "Tournament Season" once again, and GSL is a 2 month tournament now (if you get deep) some people would rather keep their options open so that they can attend more foreigner tournaments with a better chance at getting paid (since the GSL is, as someone else pointed out, real top heavy with prize money).
Group A Keen, Squirtle Group B Leenock, GanZi Group C Maru, JYP (Second one is pretty hard) Group D Anyone could advance here really Group E Happy, Creator
On March 08 2012 02:56 r0nd0d wrote: Group A is the biggest joke of a group ever. Does anyone know how these groups are selected?
BboongBboong is Prime's Ace (yes, over MarineKing) and it's a wonder that he's not already Code S, YuGiOh and Keen have been in or around Code S for a while (Keen even got to the quarter finals once), Squirtle has been doing well everywhere but GSL for ages and Heart has dominated Playhem for ages and is at least worthy of a shot - heck, he even beat Bomber to get to the Up and Downs.
It's not the strongest group but it's by no means a joke. Just because these guys don't have the biggest names doesn't mean you can show them no respect - any one of them could get out of any other group, just like every player in these Up and Downs.
Naniwa in Code S? I am so happy if so. I really want to see him in GSL where you have to prepare for games. I think the foreign domination is about to start.
We need stephano up there and we are complete for the moment. Sen/idra/Huk was more of show than a real foreign competition imo.
On March 08 2012 03:17 ceaRshaf wrote: Naniwa in Code S? I am so happy if so. I really want to see him in GSL where you have to prepare for games. I think the foreign domination is about to start.
We need stephano up there and we are complete for the moment. Sen/idra/Huk was more of show than a real foreign competition imo.
I would not get my hopes up to quickly. he may just not be playing at all. Also, this is not an official post. Its likely that only few people will actually try to qualify.
Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Don't assume what the Code S seeds are going to be prematurely.
Solid predictions, nothing more to add from my side. But I doubt that Naniwa will get a Code S seed, he does not have outstanding tournament results lately that are required to obtain it. In fact, if you go after the tournament results, I'd say Huk deserves the seed (as Top3 and highest non-Code S finisher).
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Yeah, I wanna see Jinro back in his pride again also. =/
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
People need to stop shitting all over HuK. On my interpretation of his tweets, HuK may very well want to earn his own way (he is the only foreigner to qualify for Code S through Code A, and many many foreigners have been given Code A slots). HuK, however is now on a (how should I say) more money-based team that is likely pressuring him to accept the seed even if he doesn't think he should. Jinro is on a team that is more likely to let him make his own decision.
Squirtle and either keen or yugioh depending on their play Inca and Leenock Alicia and TheStC Killer and ForGG, tho Huk has a chance, this is the lowest group imo Creator and Supernova, rooting for Boxer but this group is the hardest imo.
Well, hopefully this will show us if ForGG is the next big thing or just an overhyped player. I think Huk's spot is a waste, I don't see him making it out of his group at all. It would have been much better spent on Naniwa, Stephano, Demuslim or Ret (assuming none of those are the injured one).
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Wrong! Huk is actually the only player from the foreigners that qualified for Code S on his OWN through his Code A performance couple of seasons back, so please get informed before trashing on one of the best players outside of korea. And also Huk is in team EG, he couldnt refuse the spot even if he wanted to.
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Wrong! Huk is actually the only player from the foreigners that qualified for Code S on his OWN through his Code A performance couple of seasons back, so please get informed before trashing on one of the best players outside of korea. And also Huk is in team EG, he couldnt refuse the spot even if he wanted to.
Qualifiers = code a qualifiers, huk never got through them he was given the spot on code a....
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Wrong! Huk is actually the only player from the foreigners that qualified for Code S on his OWN through his Code A performance couple of seasons back, so please get informed before trashing on one of the best players outside of korea. And also Huk is in team EG, he couldnt refuse the spot even if he wanted to.
Nobody talked about free Code S - Huk got seeded into Code A for March, and from that seed he got Code S (won two Code A matches and lost to Inca (?) and then beat Choya to get through). He has never gotten through the qualifiers, that statement is 100% correct.
Don't get all haughty and try to correct people when you're actually wrong yourself. ;]
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Wrong! Huk is actually the only player from the foreigners that qualified for Code S on his OWN through his Code A performance couple of seasons back, so please get informed before trashing on one of the best players outside of korea. And also Huk is in team EG, he couldnt refuse the spot even if he wanted to.
Qualifiers = code a qualifiers, huk never got through them he was given the spot on code a....
l2read. he said that he qualified for CODE S. Which he did, You qualified for Code S if your run in code a was good enough...
why don't they fill the other vacant spots? is it more unfair to replace with a random player rather than having less pool competition? it doesn't make sense
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Wrong! Huk is actually the only player from the foreigners that qualified for Code S on his OWN through his Code A performance couple of seasons back, so please get informed before trashing on one of the best players outside of korea. And also Huk is in team EG, he couldnt refuse the spot even if he wanted to.
Qualifiers = code a qualifiers, huk never got through them he was given the spot on code a....
l2read. he said that he qualified for CODE S. Which he did, You qualified for Code S if your run in code a was good enough...
l2read. Kompicek is correct in his statement but wrong in his response because shakka is talking about code a qualifiers not qualifying for code S. Kompicek misread shakka's post.
On March 08 2012 04:26 ShakkaFL wrote: Huk must be only player that has never even gotten past the qualifiers, what a joke. That is also why i respect Jinro alot even if he doesn't do as well lately, he wont accept a freebie unless he earns it.
Wrong! Huk is actually the only player from the foreigners that qualified for Code S on his OWN through his Code A performance couple of seasons back, so please get informed before trashing on one of the best players outside of korea. And also Huk is in team EG, he couldnt refuse the spot even if he wanted to.
Qualifiers = code a qualifiers, huk never got through them he was given the spot on code a....
l2read. he said that he qualified for CODE S. Which he did, You qualified for Code S if your run in code a was good enough...
wouldnt he be the one who cant read, when i said qualifiers... doesnt change my point tho.
On March 07 2012 18:12 Zeroxk wrote: What is up with foreigners, you're in the most prestigous SC2 tournament and you forfeit? Sjow/Sheth/Sen/Select all forfeited while they still had a guaranteed Code A spot for next season
SeleCT didn't forfeit. IIRC he was eliminated by Tassadar Ro32.
I hope coL.Heart makes it through. All the groups look really tough, but I guess that is to be expected as it is qualifiers to the best tournament in the world.
I'm assuming HuK got a seed through MLG Winter Arena? Despite that, it seems kind of lame considering he very fairly fell out of Code A just this season...
On March 07 2012 18:12 Zeroxk wrote: What is up with foreigners, you're in the most prestigous SC2 tournament and you forfeit? Sjow/Sheth/Sen/Select all forfeited while they still had a guaranteed Code A spot for next season
SeleCT didn't forfeit. IIRC he was eliminated by Tassadar Ro32.
Correct. Select played in both seasons he was eligible. He defeated Alicia in his first code a run and lost in the next round. Then he came back next season and lost to Tassadar in the first round
On March 08 2012 06:09 Leifish wrote: I'm assuming HuK got a seed through MLG Winter Arena? Despite that, it seems kind of lame considering he very fairly fell out of Code A just this season...
MC and MMA got Code S seeds the season after they were knocked out of Code A
Don't assume what the Code S seeds are going to be prematurely.
Solid predictions, nothing more to add from my side. But I doubt that Naniwa will get a Code S seed, he does not have outstanding tournament results lately that are required to obtain it. In fact, if you go after the tournament results, I'd say Huk deserves the seed (as Top3 and highest non-Code S finisher).
Look at the bracket for Winter Arena and tell me that Huk did any better than Naniwa. Naniwa lost to the same players and beat more Code S Koreans on the way there.
A 3rd place finish doesn't mean very much in a double elimination bracket.
On March 08 2012 06:07 Leifish wrote: Polt's going to get that Code S seed. I kind of hope Puma does too.
I don't want to be a killjoy here, and I do think Polt is deserving of a seed. However, Hero and Puma should have gotten seeds last season over Sen and Idra. Because of precedent, Polt is not certain to get the seed. We need to be careful not to get our hopes up.
On March 08 2012 08:38 SenorChang wrote: Really tired of foreigners giving up their seeds and then having the spot empty too :S
Well let's flip the scenario for perspective. Let's say that there was a major foreign tournament that ran over the course of 2 months and required players to be live in attendance to play. How many Koreans would stay abroad to play in it?
I guess the culture shock, and difficulty in participating in foreign tournaments (either due to travel costs, lag or adverse timezones) for the duration of their tournament run discourages many foreigners. Sen does have it much much better than most, as Taiwan is relatively close, but I guess that he wants to focus on the TeSL.
Yes, it is disappointing, but I don't know their exact situation and how they have dealt with living in a foreign land, so I guess I can understand why many end up leaving.
They created this rules to be a Global Starcraft League like their name. If they decide to give a spot to foreigners what's wrong with that?
Don't you like the invites the Koreans are given in all foreign tournaments? They even pay for trips and acommodation and now it's wrong for GSL to give a spot or two? It's not like GSL pays for anything or the flights. Man this type of talk bothers me.
The koreans are given everything and HuK that is more then proven GSL material and sacrifices alot to be in Korea can't compete because it's free? Why should Polt be given a spot then? Maybe then gave it to stephano and he said no, why shouldn't the best foreigner that is in Korea accept it?
Maybe they should make a tournament for all the foreigners and the winner takes the spot but i don't think it's fair that GSL doesn't do a effort to allow a foreigner to participate, it helps and improves the scene in various ways and it keeps things interesting and fresh for better viewship.
My point in the end it's harder on foreigners to travel to another country for months then a Korean flying in for some days. For some it might be considered a previledge but for young guys playing a game for money it must be hard.
GOMTV should change their format how they do it currently. Here is my humble try:
1. Make it that TOP32 (or TOP16) players but only 3-4 day event max
2. Qualifiers to that tournament runs at Weekly at GOMTV where half spots are given (runs 1½-2 months).
3. Rest are invites where majority is top foreigners and rest is top koreans.
Pros: - Foreigners are more willing to participate when its only few days rather than months - GOMTV can focus more on team leagues - Frees up koreans for foreign tournaments (less schedule conflicts) - No more Code A
Cons: - GSL loses ratings due to people not bother watching qualifiers instead watches main event - No more Code A
Group A is pretty weak. I think Keen is the best player there. 2nd Spot can literally go to anyone there. Heart should probably be last. I'll go with Squirtle since he's Protoss and Protoss is strong right now though YuGiOh and BBoongBBoong are probably better.
Group B has 2 clear favourites in Leenock and Ganzi. But both their weakest matchup is vs. Protoss and Ace and Inca are pretty good. I still think Leenock and Ganzi advance but don't surprised if Inca advances over Ganzi.
Group C is a sad group for JYP. 3 terrans means he has no shot. TheSTC and SC are code S level players and should advance.
Group D is very tough. Every player here has been Code S at one point or another. I think Fin should advance. Watching his stream lately and he's a lot better. I think second spot is between Lucky and Huk. I'll predict Lucky since I think he's better right now.
Group E is insane as I think they are all Code S calibre except for July. Supernova is the best player there so he should advance. Second place is between Happy and Creator. I'll predict Creator since I think he'll beat Happy's crappy TvP and have the tiebreaker.
Hope this means that Polt and Naniwa are the Code S seeds.
On March 08 2012 09:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote: GOMTV should change their format how they do it currently. Here is my humble try:
1. Make it that TOP32 (or TOP16) players but only 3-4 day event max
2. Qualifiers to that tournament runs at Weekly at GOMTV where half spots are given (runs 1½-2 months).
3. Rest are invites where majority is top foreigners and rest is top koreans.
Pros: - Foreigners are more willing to participate when its only few days rather than months - GOMTV can focus more on team leagues - Frees up koreans for foreign tournaments (less schedule conflicts) - No more Code A
Cons: - GSL loses ratings due to people not bother watching qualifiers instead watches main event - No more Code A
MLG is not on korea , one of the things i love of the GSL is the grind necessary to play it , and beeing a long format ! Stop with the crack ..
On March 08 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ridiculous to give seeds to people who just failed out.
I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well.
On March 08 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ridiculous to give seeds to people who just failed out.
I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well.
Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round).
On March 08 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ridiculous to give seeds to people who just failed out.
I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well.
Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round).
Exactly. I don't know why people are making such a big fuss over huk getting an up and down seed. He's not being seeded directly into code S or anything.
Hypothetical: Let's pretend the MLG/GSL exchange program still existed. Huk placed in the top 3. Ahead of him were DRG and Marineking. Last year, this would have earned Huk a code S seed. He's not even getting a seed that high. People were fine when MC and MMA got their Code S seeds from MLG performance. I don't see how this is any different
On March 08 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ridiculous to give seeds to people who just failed out.
I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well.
Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round).
MMA and MCs seed were different as MLG and GSL established a system to get seeding into Code S that was very clear. Now it is much more ambiguous in that they invite you if they want to and they think your deserve it.
On March 08 2012 09:03 shell wrote: What's wrong with the seed?
They created this rules to be a Global Starcraft League like their name. If they decide to give a spot to foreigners what's wrong with that?
Don't you like the invites the Koreans are given in all foreign tournaments? They even pay for trips and acommodation and now it's wrong for GSL to give a spot or two? It's not like GSL pays for anything or the flights. Man this type of talk bothers me.
The koreans are given everything and HuK that is more then proven GSL material and sacrifices alot to be in Korea can't compete because it's free? Why should Polt be given a spot then? Maybe then gave it to stephano and he said no, why shouldn't the best foreigner that is in Korea accept it?
Maybe they should make a tournament for all the foreigners and the winner takes the spot but i don't think it's fair that GSL doesn't do a effort to allow a foreigner to participate, it helps and improves the scene in various ways and it keeps things interesting and fresh for better viewship.
My point in the end it's harder on foreigners to travel to another country for months then a Korean flying in for some days. For some it might be considered a previledge but for young guys playing a game for money it must be hard.
First of all names are not everything. Just because the GSL is called the GLOBAL starleague, doesn't mean that they have to be global. Look at the NASL: the NORTH AMERICAN starleague turns into a mostly Korean tournament.
Second, your statement that GSL doesn't pay for anything is just plain wrong. Foreigners that come to Korea get to stay at a practice house financed by GOM.
Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated.
Fourth, Gom seeds are for foreigners who make the hard trek to Korea; that is true. However, Huk LIVES in Korea and has been living there for an extended period of time. If anything, he's probably more used to Korea at this point than any other country. Only his first seed is justified to help him get acclimated and incentivize his coming. However, future seeds, especially after he just dropped out, is pointless.
Fifth, if you haven't noticed, when a Korean goes to a foreign tournament, they aren't seeded directly into the second round, other than MLG last season. In MLG's case its to prevent Koreans from dominating the open brackets and discourage up and coming players from trying to get through. In every other instance, Koreans start on the same ground as every other player. In GSL code A is NOT the first round; the QUALIFIERS are. You shouldn't get seeded into Code A just because your a foreigner. If you fail the FIRST time, you should not be given a second chance, especially if your going to stay there for the forseeable future.
Lastly, you argue as if the system is fair. It is absolutely not fair, especially from a competitor's standpoint. Its not fair to the Koreans. What Gom is doing is a business decision. From that standpoint it's reasonable. However from a fairness standpoint, it will never be fair.
On March 08 2012 09:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote: GOMTV should change their format how they do it currently. Here is my humble try:
1. Make it that TOP32 (or TOP16) players but only 3-4 day event max
2. Qualifiers to that tournament runs at Weekly at GOMTV where half spots are given (runs 1½-2 months).
3. Rest are invites where majority is top foreigners and rest is top koreans.
Pros: - Foreigners are more willing to participate when its only few days rather than months - GOMTV can focus more on team leagues - Frees up koreans for foreign tournaments (less schedule conflicts) - No more Code A
Cons: - GSL loses ratings due to people not bother watching qualifiers instead watches main event - No more Code A
What you fail to consider is that the GSL is on television in Korea... their format is simply better for TV and there is almost no counter-argument. With your format we'd be losing out on tons of tons of games, of the games that are played we wouldn't be able to watch them. It makes sense for them to spread out their league and have expanded Code A.
On March 08 2012 11:47 Leifish wrote: Let's be honest here, Huk kind of lucked his way into that 3rd place thanks to Minigun, Socke, Ret, and an incredibly lucky series against Oz.
Really? Beating Ret and Oz is 'lucked his way'. Ret is at the very least Code A level, based on recent performances. Guy consistently performs in team leagues and beat MVP in straight up games, and PvP might be luck based, but he beat Oz and consistently beats Code S protoss (at least enough to suggest he is on par in PvP). Give me a break. The guy did really well in the GSL up until the last season, probably the best a foreigner has ever done consistently, with the exception being Jinro's back to back Ro4 run. Up and Down is the perfect stage for him to showcase where he stands. If he wins enough games, he proves he is Code S level all along. If he is bad like some people think, he will get knocked out and lose his Code A game. Either way, nobody loses... he isn't taking a Code S spot unless he deserves it (unlike IdrA/Sen in last GSL), and he deserves it way more than they did.
On March 08 2012 11:47 Leifish wrote: Let's be honest here, Huk kind of lucked his way into that 3rd place thanks to Minigun, Socke, Ret, and an incredibly lucky series against Oz.
In the end though, it is all about results. And I'm tired of people attributing Huk's 2-0 win over Oz as simply luck. Beating a top PvP player twice, and people give him no credit. The Huk hate is really starting to get annoying.
It's like saying that MMA's GSL October victory is invalid because he did barely advance from his Ro32 group (2nd), barely beat asd in the Ro16 (2-1), barely beat Clide in the Ro8 (3-2), simply got lucky against Happy in the semis. And of course, he only beat MVP because MVP was tired from a day of competing at Blizzcon.
He got 3rd place at a major tournament. He got an Up and Down seed. Based off of precedence with the MLG seeds, there isn't really anything unfair about this.
Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated.
This doesn't mean Polt isn't going to get a Seed. Korean players are still eligible for the direct Code S seed which Polt deserves more than an up and down seed when both options are laid out
On March 08 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ridiculous to give seeds to people who just failed out.
I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well.
Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round).
MMA and MCs seed were different as MLG and GSL established a system to get seeding into Code S that was very clear. Now it is much more ambiguous in that they invite you if they want to and they think your deserve it.
Exactly. MMA and MC qualified for the seed. GOM had to give it. That doesnt apply to Huk.
On March 08 2012 13:37 Azzur wrote: One thing I don't understand is why GOM didn't fill in the missing players. They could run some kind of wildcard tournament or give out seeds.
Because the don't really need to. The seeds are just optional, so I don't see the need to make an extra effort. There are enough people in those groups who deserve to be in Code S, so adding a couple with some random tournament is not going to change much imo.
Stop bashing Huk you morons. Huk deserved the seed and he got it, and if he doesn't deserve it then he'll lose and be knocked out again, so there's nothing to whine about.
I hope brown makes it past group D. he's gonna have tough matches against killer (knocked him out of code a, but not a really formidable pvp opponent), lucky (who's zvp is yet to be tested on a really spectacular protoss as of yet), fin (who's not the monster we all thought he was), and huk (who has really good pvp in general). Brown has shown amazing potential last season in code a, and his pvt against alive (played some of the best pvt I've seen, even though he lost). His pvp is kinda shaky though, i guess he will definitely be put to the test against huk and killer.
I wish GOM would replace the missing players. They don't even need to be foreigners. Hold a special online tournament for the spots or something.
It just seems unfair that some players only have to be top 40% rather than top 33% to advance to Code S, and it isn't like there is a lack or willing players...
On March 08 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ridiculous to give seeds to people who just failed out.
I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well.
Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round).
MMA and MCs seed were different as MLG and GSL established a system to get seeding into Code S that was very clear. Now it is much more ambiguous in that they invite you if they want to and they think your deserve it.
Exactly. MMA and MC qualified for the seed. GOM had to give it. That doesnt apply to Huk.
Yes, and now GOM did give Huk the seed. I was arguing that Huk was not an undeserving recipient of the seed, not that GOM had to give Huk and only Huk the seed.
On March 08 2012 14:00 Trsjnica wrote: I wish GOM would replace the missing players. They don't even need to be foreigners. Hold a special online tournament for the spots or something.
It just seems unfair that some players only have to be top 40% rather than top 33% to advance to Code S, and it isn't like there is a lack or willing players...
You could be unlucky and get the toughest 5-group ever, or lucky and get an easy 6-group. Together with arbitrary seeds, I think it is pointless to talk about fairness.
huk is not undeserving, but I think it is still wrong to give him a seed. top koreans are not undeserving either, but did for example bomber get a seed? or polt? these double standards piss me off.
On March 08 2012 14:13 chrissummers wrote: huk is not undeserving, but I think it is still wrong to give him a seed. top koreans are not undeserving either, but did for example bomber get a seed? or polt? these double standards piss me off.
I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
That was Core.
Creator is probably the next big Protoss star.
Funnily Creator wasn't even in the teamhouse since he was the webmaster, but he ended up qualifying for code A and became a beast
While I am a HuK supporter, I'm surprised he got the seed. It's up to him to make the most of it though. For those arguing that NaNiwa should have gotten the seed, had he not probe rushed against Nestea I'm sure he would of gotten it.
HuK was seeded to up and downs because he's one of the most popular and talented foreign players, so it's mostly a marketing move.
If his skill isn't up to it he'll bounce back into Code A, so whatever.
It's too bad that they don't have the same criteria with even more skilled players because they aren't as popular, but oh well. I guess everything will reach some sort of order at the end anyways.
Poor BoxeR and his group of death, too. Maybe he can pull his psychological pressure superpowers onto Happy, Supernova and Creator and make them gg 2 minutes into the game.
On March 07 2012 21:11 tapk69 wrote: So naniwa gone ? Idra gone ? wtf..
You are...surprised that Idra is gone? Did he even win a game during his most recent GSL run? The guy is having trouble at weaker tournaments like MLG and IEM and needs to regroup. Why waste his time flying out there for another beating, just so people who enjoy him losing bump up GOM's ratings for one day?
On March 08 2012 14:13 chrissummers wrote: huk is not undeserving, but I think it is still wrong to give him a seed. top koreans are not undeserving either, but did for example bomber get a seed? or polt? these double standards piss me off.
You can't exactly call it double standards when gom have been very consistent in inviting their players not based on skill.
People are forgetting the Up-and-Down seeds aren't the best seeds. There are two Code S seeds to be rewarded still to one of Polt, Naniwa, Violet, other foreigners, etc.
On March 08 2012 09:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote: GOMTV should change their format how they do it currently. Here is my humble try:
1. Make it that TOP32 (or TOP16) players but only 3-4 day event max
2. Qualifiers to that tournament runs at Weekly at GOMTV where half spots are given (runs 1½-2 months).
3. Rest are invites where majority is top foreigners and rest is top koreans.
Pros: - Foreigners are more willing to participate when its only few days rather than months - GOMTV can focus more on team leagues - Frees up koreans for foreign tournaments (less schedule conflicts) - No more Code A
Cons: - GSL loses ratings due to people not bother watching qualifiers instead watches main event - No more Code A
We already have that, it's called every foreign event.
Ok guys. We need more Zergs into Code S this season. As we only got 4 so far (Nestea, DRG, Curious and Zenio).
My Heart says:
MVPKeen & BboongBboongPRIME (Cermonies and a good Zerg) FXOLeenock & MVPSniper (Two rly nice Zerg players) BumblebeePRIME and MVPsC (Another Zerg + sC is my favorite TvZ-player) oGsFin & EG.HuK (Fun with a foreigner and I want Fin to be good) ST_July & SlayerS_Boxer. (NaDa, Boxer and July in the same season, doesn't get much better than that)
If these would all advance and then Naniwa and Polt gets the seeds we would have the most entertaining Code S Lineup ever IMO.
On March 08 2012 09:03 shell wrote: What's wrong with the seed?
They created this rules to be a Global Starcraft League like their name. If they decide to give a spot to foreigners what's wrong with that?
Don't you like the invites the Koreans are given in all foreign tournaments? They even pay for trips and acommodation and now it's wrong for GSL to give a spot or two? It's not like GSL pays for anything or the flights. Man this type of talk bothers me.
The koreans are given everything and HuK that is more then proven GSL material and sacrifices alot to be in Korea can't compete because it's free? Why should Polt be given a spot then? Maybe then gave it to stephano and he said no, why shouldn't the best foreigner that is in Korea accept it?
Maybe they should make a tournament for all the foreigners and the winner takes the spot but i don't think it's fair that GSL doesn't do a effort to allow a foreigner to participate, it helps and improves the scene in various ways and it keeps things interesting and fresh for better viewship.
My point in the end it's harder on foreigners to travel to another country for months then a Korean flying in for some days. For some it might be considered a previledge but for young guys playing a game for money it must be hard.
First of all names are not everything. Just because the GSL is called the GLOBAL starleague, doesn't mean that they have to be global. Look at the NASL: the NORTH AMERICAN starleague turns into a mostly Korean tournament.
Second, your statement that GSL doesn't pay for anything is just plain wrong. Foreigners that come to Korea get to stay at a practice house financed by GOM.
Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated.
Fourth, Gom seeds are for foreigners who make the hard trek to Korea; that is true. However, Huk LIVES in Korea and has been living there for an extended period of time. If anything, he's probably more used to Korea at this point than any other country. Only his first seed is justified to help him get acclimated and incentivize his coming. However, future seeds, especially after he just dropped out, is pointless.
Fifth, if you haven't noticed, when a Korean goes to a foreign tournament, they aren't seeded directly into the second round, other than MLG last season. In MLG's case its to prevent Koreans from dominating the open brackets and discourage up and coming players from trying to get through. In every other instance, Koreans start on the same ground as every other player. In GSL code A is NOT the first round; the QUALIFIERS are. You shouldn't get seeded into Code A just because your a foreigner. If you fail the FIRST time, you should not be given a second chance, especially if your going to stay there for the forseeable future.
Lastly, you argue as if the system is fair. It is absolutely not fair, especially from a competitor's standpoint. Its not fair to the Koreans. What Gom is doing is a business decision. From that standpoint it's reasonable. However from a fairness standpoint, it will never be fair.
That's your view on it:
People want to complain for the sake of it, complain all you want.
I don't think like that and fortunatly GOM doesn't also.
Don't assume what the Code S seeds are going to be prematurely.
Solid predictions, nothing more to add from my side. But I doubt that Naniwa will get a Code S seed, he does not have outstanding tournament results lately that are required to obtain it. In fact, if you go after the tournament results, I'd say Huk deserves the seed (as Top3 and highest non-Code S finisher).
Look at the bracket for Winter Arena and tell me that Huk did any better than Naniwa. Naniwa lost to the same players and beat more Code S Koreans on the way there.
A 3rd place finish doesn't mean very much in a double elimination bracket.
I am talking about tournament results, i.e. at what place they are finished, because that is the criteria after which the code S seeds are officially handed out.
On March 08 2012 09:03 shell wrote: What's wrong with the seed?
They created this rules to be a Global Starcraft League like their name. If they decide to give a spot to foreigners what's wrong with that?
Don't you like the invites the Koreans are given in all foreign tournaments? They even pay for trips and acommodation and now it's wrong for GSL to give a spot or two? It's not like GSL pays for anything or the flights. Man this type of talk bothers me.
The koreans are given everything and HuK that is more then proven GSL material and sacrifices alot to be in Korea can't compete because it's free? Why should Polt be given a spot then? Maybe then gave it to stephano and he said no, why shouldn't the best foreigner that is in Korea accept it?
Maybe they should make a tournament for all the foreigners and the winner takes the spot but i don't think it's fair that GSL doesn't do a effort to allow a foreigner to participate, it helps and improves the scene in various ways and it keeps things interesting and fresh for better viewship.
My point in the end it's harder on foreigners to travel to another country for months then a Korean flying in for some days. For some it might be considered a previledge but for young guys playing a game for money it must be hard.
First of all names are not everything. Just because the GSL is called the GLOBAL starleague, doesn't mean that they have to be global. Look at the NASL: the NORTH AMERICAN starleague turns into a mostly Korean tournament.
Second, your statement that GSL doesn't pay for anything is just plain wrong. Foreigners that come to Korea get to stay at a practice house financed by GOM.
Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated.
Fourth, Gom seeds are for foreigners who make the hard trek to Korea; that is true. However, Huk LIVES in Korea and has been living there for an extended period of time. If anything, he's probably more used to Korea at this point than any other country. Only his first seed is justified to help him get acclimated and incentivize his coming. However, future seeds, especially after he just dropped out, is pointless.
Fifth, if you haven't noticed, when a Korean goes to a foreign tournament, they aren't seeded directly into the second round, other than MLG last season. In MLG's case its to prevent Koreans from dominating the open brackets and discourage up and coming players from trying to get through. In every other instance, Koreans start on the same ground as every other player. In GSL code A is NOT the first round; the QUALIFIERS are. You shouldn't get seeded into Code A just because your a foreigner. If you fail the FIRST time, you should not be given a second chance, especially if your going to stay there for the forseeable future.
Lastly, you argue as if the system is fair. It is absolutely not fair, especially from a competitor's standpoint. Its not fair to the Koreans. What Gom is doing is a business decision. From that standpoint it's reasonable. However from a fairness standpoint, it will never be fair.
That's your view on it:
People want to complain for the sake of it, complain all you want.
I don't think like that and fortunatly GOM doesn't also.
Take the spot HuK the majority will support it.
Why do you respond to him like that. He has five nicely formatted points. All with proper argumentation to support them. You say: "well that's like your opinion man". I think this is extremely disrespectful. If you are gonna disagree, at least have the decency to explain why, since he also explained it nicely. I like the fourth point especially this is something I hadn't thought off before. It also seems more in line with the objective of gaining interest from viewer by inviting players from the outside, since those you already have will already be providing something. Be it from qualifiers, getting seeded into Code A. You can then have that player + a new one.
Don't assume what the Code S seeds are going to be prematurely.
Solid predictions, nothing more to add from my side. But I doubt that Naniwa will get a Code S seed, he does not have outstanding tournament results lately that are required to obtain it. In fact, if you go after the tournament results, I'd say Huk deserves the seed (as Top3 and highest non-Code S finisher).
Look at the bracket for Winter Arena and tell me that Huk did any better than Naniwa. Naniwa lost to the same players and beat more Code S Koreans on the way there.
A 3rd place finish doesn't mean very much in a double elimination bracket.
I am talking about tournament results, i.e. at what place they are finished, because that is the criteria after which the code S seeds are officially handed out.
It was the criteria. Now they chose whoever they want.
On March 08 2012 18:20 Fionn wrote: People are forgetting the Up-and-Down seeds aren't the best seeds. There are two Code S seeds to be rewarded still to one of Polt, Naniwa, Violet, other foreigners, etc.
You are sure that 2 code S spots will be given right ?
I hope Naniwa and another one gets it ( Idra if he changes to terran ) , not polt , theres like 64 Koreans at the GSL he is just another one that will probably be able to qualify next season , so while this one lasts , he can go to foreign events.
On March 08 2012 18:20 Fionn wrote: People are forgetting the Up-and-Down seeds aren't the best seeds. There are two Code S seeds to be rewarded still to one of Polt, Naniwa, Violet, other foreigners, etc.
You are sure that 2 code S spots will be given right ?
I hope Naniwa and another one gets it ( Idra if he changes to terran ) , not polt , theres like 64 Koreans at the GSL he is just another one that will probably be able to qualify next season , so while this one lasts , he can go to foreign events.
Yes.
8 Code S from Season 1 12 from Code A 10 from Up-and-Downs
Which is 30 and the final two will be given to the two international seeds who have the best international tournament results in the recent history.
Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Any big competition in the world has unfair placing to provide for a more varied field of competitors. So it is a little unfair but the overall competition will be more attractive as a result and the best players are still present..
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Any big competition in the world has unfair placing to provide for a more varied field of competitors. So it is a little unfair but the overall competition will be more attractive as a result and the best players are still present..
I'm not entirely sure about that, generally the competitions I follow are somewhat of a meritocracy. Also, it's one thing to have say, a singled out spot for NA through a qualifier, or something of that nature, and entirely different to arbitrarily hand out spots to players. Huk lost this season, this very season he dropped out of Code A, and now he's getting the reward that everyone else who dropped out was working for.
So basically, his ro48 match didn't even matter, he got to the Up/Downs anyway.
Huk is in Korea for quite a while , its much harder to be a foreigner in Korea playing a 2 month tourney than a Korean coming to Europe to own some dudes during 2 days by playing like they play on ladder..
The language barrier must be quite insane there , not having your friends and family present is so hard for young people. Not even GOMTV wants a Korean Overdose , that would be the nail in the coffin of the GSL in Europe and USA.
He deserves the spot in the up/downs (you may even name him the Sen replacement ) , i would understand the rage if he went directly to Code S but he still has to play and qualify ...
Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans ..
European Champions Cup also gives spots to newbie clubs , and for a champions league most of the clubs present there were 3th , 4th even 5th in their home competitions ... So we could also say they give spots to clubs that aren´t the real best of Europe , and there are better clubs in the Uefa cup than champions sometimes.
On March 09 2012 02:28 tapk69 wrote: Ok so Huk lost and you want him in Code B?
Huk is in Korea for quite a while , its much harder to be a foreigner in Korea playing a 2 month tourney than a Korean coming to Europe to own some dudes during 2 days by playing like they play on ladder..
The language barrier must be quite insane there , not having your friends and family present is so hard for young people. Not even GOMTV wants a Korean Overdose , that would be the nail in the coffin of the GSL in Europe and USA.
He deserves the spot in the up/downs (you may even name him the Sen replacement ) , i would understand the rage if he went directly to Code S but he still has to play and qualify ...
Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans ..
Not sure what coming to Europe for short tournaments has to do with anything, we're not talking about an exchange program or anything at this point.
Yes, Huk lost so I want him to be in Code B for this season, he can attempt to qualify for Code A next season, just like everyone else who lost in the Ro48.
You don't see a problem with him failing to win the set that everyone who got into the Up/Downs won, and getting into the Up/Downs anyway? It's ridiculously unfair, if he won that set, tough luck for his opponent they have to play Code B, if he loses, doesn't matter he gets the same reward anyways.
Yes, being in a foreign country for extended periods of time is hard, but once again I don't see how that's relevant. He's living in Korea, he has the same access to the GSL as other people. The invites to various qualifiers(direct Code S invites seem retarded to me in every regard) initially made sense to me as a way of bringing in foreigners who didn't live in Korea and didn't want to make the trip just to risk playing in Code B, a Code A or Up/Down invite for good performance abroad allows them to bypass that.
Huk's case makes no sense other than, "Life's hard, give him a seed".
On March 09 2012 02:28 tapk69 wrote: Ok so Huk lost and you want him in Code B?
Huk is in Korea for quite a while , its much harder to be a foreigner in Korea playing a 2 month tourney than a Korean coming to Europe to own some dudes during 2 days by playing like they play on ladder..
The language barrier must be quite insane there , not having your friends and family present is so hard for young people. Not even GOMTV wants a Korean Overdose , that would be the nail in the coffin of the GSL in Europe and USA.
He deserves the spot in the up/downs (you may even name him the Sen replacement ) , i would understand the rage if he went directly to Code S but he still has to play and qualify ...
Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans ..
I think it's rage worthy now that he gets to go into up and downs. He has been in GSL longer than A LOT of Koreans, yet he gets a special seeding because he is a foreigner? Sorry, Huk's my dude but that straight up isn't fair and he doesn't deserve anything. He dropped out just like everyone else in code A, he can re-qualify like they have to as well.
On March 09 2012 02:31 tapk69 wrote: European Champions Cup also gives spots to newbie clubs , and for a champions league most of the clubs present there were 3th , 4th even 5th in their home competitions ... So we could also say they give spots to clubs that aren´t the real best of Europe , and there are better clubs in the Uefa cup than champions sometimes.
The competition wasn't always structured to allow non-champions though—that was something that happened due to the influx of money in the sport... Some would argue that it has lost some of its integrity.
On March 09 2012 02:28 tapk69 wrote: Ok so Huk lost and you want him in Code B?
Huk is in Korea for quite a while , its much harder to be a foreigner in Korea playing a 2 month tourney than a Korean coming to Europe to own some dudes during 2 days by playing like they play on ladder..
The language barrier must be quite insane there , not having your friends and family present is so hard for young people. Not even GOMTV wants a Korean Overdose , that would be the nail in the coffin of the GSL in Europe and USA.
He deserves the spot in the up/downs (you may even name him the Sen replacement ) , i would understand the rage if he went directly to Code S but he still has to play and qualify ...
Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans ..
I think it's rage worthy now that he gets to go into up and downs. He has been in GSL longer than A LOT of Koreans, yet he gets a special seeding because he is a foreigner? Sorry, Huk's my dude but that straight up isn't fair and he doesn't deserve anything. He dropped out just like everyone else in code A, he can re-qualify like they have to as well.
He thinks just like you did (atleast he tweeted that. However, with EG being abig busieness, he probably wasn't allowed to say no.
Most players use TL.net , and probably see the stupid things that are said about them .. That makes it even more difficult for them , the mental state of a player is almost as important as skill but nobody sees or wants to see that ...
Just accept this , because GSL with koreans only will have much less foreigner viewers and interest .. I dont see the Korean crowd compensating for the foreigner crowd if this happened.
Gomtv and the gsl is a business. Starcraft II is the minor leagues in korea versus the major league of starcraft one. If they want to give out seeds to foreigners to attract more viewers from north america and europe, that is their right. The fans should be happy. More foreigners get to see their favorite players compete and gomtv attracts a larger audience as does sc ii in general. It does suck for koreans but gsl's purpose is to grow its business and make money. If they get enough extra viewers they can increase the prize pool and tournament sizes anyways so that nobody is really hurt in the long run. Who knows, maybe they could finally upgrade their streams not to have horrible blur and offer a true hd resolution.
On March 09 2012 03:10 Diogenes wrote: Gomtv and the gsl is a business. Starcraft II is the minor leagues in korea versus the major league of starcraft one. If they want to give out seeds to foreigners to attract more viewers from north america and europe, that is their right. The fans should be happy. More foreigners get to see their favorite players compete and gomtv attracts a larger audience as does sc ii in general. It does suck for koreans but gsl's purpose is to grow its business and make money. If they get enough extra viewers they can increase the prize pool and tournament sizes anyways so that nobody is really hurt in the long run. Who knows, maybe they could finally upgrade their streams not to have horrible blur and offer a true hd resolution.
You're essentially making two arguments here and neither of them are particularly good.
No reasonable person is questioning GOM's rights to do whatever they want with their league, so the fact they it's their right to give out seeds if they want to is irrelevant. The question being raised is whether it is right or fair to give out seeds the way they're doing right now, specifically to a player(Huk) who just dropped out of the very same tournament.
I don't think it's fair for the reasons I've stated before in this thread. If they had a wild-card tournament to replace Sen, with a bunch of the players who were knocked out in the Ro48, that would be one thing, but Sen's spot is not what's being replaced. It's a invite spot, that's going to a player who failed to qualify for the very position he's getting invited to.
The second portion of your post is loaded with "should"s and "what if"s that are really sketchy. I don't see why fans should be happy that the premiere tournament in Starcraft 2 is compromising fair competition to give favor to popular players. The fact that GOM is a business has little to do with the fairness of what they're doing and the the benefits that you list are a stretch and an unknown. Besides, I don't think it's worth it to damage competition for views in the premiere tournament in Starcraft 2.
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months.
MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A.
Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something.
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months.
MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A.
Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something.
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
On March 07 2012 21:11 tapk69 wrote: So naniwa gone ? Idra gone ? wtf..
You are...surprised that Idra is gone? Did he even win a game during his most recent GSL run? The guy is having trouble at weaker tournaments like MLG and IEM and needs to regroup. Why waste his time flying out there for another beating, just so people who enjoy him losing bump up GOM's ratings for one day?
his code s group was lucky, nestea, and mvp. name a few foreigners that u think have a good chance of coming out of that group. even lucky demolished naniwa in code a before. at least idra took a game off of lucky and made it a pretty close series. he also didnt look that bad against nestea (forgot if he lost 0-2 or 1-2).
if ur argument is that idra didnt deserve the code s seed in the first place and that it was waste then maybe u have a point. if u wanna say that based on idras play in the GSL he is a bad player than that is just wrong. the majority of foreigners have performed much much worse than idra has. he lost to nestea, lucky, and zenextreme (?? not sure on this but he lost to a pretty skilled protoss)
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
Mc don't won a MLG btw, was Huk.
And it was specifically stated for gom before this happen, the seed system in up and down (for foreigners based in last results).
Btw i find more weird the case of Polt than the case of Huk, falling to code b and probably get Code S seed same season.
You can say, "I don't like the system", that's fine, but dot say its arbitrary when huk clearly deserves the foreigner seed established (better results being foreigner in the last months and willing to play in the next season).
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
That was Core.
Creator is probably the next big Protoss star.
Oh.
That's not embarrassing, don't worry guys, I'm fine.
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months.
MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A.
Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something.
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
I'm trying to point out to people that Huk's seed to the Up and Down is reasonable. Huk is not in Code S, he has to earn it now. GSL has already established precedence by giving Code S seeds to the MLG top 3 highest non-Code S player, so for them to merely give Huk an Up and Down seed may not be explicitly defined, but it is not unfair whatsoever. Yes, the decision is arbitrary, but this isn't an outrageous pick by any means.
Of course GOM wants Huk back in the GSL, but they also want guys like Boxer, Nada, July and Yellow (not so successful on that last one ) in the GSL playing. But Huk's not out of his league in the GSL. He fell to Code A because he got 3rd in his group in the Ro16, losing to the eventual finalist that season in Leenock. He's not like Idra right now, who is on a horrendous losing trend for the past few months. I believe that he can compete at GSL level, that he earned the seed by getting 3rd at MLG, and that rather than attribute his success to him being "white", we give him a chance to get back into Code S by competing in the Up and Downs.
As for the attacks on Huk, I am not singling you out. But the people who claim that he "lucked" his way into 3rd are really starting to annoy me. Beating Oz 2-0 at a live event is suddenly luck? I guess MVP just had a lucky 2011, right?
Predictions Group A: Keen, Squirtle Group B: Leenock, Ganzi Group C: TheStC, sC Group D: Lucky, Killer (or Lucky Brown if Killer is plays jetlagged) Group E: Creator, Supernova
Is it only me that feel like Huk Dosent deserv a code S spot? I mean he is good and all, but i feel like all he does is mass gateway allin, and that he's not in shape right now, but what do i know, thats just my observation.
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months.
MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A.
Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something.
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
Both MC and MMA were seeded directly into the MLG group play, which is MUCH easier than playing from the open bracket (it's astounding how much easier that makes it, which, btw, Naniwa winning that MLG at the start of the year was so incredible), and they didn't have to play at all to earn points for their group play spots, so yeah, I'd consider that the equivalent of being seeded into Ups and Downs.
We want to make it clear that we do not condone NaNiwa’s actions during his match against NesTea. We understand that GOMTV’s decision to revoke NaNiwa’s Code S spot for the next GSL season was not one that was made lightly. He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best. NaNiwa will continue to play for Quantic, and we will also continue to stand by NaNiwa as he learns and grows as a result of his mistakes.
This is from Quantic's post + Nani's statement following the probe rush. The season that he sat out was Season 1 but nothing about sitting out subsequent seasons and certainly not a whole year.
On March 09 2012 20:57 yawnoC wrote: Man, I know we will never find out but, I am still really curious about who the 2nd player seed was supposed to go to.
There can't be that many pros injured at the moment right?
On March 09 2012 20:57 yawnoC wrote: Man, I know we will never find out but, I am still really curious about who the 2nd player seed was supposed to go to.
There can't be that many pros injured at the moment right?
I still think its DeMuslim. He was confirmed as an Up&Down Seed in the EG announcements late 2011 where was also stated he would go to korea. Also, who else could be injured but DeMuslim? Only alternative atm would be Ret.
Maybe Sen looked at the schedules of future tournaments and made a business decision. If he can make more money elsewhere then that's where he should go.
On March 07 2012 16:44 lavit2099 wrote: Why has Sen forfeited? Did he do it himself or was his spot forfeited (sort of like Naniwa's Code S seed last season)? And which player was unable to participate due to injury? Was it MVPsC?
sen didn't get in on a seed though, so he would have had to forfeit it himself i believe.
On March 09 2012 12:47 specctruz wrote: Is it only me that feel like Huk Dosent deserv a code S spot? I mean he is good and all, but i feel like all he does is mass gateway allin, and that he's not in shape right now, but what do i know, thats just my observation.
how is mass gateway allin any different than MC? and it's not a code s seed its an up and down seed, if he makes it through then clearly he deserves the spot don't you think?
On March 09 2012 20:57 yawnoC wrote: Man, I know we will never find out but, I am still really curious about who the 2nd player seed was supposed to go to.
I apologize for the late reply, but I think the 2nd seed might have gone to Ret. Ret cancelled his participation at IEM because of illness. Maybe the term "injury" was just a blanket term for health getting in the way of participation?
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Sen forfeited. Grats to Huk on the seed. Good luck
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