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On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.
overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2.
You just said not to compare.... lolol
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On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.
overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2. You just said not to compare.... lolol
Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison.
But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame 
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It's a shame he couldn't continue to elevate his career after his first GSL, but he definitely left an impression when he was in his prime. Even though the majority of the play in the first GSL was pretty craptastic compared to what we're all accustomed to now, his use of 3 range roaches and baneling drops were amazing...oh and the glitched ultras vs thors was great as well.
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On March 05 2012 15:48 jongzor wrote:
It's a shame he couldn't continue to elevate his career after his first GSL, but he definitely left an impression when he was in his prime. Even though the majority of the play in the first GSL was pretty craptastic compared to what we're all accustomed to now, his use of 3 range roaches and baneling drops were amazing...oh and the glitched ultras vs thors was great as well.
how come you don't mention NYDUS or smart base race?!
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On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon
You dont need to see it at a bar though. Even with barcrafts viewership of LoL exceeds that of sc2. I know alot of people will deny that as false just on fanaticism but its only the truth. Both games are young but as Esports grows so will both an to say that SC2's fan base is larger is just plan false I mean look at IEM Kiev. On the SC2 streams when I was watching there were between 2.5k an 15k but when I was watching LoL I never saw less then 22k viewers. An it being F2P has nothing to do with it. There are just more people wanting to view LoL then SC2 its not a knock on the game since SC2 is an absolutely brilliant game. So just because itll never be viewed at a bar dosnt mean its viewership is any less. An who's to say itll never be shown at a barcraft, I doubt you can see the future.
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About the LoL vs DotA comparison. Is the tournament scene really volatile or not?
If there are a group of top "teams"(not individual players but teams) in LoL that can keep playing and keep making money, then it's an legit eSports.
Also besides lack of denying, what else in LoL "easier" than in DotA (legit question, I know nothing about LoL besides the fact it gets hated on a lot >.<).
One really important thing to note in both LoL and DotA is that it's "more so" based on team skill rather than individual skill.
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I don't understand LoL or Dota either, it was a fun wc3 custom map, I have no idea why people like it so much. Shrug.
Anyways, best of wishes to Fruitdealer in whatever endeavors he chooses.
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On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.
overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2. You just said not to compare.... lolol Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison. But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame
There's always someone to blame in SC2, yourself, if you aren't blaming yourself then you aren't improving, which is probibly why you're getting frustrated and loosing.
Don't generalise based on your experiances.
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On March 05 2012 17:08 enecateReAP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.
overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2. You just said not to compare.... lolol Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison. But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame There's always someone to blame in SC2, yourself, if you aren't blaming yourself then you aren't improving, which is probibly why you're getting frustrated and loosing. Don't generalise based on your experiances.
ok dude, again, I said "imo" and "I prefer". I didn't generalize.
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I remember reading that all he did for a while was play LoL so this doesn't really surprise me.
LoL eliminates the skill gap of unforgiving mechanics that punish you and make you feel like a failure. It's a game that people can play and feel like they are closely related to top players. I feel that is also related to why a lot of people watch it. It is the nature of games that are built around a casual player market first, WoW is also a great example of this. That doesn't mean there isn't a hurdle to be a top player because there most definitely is.
Games like BW, SC2, Quake, and even DOTA, will quickly remind you why you're a nobody even if you're mid to high tier skill level. The skill gaps are tremendous. Really difficult games take hard amounts of dedication and tears. That is why some get elitist about games that require strong fundamentals and life halting dedication to even be anywhere near the top.
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NO. We can't keep losing all of our failed pros to LoL, otherwise SC2 will never survi-
Oh wait no it's fine, we can.
EDIT: GL to Fruit though, truly he had the coolest ID in the world in SC2's younger days.
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On March 05 2012 16:42 Catatonic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too. lol is F2P which alot of people point at oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?" SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon You dont need to see it at a bar though. Even with barcrafts viewership of LoL exceeds that of sc2. I know alot of people will deny that as false just on fanaticism but its only the truth. Both games are young but as Esports grows so will both an to say that SC2's fan base is larger is just plan false I mean look at IEM Kiev. On the SC2 streams when I was watching there were between 2.5k an 15k but when I was watching LoL I never saw less then 22k viewers. An it being F2P has nothing to do with it. There are just more people wanting to view LoL then SC2 its not a knock on the game since SC2 is an absolutely brilliant game. So just because itll never be viewed at a bar dosnt mean its viewership is any less. An who's to say itll never be shown at a barcraft, I doubt you can see the future.
Now that is completely false, the rest of your post I can agree with (yes LoL has easily surpassed SC2) however that part can't be any further from the truth. Why do you think LoL has shat on HoN overall in terms of users and as an e-sport? It's not because LoL is that much better than HoN
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On March 05 2012 17:11 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 17:08 enecateReAP wrote:On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.
overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2. You just said not to compare.... lolol Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison. But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame There's always someone to blame in SC2, yourself, if you aren't blaming yourself then you aren't improving, which is probibly why you're getting frustrated and loosing. Don't generalise based on your experiances. ok dude, again, I said "imo" and "I prefer". I didn't generalize.
Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame
Each of those statements are declaratives.
You should add 'I find' in there a couple of times insted of making statements if you don't want people to take it the wrong way.
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On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.
overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2. You just said not to compare.... lolol Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison. But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame
I have to highly disagree with this. I don't mean to bash the game but it really is easy to play and when people make really newb mistakes it can be the most frustrating thing in video-gaming. I understand people make mistakes but when you don't kill the right target don't look at the mini-map don't participate in teamfights not using your ult. I'm not sure if you understand what I mean but there's a difference in making newb mistakes and making normal mistakes
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I misunderstood this thread.
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I don't understand how people find SC2 frustrating when its pretty obvious your losses are due to your own shortcomings. Losing in SC2 sucks, but it was never rage inducing for me because I could always look at a replay and see what I did wrong. Playing MW3, on the other hand....ever single death feels like I should not have died. It is the most rage inducing game I have ever played, and thats including Dota and HoN (which I think have the most enraged nerd bases Ive ever experienced).
From my experience, when your losses/deaths feel like theyre as a result of your own shortcomings rather than the game being full of shit there is less frustration because youre in control of how you prevent it from happening next time.
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Watching LoL, DotA, HoN,.... is like watching kpop groups, you will always find a girl you like and root for, unlike SC2, I don't like IU, that's it hehe.
Don't quote me on this lol.
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On March 05 2012 17:36 Supamang wrote:
I don't understand how people find SC2 frustrating when its pretty obvious your losses are due to your own shortcomings. Losing in SC2 sucks, but it was never rage inducing for me because I could always look at a replay and see what I did wrong. Playing MW3, on the other hand....ever single death feels like I should not have died. It is the most rage inducing game I have ever played, and thats including Dota and HoN (which I think have the most enraged nerd bases Ive ever experienced).
From my experience, when your losses/deaths feel like theyre as a result of your own shortcomings rather than the game being full of shit there is less frustration because youre in control of how you prevent it from happening next time.
I think it's the build order losses that make people rage, especially in matchups like ZvZ. 14/14 > 10pool > 15 hatch > 14/14 (etc)
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don't forget his perfect game vs oGsTop on scrap station, 3base ling muta into ultralisk to destroy Top's mech army... was beautiful
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On March 05 2012 17:48 NMx.StyX wrote:
don't forget his perfect game vs oGsTop on scrap station, 3base ling muta into ultralisk to destroy Top's mech army... was beautiful
And let's not forget the ridiculous ultralisk damage range bug Blizzard left in to make that possible.
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