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ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 05 2012 10:22 GMT
#181
I feel sad for him, hoping that it's worth his time.
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
March 05 2012 10:25 GMT
#182
On March 05 2012 18:36 bokeevboke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 17:30 Sephy90 wrote:
On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:
On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:
On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.

overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2.

You just said not to compare.... lolol


Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison.
But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame

I have to highly disagree with this. I don't mean to bash the game but it really is easy to play and when people make really newb mistakes it can be the most frustrating thing in video-gaming. I understand people make mistakes but when you don't kill the right target don't look at the mini-map don't participate in teamfights not using your ult. I'm not sure if you understand what I mean but there's a difference in making newb mistakes and making normal mistakes

its no secret you gotta do 10x more things in sc2 than in LoL. And you need constant concentration, do things quickly, so on. In LoL you can just chill while you're dead or simply teleport back. You have somewhat ingame interaction, chat with people, don't feel lonely. Those things make LoL a better game for me. Afterall game should be fun and relaxing.

I can understand your feelings~ but for me in SC2 I didn't really get frustrated as much as I see other people getting. Even when I played in BW I didn't get upset just.. got too intimidated to even play games anymore because of how good people were and how difficult I thought the game was.

Going from BW to SC2 was a sort of relaxing transition for me from all the new mechanics and the units. I guess I was too busy enjoying the new game to even feel flustered lol. I've been playing LoL for over a year now and I've felt more rage playing it than both BW and SC2 combined hehe.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
Tuthur
Profile Joined July 2010
France985 Posts
March 05 2012 10:34 GMT
#183
LoL : Where StarCraft players go to die
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 10:41:32
March 05 2012 10:41 GMT
#184
On March 05 2012 13:35 1Eris1 wrote:
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On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:
The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it

thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL

also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there

also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing


This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too.

lol is F2P which alot of people point at

oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it

MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?"

SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon


Um SC2's viewerbase has actually shrunk considerably.
And LoL has already started working on several barcrafts
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12923085

Please don't make up stuff, I don't like LoL that much either, but to shit on it or to lie about it isn't cool.

What are you talking about? The viewerbase has not shrunk considerably lol. The most viewed event was Providence in November and this GSL finals had 3 times the usual amounts of live viewers which caused GOMTV to crash.
kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
March 05 2012 11:07 GMT
#185
I don't get it. Why would Koreans even enjoy LoL? DotA 2 is waay better than it in everything (it's still beta though). Hopefully Korean MOBA pros will all switch over to DotA 2 once it's open beta or final release, for the sake of eSports.
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
March 05 2012 11:15 GMT
#186
On March 05 2012 20:07 c_kAelle wrote:
I don't get it. Why would Koreans even enjoy LoL? DotA 2 is waay better than it in everything (it's still beta though). Hopefully Korean MOBA pros will all switch over to DotA 2 once it's open beta or final release, for the sake of eSports.


SC2 is a game for people with more individuals skills and handspeed, aka pros, and noobs find it hard to keep up with the game and constantly get pwned, whereas LoL is more noob friendly coz it requires alot less individual skills. Since there are always more noobs than pros in the world, LoL will be more popular than sc2.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
March 05 2012 11:15 GMT
#187
On March 05 2012 19:25 Sephy90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 18:36 bokeevboke wrote:
On March 05 2012 17:30 Sephy90 wrote:
On March 05 2012 15:47 bokeevboke wrote:
On March 05 2012 15:44 cmen15 wrote:
On March 05 2012 15:41 bokeevboke wrote:
Pls stop arguing and comparing, its different genres 1v1 and 5v5. If you think you don't need skill to play LoL then how about basketball? its the same, 5 players vs 5 players, each player has a role, no macro. But it still requires coaching, training and have lots of viewers.

overall, imo LoL is a better game than sc2.

You just said not to compare.... lolol


Dude I was talking about skill-ceiling comparison.
But, as a game, as a whole, I prefer LoL over sc2. Its easier, not so frustrating, and there is always someone to blame

I have to highly disagree with this. I don't mean to bash the game but it really is easy to play and when people make really newb mistakes it can be the most frustrating thing in video-gaming. I understand people make mistakes but when you don't kill the right target don't look at the mini-map don't participate in teamfights not using your ult. I'm not sure if you understand what I mean but there's a difference in making newb mistakes and making normal mistakes

its no secret you gotta do 10x more things in sc2 than in LoL. And you need constant concentration, do things quickly, so on. In LoL you can just chill while you're dead or simply teleport back. You have somewhat ingame interaction, chat with people, don't feel lonely. Those things make LoL a better game for me. Afterall game should be fun and relaxing.

I can understand your feelings~ but for me in SC2 I didn't really get frustrated as much as I see other people getting. Even when I played in BW I didn't get upset just.. got too intimidated to even play games anymore because of how good people were and how difficult I thought the game was.

Going from BW to SC2 was a sort of relaxing transition for me from all the new mechanics and the units. I guess I was too busy enjoying the new game to even feel flustered lol. I've been playing LoL for over a year now and I've felt more rage playing it than both BW and SC2 combined hehe.


I never rage in LoL or in SC2. Part of the reason is that I don't care about my ranking. I don't even know what my elo is, and I don't know how to look it up (I'm 30th level for long time). In sc2 I didn't care about my ranking either. I just hop in and try to play some games, have fun, do my stuff - some interesting builds. But in reality, I tend to get frustrated and exhausted. And I feel I wasted my time. Thats why I feel LoL (or maybe any other MOBA) is a better game. I understand its a casual game. But seriously, does someone want to waste their leisure time for "hard-work" game?

On a side note, BW was fun and forgiving. In sc2 one mistake - you're dead. Thats what it makes so frustrating. Its just my opinion. Feel free to ignore.
Its grack
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 05 2012 11:21 GMT
#188
On March 05 2012 18:37 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 16:42 Catatonic wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:27 Forikorder wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:24 Navillus wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:18 Forikorder wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:14 FinestHour wrote:
The LoL scene is growing at such a frightening fast pace, will definitely not be surprised to see it become as big as starcraft in korea...which made me start practicing it

thing is from what ive heard LoL doesnt have much long term viability, i think its mainly the makers who are sponsoring the tournys while Blizz has pretty much washed its hands off supporting SC2 after NASL

also with MLGs winter arena tournaments are starting to figure out how to turn a profit, Sundance has said that the winter arena is a sustainable bussiness without any sponsors (whicch i beleive is the only event in SC2 history) so to sponsors theyll look at LoL and see viewers and an industry that is gobbling up money and theyll look at SC2 and see a scene that is starting to become sustainable and start spending money over there

also i wouldnt be surprised if LoL teams are mainly springing up becuase they see big tourny prises and less that theres a huge giant viewrbase but i dont have access to any numbers here and just guessing


This is really wishful thinking, LoL has a base larger viewer base than SCII just because it's F2P, if SCII manages to ever find a model that is sustainable LoL will too and will have it better, if we don't... they still might, but if they fail with the support their getting and the much higher viewer count (and that's really what matters, the viewer count is what's going to decide how much money tournies make and whether they'll be able to float) then you can be sure that Starcraft will fail too.

lol is F2P which alot of people point at

oh look becuase its free alot of people paly it and watch it

MLG found out how to sustainable with PPV, how many people are gonna say "well if im not even willing to pay to paly the game why would i pay to watch it?"

SC2 viewerbase is growing fast, not jsut people who play the game but alot of people who dont, youll never walk into a bar and see LoL on the screen anytime soon

You dont need to see it at a bar though. Even with barcrafts viewership of LoL exceeds that of sc2. I know alot of people will deny that as false just on fanaticism but its only the truth. Both games are young but as Esports grows so will both an to say that SC2's fan base is larger is just plan false I mean look at IEM Kiev. On the SC2 streams when I was watching there were between 2.5k an 15k but when I was watching LoL I never saw less then 22k viewers. An it being F2P has nothing to do with it. There are just more people wanting to view LoL then SC2 its not a knock on the game since SC2 is an absolutely brilliant game. So just because itll never be viewed at a bar dosnt mean its viewership is any less. An who's to say itll never be shown at a barcraft, I doubt you can see the future.


I have heard that LoL live audience is quite small.



actually it isn't

http://p.twimg.com/Aeop9CcCQAAuAQf.jpg:large

And in Korea, LoL was the first ever game to completely fill the OGN eSports stadium.
Jyaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia170 Posts
March 05 2012 11:23 GMT
#189
FruitDealer was the reason I started playing StarCraft 2 and as Zerg after watching the GSL finals T_T
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 11:27:37
March 05 2012 11:27 GMT
#190
On March 05 2012 20:23 Jyaki wrote:
FruitDealer was the reason I started playing StarCraft 2 and as Zerg after watching the GSL finals T_T


I guess you should start coaching League of Legends now, lol.
I wonder what he wants to do as a coach in LoL. I mean, he can't observe them as theyre laddering and what would he have to say? 'You have to farm faster!' 'You have to aim that skillshot 2mm lower' ... Wtf?
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
March 05 2012 11:33 GMT
#191
Fruitdealer will finally get an opportunity to shine , i guess this is good to him because we all knew he sucked at SC2 now .
Most foreigners are probably better than FD is so he changed game.
Good luck , but LOL sucks
ja foste
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 11:37:32
March 05 2012 11:36 GMT
#192
On March 05 2012 20:27 Xiron wrote:
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On March 05 2012 20:23 Jyaki wrote:
FruitDealer was the reason I started playing StarCraft 2 and as Zerg after watching the GSL finals T_T


I guess you should start coaching League of Legends now, lol.
I wonder what he wants to do as a coach in LoL. I mean, he can't observe them as theyre laddering and what would he have to say? 'You have to farm faster!' 'You have to aim that skillshot 2mm lower' ... Wtf?

They're in a team house, and most top teams scrim a lot in customs, so he could always spec there, too. As for coaching...

"You're focusing a lot on trying to keep him out of lane. I know you're practicing a strong style for that, but play smart and think in the long-term: if you don't make any mistakes and die yourself, you will eventually force him out of lane by attrition anyway. Farm first should be your mindset here." "Your positioning is generally pretty bad compared to other top junglers right now. Always keep an eye on the momentum of each lane so you know when to be on which side of the map for potential ganks. You should be able to stay mostly on one side without missing too many creeps."

It's like going from BW to SC2 again. So much over-simplification -_-
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Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
March 05 2012 11:43 GMT
#193
On March 05 2012 13:21 Dissonance23 wrote:

LoL viewerbase is bigger than SC2s in basically every way, even the top top streamers double the top sc2 streamers most of the time, some can average around 11k viewers. Major LoL tournaments regularly have 100k+ people watching.


Top streamers double... right.
But when you go down 2 or 3 ladders in the streamer numbers, the guys tat are streaming below that have way lower numbers than the SC2 streams.
So it is fine, the streaming numbers for players is still higher in SC2 and more spread out, wich is good.
Ferric
Profile Joined June 2011
United States22 Posts
March 05 2012 12:29 GMT
#194
Good to see FD is staying in the e-sports scene, he had some very unique contributions to SC2 that I'm sure Zerg's have built substantially from.

All this other stuff about comparing LoL and SC2 is pretty odd to see. But hey, sometimes I like to compare apples and oranges (without any hard numbers) from time to time too >
"Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy."-Sun Tzu
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
March 05 2012 12:44 GMT
#195
On March 05 2012 20:43 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 13:21 Dissonance23 wrote:

LoL viewerbase is bigger than SC2s in basically every way, even the top top streamers double the top sc2 streamers most of the time, some can average around 11k viewers. Major LoL tournaments regularly have 100k+ people watching.


Top streamers double... right.
But when you go down 2 or 3 ladders in the streamer numbers, the guys tat are streaming below that have way lower numbers than the SC2 streams.
So it is fine, the streaming numbers for players is still higher in SC2 and more spread out, wich is good.


I did some research on this. One player that would be considered the top in LoL recieves more stream views then every single sc2 stream combined. This was the exact same time of day as well. Of course this changes with time of the day. but you can't say that LoL isn't more popular than sc2, we would be lying to ourselves.

Though just because LoL is more popular doesn't mean sc2 is dying. Nor does it mean LoL is an eaier game.

You can't directly compare them. LoL has its own skills needed to play, and so does sc2. They both require a different skill cap and make use of different skills.

Saying LoL is easy is not exactly true. In high level games you have to consider a ton of different factors. Same with sc2. You coudl say low level games (bronze/silver) are easy, which would be true, but once you get to a high skill level, it isn't so easy. The game gets harder as people get better.

but again we can't directly compare them, only way we can compare them is by which one we enjoy more. some enjoy sc2 more, some snjoy LoL more.

We shouldn't bitch and compain about LoL though. Its a game like any other, people enjoy said game. Its like people botching that sc2 is too easy compared to bw, even though true. It just causes more tension between the two communities. Lets not have that. Esports is Esports is Esports
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2012 12:52 GMT
#196
Strange news... I play both games and I find LoL kind of boring. Even though I play it 3 times as much as SCII.
I had a good night of sleep.
Abort Retry Fail
Profile Joined December 2011
2636 Posts
March 05 2012 12:56 GMT
#197
On March 05 2012 13:08 pt wrote:
guess ill be the first to say it. in lol, you control 1 character and you have teammates. coaching would be like playing starcraft ^^

Exactly my thoughts lol. Is he good at LoL? Really feel bad for FD since after IEM.
Does this mean he'll stop playing SC2?
BSOD
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
March 05 2012 12:59 GMT
#198
On March 05 2012 21:44 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 20:43 Usagi wrote:
On March 05 2012 13:21 Dissonance23 wrote:

LoL viewerbase is bigger than SC2s in basically every way, even the top top streamers double the top sc2 streamers most of the time, some can average around 11k viewers. Major LoL tournaments regularly have 100k+ people watching.


Top streamers double... right.
But when you go down 2 or 3 ladders in the streamer numbers, the guys tat are streaming below that have way lower numbers than the SC2 streams.
So it is fine, the streaming numbers for players is still higher in SC2 and more spread out, wich is good.


I did some research on this. One player that would be considered the top in LoL recieves more stream views then every single sc2 stream combined. This was the exact same time of day as well. Of course this changes with time of the day. but you can't say that LoL isn't more popular than sc2, we would be lying to ourselves.

Though just because LoL is more popular doesn't mean sc2 is dying. Nor does it mean LoL is an eaier game.

You can't directly compare them. LoL has its own skills needed to play, and so does sc2. They both require a different skill cap and make use of different skills.

Saying LoL is easy is not exactly true. In high level games you have to consider a ton of different factors. Same with sc2. You coudl say low level games (bronze/silver) are easy, which would be true, but once you get to a high skill level, it isn't so easy. The game gets harder as people get better.

but again we can't directly compare them, only way we can compare them is by which one we enjoy more. some enjoy sc2 more, some snjoy LoL more.

We shouldn't bitch and compain about LoL though. Its a game like any other, people enjoy said game. Its like people botching that sc2 is too easy compared to bw, even though true. It just causes more tension between the two communities. Lets not have that. Esports is Esports is Esports


It's pretty well known than LoL is more popular than SC2 nad its playerbase is huge just like WoW. Which game hold higher status in Esport is different story though.
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 13:09:33
March 05 2012 13:07 GMT
#199
On March 05 2012 13:05 Rinrun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 13:03 dongus wrote:
I don't understand. What's there to coach in LoL?

It's a team sport? There is coordination? Plays?
I know what you're trying to say though lol.

Anyways, good luck to him, kind of sad seeing him leave sc2.


Do Dota teams have coaches though? Sad to see him leave SC2 though :l Best of luck I suppose
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
March 05 2012 13:09 GMT
#200
What I don't understand is that what makes Fruitdealer a good coach in LoL?

Why would they want to have him as coach in LoL?
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