Chinese Teams Establish ACE - Page 2

On March 01 2012 07:09 xilaratu wrote:
No iG or am I just reading that wrong? :X Don't think they're active in SC2 but they have a pretty big dota presence.

All in all a great move to further Chinese esports.

On March 01 2012 07:06 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Will these region associations cause conflict for inter-regional relations? Like a Chinese rep vs. Korean rep vs. etc. If everyone has a similar goal in mind this would be fine, but what if objectives differ and leads to fracturing in the long run?

On March 01 2012 07:18 Dakkas wrote:
I thought this was going to be team like Airforce ACE from BW

On March 01 2012 07:21 Blasterion wrote:

I am surprised they haven't done this yet. I know the top brass loves to show off, at.....anything.

On March 01 2012 07:45 a176 wrote:


they did make their own america's army style game, didnt they?

On March 01 2012 07:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
I haven't been too impressed by China yet and I rarely see its players, so hopefully this organization solves those issues.

On March 01 2012 07:50 Eee wrote:

I think the main problem is that it's pretty hard to get a visa to EU/US. three examples from major events:
- The Blizzcon China qualifier winners couldn't participate in Blizzcon because their VISA's were not granted
- Infi from Tyloo gaming was supposed to be in attendance at Dreamhack Valencia but was not granted VISA (I believe?)
- IEM has a slot for a chinese player at each of their events, still they've been struggling to actually get a Chinese in attendance due to Visa problems.

On March 01 2012 08:18 Azarkon wrote:


Yeah, there's a huge difference between getting a VISA from China to the EU/US and getting a VISA from South Korea to the EU/US. But it's not just a case of the EU/US not wanting to let them in; China also doesn't like letting them out.

If this is going to change, it'll have to be change on both ends. By banding together, ACE has a better chance of lobbying the Chinese government than the teams would be on their own. But they have to overcome an entrenched conservatism on the part of the Chinese government, which is not friendly towards games and other forms of non-educational media content.

In recent years, the Chinese government has banned a huge number of entertainment shows and media content in China on the basis that they are corrupting the youth. Esports can very easily be cast as a sort of Marxist opiate of the masses, and if that happens then that's the end of Esports in China. The key for ACE will be to try and appeal to the same kind of sentiment that supports physical sports in China - as a way for the country to gain face.

On March 01 2012 08:18 Azarkon wrote:


Yeah, there's a huge difference between getting a VISA from China to the EU/US and getting a VISA from South Korea to the EU/US. But it's not just a case of the EU/US not wanting to let them in; China also doesn't like letting them out.

If this is going to change, it'll have to be change on both ends. By banding together, ACE has a better chance of lobbying the Chinese government than the teams would be on their own. But they have to overcome an entrenched conservatism on the part of the Chinese government, which is not friendly towards games and other forms of non-educational media content.

In recent years, the Chinese government has banned a huge number of entertainment shows and media content in China on the basis that they are corrupting the youth. Esports can very easily be cast as a sort of Marxist opiate of the masses, and if that happens then that's the end of Esports in China. The key for ACE will be to try and appeal to the same kind of sentiment that supports physical sports in China - as a way for the country to gain face.

On March 01 2012 08:19 Blasterion wrote:

They should be boss like me. I leave/ go to China/US whenever I want. US Permanent Resident(Green Card)/China citizen is a magical position to be in. Visas suck, that's why I don't do them.

But trying to do stuff with China Passport is just not cool -.-" when your destination isn't China/US

On March 01 2012 08:23 Primadog wrote:


I used to be like you, then I take a citizenship test to the knee.

February 9th 2012
The Association of China E-sports ACE is created by the domestic E-sports clubs (of China). With collectively advance the future of eSports as our objective, we pledge mutual support to fellow professional gaming teams and uphold player rights as our basis. Today, we open our official microblogging platform on QQ for public communication.
http://t.qq.com/p/t/79174100302148

On March 01 2012 08:22 Eee wrote:

Can you explain this a bit more? It seems a bit overexxagerated?

Edit: For example China has always been one of the most important countries in other esport titles such as cs, wc3 and DOTA and have hosted many major events there, and foreign teams/players have never had any troubles getting there. And also as far as I remember, in wc3 the chinese players never really had any troubles getting to the foreign tournaments (Which where based in EU). That problem seems to be mainly China/US from what I've understand, rather than China/US but why doesn't the chinese government to grant the players travelling to China? I'd like to point out that this problem is also common for the ukrainian/russian scene.

On March 01 2012 08:51 Azarkon wrote:


Going into China from the US/EU is pretty easy.

Going into the US/EU from China is not, and this seems to be an US/EU specific thing as Chinese players have few issues attending Korean and SEA tournaments.

In WC 3, most of the tournaments were hosted in China, Korea, and the EU. The EU is a problem for Chinese players and they did have VISA problems - ie: http://www.gotfrag.com/war/story/36455/

"Of course we want to be on safe side with picking up another Korean player but not only to avoid visa problems, also for online matches since we all know how bad the Chinese internet connection is. Anyway, this does not mean that our Chinese players won't play for us in WC3L or NGL anymore and furthermore we will give our best that players like Sky and TeD will get their visa for the next time." - manager of World Elite circa 2007

There were a number of WC 3 tournaments hosted in the EU which did not have Chinese players, but most people did not pay enough attention to the WC 3 scene to notice the absence.

The problem is not so much that it's impossible for them to get their VISAs approved as that it's time and resource-consuming. A Chinese team would have to apply for VISA way in advance for their players and still run the risk of getting rejected the first time through. As for reasons, this discussion has been had on this board before and I think people mentioned both issues on the EU/US side and issues on the Chinese side.

Tournament organizers do not want to take this risk, and Chinese teams aren't eager to take it, either, especially in SC 2 where their players aren't top 3 like they would be in WC 3 or Dota. The money is another factor, but a lot of EU/US tournaments do subsidize travel and the Chinese teams aren't that poor, so they can afford the travel if they wanted to. But the VISA issue is problematic because it means you can't count on Chinese players making tournaments so if you invite them, you take a risk.