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Eee
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- World Elite - Invictus Gaming - TyLoo - DK Gaming - LGD - PanDarea Gaming - AgFox - ForLove - DT_Club - TongFu The ACE Organization will release future news trought their microblog at: http://t.qq.com/Ace-sports Source: http://www.tatazu.com/index.php?action-viewnews-itemid-28274 | ||
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Lemonayd
United States745 Posts
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
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Bagration
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Son of Gnome
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On March 01 2012 06:07 Bagration wrote: So it is somewhat like an SC2Con? That's good, these progamers need representation and someone to lobby for them. apparently when I first read this I thought they were going to establish a team like BW ACE ._., but in China | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 01 2012 06:07 Son of Gnome wrote: So... is this basically kespa for china?? No, as I said in the OP It's a G7 rather than a KeSPA. Since I believe KeSPA is state-owned, and this is ran by the organization owners much like G7 was in western esports. For those that dont know what G7 was, read this: http://www.g7teams.com/page/aboutg7/ | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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nuunuu
Finland79 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 01 2012 06:36 Fionn wrote: TongFu is now my favorite Chinese team. What did they do? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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Drium
United States888 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Just the name alone should be enough | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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xilaratu
United States233 Posts
All in all a great move to further Chinese esports. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:09 xilaratu wrote: No iG or am I just reading that wrong? :X Don't think they're active in SC2 but they have a pretty big dota presence. All in all a great move to further Chinese esports. iG = Invictus Gaming | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:09 xilaratu wrote: No iG or am I just reading that wrong? :X Don't think they're active in SC2 but they have a pretty big dota presence. All in all a great move to further Chinese esports. Invictus Gaming = iG On March 01 2012 07:06 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Will these region associations cause conflict for inter-regional relations? Like a Chinese rep vs. Korean rep vs. etc. If everyone has a similar goal in mind this would be fine, but what if objectives differ and leads to fracturing in the long run? I think this organization will rather protect the inter-regional relations rather than isolating them. China is a lot more familiar with the Foreign esport scene than Korea thanks to wc3, DOTA and CS 1.6, so we wont really be seeing TSL-Drama in China. | ||
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Dakkas
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:18 Dakkas wrote: I thought this was going to be team like Airforce ACE from BW I am surprised they haven't done this yet. I know the top brass loves to show off, at.....anything. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:21 Blasterion wrote: I am surprised they haven't done this yet. I know the top brass loves to show off, at.....anything. they did make their own america's army style game, didnt they? | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:45 a176 wrote: they did make their own america's army style game, didnt they? They don't have a team. you know the top brass's favorite hobby is to shit on foreigners at something. well anything really. Video games is one of them. It makes them happy. The top brass loves the arguement that I bet my _____ can beats your ________ They should form a People's Army eSports team. it's very like them. btw contrary to the common belief the old men up there are actually very trendy. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: I haven't been too impressed by China yet and I rarely see its players, so hopefully this organization solves those issues. I think the main problem is that it's pretty hard to get a visa to EU/US. three examples from major events: - The Blizzcon China qualifier winners couldn't participate in Blizzcon because their VISA's were not granted - IEM has a slot for a chinese player at each of their events, still they've been struggling to actually get a Chinese in attendance due to Visa problems. EDIT: (Infi did not attend Dreamhack Valencia because of TyLoo having a restrucutre for their RTS division) | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 01 2012 07:50 Eee wrote: I think the main problem is that it's pretty hard to get a visa to EU/US. three examples from major events: - The Blizzcon China qualifier winners couldn't participate in Blizzcon because their VISA's were not granted - Infi from Tyloo gaming was supposed to be in attendance at Dreamhack Valencia but was not granted VISA (I believe?) - IEM has a slot for a chinese player at each of their events, still they've been struggling to actually get a Chinese in attendance due to Visa problems. Yeah, there's a huge difference between getting a VISA from China to the EU/US and getting a VISA from South Korea to the EU/US. But it's not just a case of the EU/US not wanting to let them in; China also doesn't like letting them out. If this is going to change, it'll have to be change on both ends. By banding together, ACE has a better chance of lobbying the Chinese government than the teams would have on their own. But they have to overcome an entrenched conservatism on the part of the Chinese government, which is not friendly towards games and other forms of non-educational media content. In recent years, the Chinese government has banned a huge number of entertainment shows and media content in China on the idea that they're corrupting the youth. Esports can very easily be cast as a sort of Marxist opiate of the masses, and if that happens then that's the end of Esports in China. The goal for ACE will be to try and appeal to the same kind of sentiment that supports physical sports in China - as a way for the country to gain face. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:18 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, there's a huge difference between getting a VISA from China to the EU/US and getting a VISA from South Korea to the EU/US. But it's not just a case of the EU/US not wanting to let them in; China also doesn't like letting them out. If this is going to change, it'll have to be change on both ends. By banding together, ACE has a better chance of lobbying the Chinese government than the teams would be on their own. But they have to overcome an entrenched conservatism on the part of the Chinese government, which is not friendly towards games and other forms of non-educational media content. In recent years, the Chinese government has banned a huge number of entertainment shows and media content in China on the basis that they are corrupting the youth. Esports can very easily be cast as a sort of Marxist opiate of the masses, and if that happens then that's the end of Esports in China. The key for ACE will be to try and appeal to the same kind of sentiment that supports physical sports in China - as a way for the country to gain face. They should be boss like me. I leave/ go to China/US whenever I want. US Permanent Resident(Green Card)/China citizen is a magical position to be in. Visas suck, that's why I don't do them. But trying to do stuff with China Passport is just not cool -.-" when your destination isn't China/US | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:18 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, there's a huge difference between getting a VISA from China to the EU/US and getting a VISA from South Korea to the EU/US. But it's not just a case of the EU/US not wanting to let them in; China also doesn't like letting them out. If this is going to change, it'll have to be change on both ends. By banding together, ACE has a better chance of lobbying the Chinese government than the teams would be on their own. But they have to overcome an entrenched conservatism on the part of the Chinese government, which is not friendly towards games and other forms of non-educational media content. In recent years, the Chinese government has banned a huge number of entertainment shows and media content in China on the basis that they are corrupting the youth. Esports can very easily be cast as a sort of Marxist opiate of the masses, and if that happens then that's the end of Esports in China. The key for ACE will be to try and appeal to the same kind of sentiment that supports physical sports in China - as a way for the country to gain face. Can you explain this a bit more? It seems a bit overexxagerated? Edit: China has always been one of the most important countries in other esport titles such as cs, wc3 and DOTA and have hosted many major events there, and foreign teams/players have never had any troubles getting there. And also as far as I remember, in wc3 the chinese players never really had any troubles getting to the foreign tournaments (Which where based in EU). That problem seems to be mainly China/US from what I've understand, rather than China/US but why doesn't the chinese government to grant the players travelling to China? I'd like to point out that this problem is also common for the ukrainian/russian scene. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:19 Blasterion wrote: They should be boss like me. I leave/ go to China/US whenever I want. US Permanent Resident(Green Card)/China citizen is a magical position to be in. Visas suck, that's why I don't do them. But trying to do stuff with China Passport is just not cool -.-" when your destination isn't China/US I used to be like you, then I take a citizenship test to the knee. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:23 Primadog wrote: I used to be like you, then I take a citizenship test to the knee. My relatives are still bugging me about taking the test, not about to anytime soon. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
From http://t.qq.com/ace-sports ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QjyM3.jpg) February 9th 2012 The Association of China E-sports ACE is created by the domestic E-sports clubs (of China). With collectively advance the future of eSports as our objective, we pledge mutual support to fellow professional gaming teams and uphold player rights as our basis. Today, we open our official microblogging platform on QQ for public communication. http://t.qq.com/p/t/79174100302148 | ||
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VPCursed
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:22 Eee wrote: Can you explain this a bit more? It seems a bit overexxagerated? Edit: For example China has always been one of the most important countries in other esport titles such as cs, wc3 and DOTA and have hosted many major events there, and foreign teams/players have never had any troubles getting there. And also as far as I remember, in wc3 the chinese players never really had any troubles getting to the foreign tournaments (Which where based in EU). That problem seems to be mainly China/US from what I've understand, rather than China/US but why doesn't the chinese government to grant the players travelling to China? I'd like to point out that this problem is also common for the ukrainian/russian scene. Going into China from the US/EU is pretty easy. Going into the US/EU from China is not, and this seems to be an US/EU specific thing as Chinese players have few issues attending Korean and SEA tournaments. In WC 3, most of the tournaments were hosted in the EU, China, and Korea. The EU is a problem for Chinese players and they did have VISA problems - ie: http://www.gotfrag.com/war/story/36455/ "Of course we want to be on safe side with picking up another Korean player but not only to avoid visa problems, also for online matches since we all know how bad the Chinese internet connection is. Anyway, this does not mean that our Chinese players won't play for us in WC3L or NGL anymore and furthermore we will give our best that players like Sky and TeD will get their visa for the next time." - manager of World Elite circa 2007 There were a number of WC 3 tournaments hosted in the EU which did not have Chinese players, but most people did not pay enough attention to the WC 3 scene to notice the absence. The problem is not so much that it's impossible for them to get their VISAs approved as that it's time and resource-consuming. A Chinese team would have to apply for VISA way in advance for their players and still run the risk of getting rejected the first time through. As for reasons, this discussion has been had on this board before and I think people mentioned both issues on the EU/US side and issues on the Chinese side. Tournament organizers do not want to take this risk, and Chinese teams aren't eager to take it, either, especially in SC 2 where their players aren't top 3 like they would be in WC 3 or Dota. The money is another factor, but a lot of EU/US tournaments do subsidize travel and the Chinese teams aren't that poor, so they can afford the travel if they wanted to. But the VISA issue is problematic because it means you can't count on Chinese players making tournaments so if you invite them, you take a risk. | ||
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
 Lyn belongs to PanDarea. I hope he can benefit from this system. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:51 Azarkon wrote: Going into China from the US/EU is pretty easy. Going into the US/EU from China is not, and this seems to be an US/EU specific thing as Chinese players have few issues attending Korean and SEA tournaments. In WC 3, most of the tournaments were hosted in China, Korea, and the EU. The EU is a problem for Chinese players and they did have VISA problems - ie: http://www.gotfrag.com/war/story/36455/ "Of course we want to be on safe side with picking up another Korean player but not only to avoid visa problems, also for online matches since we all know how bad the Chinese internet connection is. Anyway, this does not mean that our Chinese players won't play for us in WC3L or NGL anymore and furthermore we will give our best that players like Sky and TeD will get their visa for the next time." - manager of World Elite circa 2007 There were a number of WC 3 tournaments hosted in the EU which did not have Chinese players, but most people did not pay enough attention to the WC 3 scene to notice the absence. The problem is not so much that it's impossible for them to get their VISAs approved as that it's time and resource-consuming. A Chinese team would have to apply for VISA way in advance for their players and still run the risk of getting rejected the first time through. As for reasons, this discussion has been had on this board before and I think people mentioned both issues on the EU/US side and issues on the Chinese side. Tournament organizers do not want to take this risk, and Chinese teams aren't eager to take it, either, especially in SC 2 where their players aren't top 3 like they would be in WC 3 or Dota. The money is another factor, but a lot of EU/US tournaments do subsidize travel and the Chinese teams aren't that poor, so they can afford the travel if they wanted to. But the VISA issue is problematic because it means you can't count on Chinese players making tournaments so if you invite them, you take a risk. thank you for explaining (and not bashing me for questioning you XD)  | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On March 01 2012 08:50 Skullflower wrote: Isn't Ehome a Chinese organization? Why are they absent from this? Yes, EHOME is Chinese. I'm kind of curious about their absence too, but to be fair, I don't know what their SC2 division looks like. ReMinD's been playing a bit of SC2, but just barely as far as I can tell. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On March 01 2012 09:04 babylon wrote: Yes, EHOME is Chinese. I'm kind of curious about their absence too, but to be fair, I don't know what their SC2 division looks like. ReMinD's been playing a bit of SC2, but just barely as far as I can tell. ...if i am reading this properly it doesn't mean only SC2 organization. these teams have different branches too, and EHOME among other things has a great Dota 2 team iirc | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 01 2012 09:00 Eee wrote: thank you for explaining (and not bashing me for questioning you XD) NP | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 01 2012 09:07 CeriseCherries wrote: ...if i am reading this properly it doesn't mean only SC2 organization. these teams have different branches too, and EHOME among other things has a great Dota 2 team iirc Yes all of these are multi gaming organisations, but since most of these organisations have sc2 lineups (and eventually will have) I thought it was pretty relevant for sc2. | ||
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Adventurekid
Sweden505 Posts
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rOse_PedaL
Korea (South)450 Posts
lolol TongFu FIGHTING!~ | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
http://games.qq.com/a/20120220/000411.htm translation February 20th, 2012 ACE (Association of China E-sports) created by the many domestic pro-gaming teams. With collectively advance the future of eSports as our objective, we pledge mutual support to fellow professional gaming teams and uphold player rights as our basis. Official microblogger site of ACE http://t.qq.com/Ace-sports Founding membership:： Invictus Gaming (www.igaming.com.cn) http://t.qq.com/igaming World Elite（http://www.teamwe.com/） http://t.qq.com/TeamWE Tylong Gaming（http://www.tyloogaming.com/） http://t.qq.com/tylookd Team DK http://t.qq.com/DK_TEAM LGD-Gaming http://t.qq.com/LGD_sGty PanDarea http://t.qq.com/Pandarea AgFox http://t.qq.com/AgFoxClan ForLove Gaming http://t.qq.com/DT_love2011 DT_Club http://t.qq.com/Dt_club TongFu http://t.qq.com/tongfu_2011 ACE Management: Secretary: Pei Yui (King) from World Elite Assistant Secretary: Wang Qi (Knight) from Invictus Gaming Peng Fei (Farseer) from Team DK Full Member: Yu Hao (mouse) from TyLoo Gaming Pan Jie (RURU) from LGD Gaming Liu Yuan (Efeng) from PanDarea Pan Shuli (ZQ) from AgFox Liu Pei (Kaka) from ForLove Wan Wan (Knife) from DT_Club Cu Zen (CuZn) from TongFu | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On March 06 2012 16:15 mrRoflpwn wrote: Im surprised that they have started an organization before even the koreans. This should be good for the players and teams. well, the koreans did start an organization. it just wasn't... organized well enough. (SC2Con) and then died We shall have to see if this organization is able to actually do anything when/if (needed), and not get disbanded.. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Scorah
United States45 Posts
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