Chinese Teams Establish ACE - Page 3

babylon

8765 Posts

March 01 2012 00:04 GMT

#41

On March 01 2012 08:50 Skullflower wrote:
Isn't Ehome a Chinese organization? Why are they absent from this?

Yes, EHOME is Chinese. I'm kind of curious about their absence too, but to be fair, I don't know what their SC2 division looks like. ReMinD's been playing a bit of SC2, but just barely as far as I can tell.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

March 01 2012 00:05 GMT

#42

Very interesting, gonna wait until they have to make teh tough decisions before placing faith in such am ove.

CeriseCherries

6170 Posts

March 01 2012 00:07 GMT

#43

On March 01 2012 09:04 babylon wrote:

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...if i am reading this properly it doesn't mean only SC2 organization. these teams have different branches too, and EHOME among other things has a great Dota 2 team iirc

zul

Germany5427 Posts

March 01 2012 00:08 GMT

#44

WE, Tyloo and Panda are established chinese eSports Teams, but the rest I don`t know much about. Some names I heard for the first time today. And I followed the chinese WC3 scene for quiet some time.

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

March 01 2012 00:08 GMT

#45

On March 01 2012 09:00 Eee wrote:

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On March 01 2012 08:51 Azarkon wrote:

On March 01 2012 08:22 Eee wrote:

On March 01 2012 08:18 Azarkon wrote:

On March 01 2012 07:50 Eee wrote:

On March 01 2012 07:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
I haven't been too impressed by China yet and I rarely see its players, so hopefully this organization solves those issues.

I think the main problem is that it's pretty hard to get a visa to EU/US. three examples from major events:
- The Blizzcon China qualifier winners couldn't participate in Blizzcon because their VISA's were not granted
- Infi from Tyloo gaming was supposed to be in attendance at Dreamhack Valencia but was not granted VISA (I believe?)
- IEM has a slot for a chinese player at each of their events, still they've been struggling to actually get a Chinese in attendance due to Visa problems.

Yeah, there's a huge difference between getting a VISA from China to the EU/US and getting a VISA from South Korea to the EU/US. But it's not just a case of the EU/US not wanting to let them in; China also doesn't like letting them out.

If this is going to change, it'll have to be change on both ends. By banding together, ACE has a better chance of lobbying the Chinese government than the teams would be on their own. But they have to overcome an entrenched conservatism on the part of the Chinese government, which is not friendly towards games and other forms of non-educational media content.

In recent years, the Chinese government has banned a huge number of entertainment shows and media content in China on the basis that they are corrupting the youth. Esports can very easily be cast as a sort of Marxist opiate of the masses, and if that happens then that's the end of Esports in China. The key for ACE will be to try and appeal to the same kind of sentiment that supports physical sports in China - as a way for the country to gain face.

Can you explain this a bit more? It seems a bit overexxagerated?

Edit: For example China has always been one of the most important countries in other esport titles such as cs, wc3 and DOTA and have hosted many major events there, and foreign teams/players have never had any troubles getting there. And also as far as I remember, in wc3 the chinese players never really had any troubles getting to the foreign tournaments (Which where based in EU). That problem seems to be mainly China/US from what I've understand, rather than China/US but why doesn't the chinese government to grant the players travelling to China? I'd like to point out that this problem is also common for the ukrainian/russian scene.

Going into China from the US/EU is pretty easy.

Going into the US/EU from China is not, and this seems to be an US/EU specific thing as Chinese players have few issues attending Korean and SEA tournaments.

In WC 3, most of the tournaments were hosted in China, Korea, and the EU. The EU is a problem for Chinese players and they did have VISA problems - ie: http://www.gotfrag.com/war/story/36455/

"Of course we want to be on safe side with picking up another Korean player but not only to avoid visa problems, also for online matches since we all know how bad the Chinese internet connection is. Anyway, this does not mean that our Chinese players won't play for us in WC3L or NGL anymore and furthermore we will give our best that players like Sky and TeD will get their visa for the next time." - manager of World Elite circa 2007

There were a number of WC 3 tournaments hosted in the EU which did not have Chinese players, but most people did not pay enough attention to the WC 3 scene to notice the absence.

The problem is not so much that it's impossible for them to get their VISAs approved as that it's time and resource-consuming. A Chinese team would have to apply for VISA way in advance for their players and still run the risk of getting rejected the first time through. As for reasons, this discussion has been had on this board before and I think people mentioned both issues on the EU/US side and issues on the Chinese side.

Tournament organizers do not want to take this risk, and Chinese teams aren't eager to take it, either, especially in SC 2 where their players aren't top 3 like they would be in WC 3 or Dota. The money is another factor, but a lot of EU/US tournaments do subsidize travel and the Chinese teams aren't that poor, so they can afford the travel if they wanted to. But the VISA issue is problematic because it means you can't count on Chinese players making tournaments so if you invite them, you take a risk.

thank you for explaining (and not bashing me for questioning you XD)

Eee

Sweden2712 Posts

March 01 2012 00:48 GMT

#46

On March 01 2012 09:07 CeriseCherries wrote:

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...if i am reading this properly it doesn't mean only SC2 organization. these teams have different branches too, and EHOME among other things has a great Dota 2 team iirc

Yes all of these are multi gaming organisations, but since most of these organisations have sc2 lineups (and eventually will have) I thought it was pretty relevant for sc2.

Adventurekid

Sweden505 Posts

March 06 2012 06:07 GMT

#47

This is awesome.

rOse_PedaL

Korea (South)450 Posts

March 06 2012 06:11 GMT

#48

On March 01 2012 06:52 1Eris1 wrote:

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Just the name alone should be enough

lolol TongFu FIGHTING!~

Primadog

United States4411 Posts

March 06 2012 06:48 GMT

#49

More info came out from their QQ page:
http://games.qq.com/a/20120220/000411.htm

translation

February 20th, 2012

ACE (Association of China E-sports) created by the many domestic pro-gaming teams. With collectively advance the future of eSports as our objective, we pledge mutual support to fellow professional gaming teams and uphold player rights as our basis.

Official microblogger site of ACE
http://t.qq.com/Ace-sports

Founding membership:：

Invictus Gaming (www.igaming.com.cn)
http://t.qq.com/igaming

World Elite（http://www.teamwe.com/）
http://t.qq.com/TeamWE

Tylong Gaming（http://www.tyloogaming.com/）
http://t.qq.com/tylookd

Team DK
http://t.qq.com/DK_TEAM

LGD-Gaming
http://t.qq.com/LGD_sGty

PanDarea
http://t.qq.com/Pandarea

AgFox
http://t.qq.com/AgFoxClan

ForLove Gaming
http://t.qq.com/DT_love2011

DT_Club
http://t.qq.com/Dt_club

TongFu
http://t.qq.com/tongfu_2011

[image loading]

ACE Management:

Secretary:
Pei Yui (King) from World Elite

Assistant Secretary:
Wang Qi (Knight) from Invictus Gaming
Peng Fei (Farseer) from Team DK

Full Member:
Yu Hao (mouse) from TyLoo Gaming
Pan Jie (RURU) from LGD Gaming
Liu Yuan (Efeng) from PanDarea
Pan Shuli (ZQ) from AgFox
Liu Pei (Kaka) from ForLove
Wan Wan (Knife) from DT_Club
Cu Zen (CuZn) from TongFu

JiYan

United States3668 Posts

March 06 2012 06:56 GMT

#50

i just wish we could see more of their coverage =\. without many translators its hard

Primadog

United States4411 Posts

March 06 2012 07:02 GMT

#51

There're surprising number of of TLers that can read chinese - Blasterion, Mobius_1, YMCApylons, myself - just off the top of my head. Really an issue of organizing ourselves to produce translations on regular basis like the KR -> EN folks in BW.

mrRoflpwn

United States2618 Posts

March 06 2012 07:15 GMT

#52

Im surprised that they have started an organization before even the koreans. This should be good for the players and teams.

zhurai

United States5660 Posts

March 06 2012 07:26 GMT

#53

On March 06 2012 16:15 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Im surprised that they have started an organization before even the koreans. This should be good for the players and teams.

well, the koreans did start an organization. it just wasn't... organized well enough.

(SC2Con)

and then died

We shall have to see if this organization is able to actually do anything when/if (needed), and not get disbanded..