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I think that if MLG wants to generate revenues, then instead of PPV events like this, they should do like GSL does and offer yearly tickets. They should also model their website after GOMtv's so subscribers (as I am with GSL) can easily follow and watch their vods as if they were watching live.
I know that on weekends, I'm just too busy with my family (wife and twin girls 6 years old) to dedicate the entire weekend to watching MLG. My favorite sport is NFL which is why I use it in all my examples, and even then, with my favorite team playing, I get attitude from my wife when I tell her to leave me alone so I can watch my team play (I also pay for my season seats when they are home games).
Point is that maybe if MLG had say a $100/year rate like GSL did this last year for early subscribers, then people would be more apt to buy it. I know that I can justify spending $100/year for something more than I can justify $20 here, $20 there, over and over and over again. Will that $20 add up to $100 in the year? Maybe yes, maybe no. Even if MLG did this 5 times a year at $20 a clip, for whatever reason, I'd rather just pay the money one time, upfront, to know that whenever an MLG event (arena, cities, etc) was on, all I would need to do is log in and watch. Having to pull out my card each time I want to watch something is more of a pain in the ass than anything. My peace of mind is worth $20, and having to pay each time I want to watch an event is anything but "customer friendly".
BTW, I spend $200 this weekend going to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. Guess what? I bought a YEARLY FAMILY PASS for $80. I then bought IMAX and Planetarium tickets (part of the museum) so we could watch some cool space and dinosaur stuff. All in all, $200. Why did I buy the yearly pass when I could have only payed a fraction of that to go into the museum? Because my peace of mind knowing that any time I want to go there, all I have to do is walk in was well worth the extra up front money. MLG needs to do this. GSL figured it out, so hopefully MLG will as well.
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On February 27 2012 15:00 Rassy wrote:
Wont pay ever.
What is this bs btw that mlg HAS to make profit?
Mlg does not have to make a profit.
Tons of people in tons of different sports organise tournaments not to make profit but because they love a certain sport.
They try to break even and they dont try to make monney from it.
Like for example badminton, or darts or near anny other smaller sports.
Where did this weird idea come from to monetise sc tournaments, and try make profit from it? its just greed.
Its outrageous that they have been selling this as "needed to safe esports and sc",such a bs.
Sc does not need to be safed, the tournaments are more popular then ever.
They just trying to cash in on the hype.
How much profit did mlg make btw?
Ummm I'm sure MLG would like to break even before they start making profit.
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I definitely enjoyed this weekend, and would buy the next arena at 20 dollars, but realistically, I think 10-15 is gonna end up working better for MLG. No matter how much they charge, some will view it as too much, but, whatever, I can skip 3 meals from Burger King over the next month and it's money well spent!
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The whole idea to try monetise sc and make profit from organising a tournament series is weird.
If add revenu are not enough to cover a tournament in ny with no audience , flights and accomodation paid, no doubt highly paid staff members and a profit on top of it,
Then the monney just is not there, and then you should just make cheaper tournaments.
Pay the casters less, Pay the staff less, make it internet if noone is allowed to watch it live annyway.
You people at mlg want to much from sc, while sc and esports is still in its infancy.
Asking people who bought the game for 50$ to pay 20$ to watch 1 weekend tournament and spend 100$ a year, just on watching the game is so out of proportion.
Sc is just one of the games people watch, what if lol and dota and every other game also gonna charge to watch their tournaments?
Before you know it you looking at 100$ a month just to watch a few games you like.
Imagine having to pay for all sports you see on tv.
Even the smaller sports, who cant make lots of monney from adds, are free on tv.
so why cant sc be?
meh, will leave this now and not come back to this.
People dont even understand the difference between breaking even and making a profit
If you dont make a profit, it does not mean that you go bankrupt
You go bankrupt if you make a loss.
Between loss and profit is a somewhat small area of break even,
also stop saying that people who are opposed against this model are against esports to grow.
thats the most stupid thing ever. ><
Realy disapointed in the way the people in favor of this model are pressing their case,there no normal arguments
as soon as you dont agree or see it their way you are someone who wants to kill esports LOL
i understand that monney needs to come in,i object where they are trying to find the monney
They trying to find the monney with the fans, instead of trying to find the monney in the big cooperations.
Even darts does not make their monney from fans, they make it from sponsorships and adds and there is monney in darts, a dutch guy made more then 1 million from darts and related sponsor contracts.
Why does sc need to get their monney from the fans?
I dont believe that it is needed at all as there are manny tournaments wich have coped without so far
dAPhREAk Japan. February 27 2012 17:16. Posts 2872
you should become a psych as you have such an excelent judgement of character.
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My problem is that I'm usually busy on the weekends. With MLG I try to watch what I can, but its usually just a few games here, a few games there. I would have tuned in for most of today, but $20 is a lot of money for one afternoon of games. Watching on friday and saturday was pretty much out of the question for me though.
Plus, paying money for an event without crowds is tough to justify in my opinion. If it was $5 I would have paid for just the last day, maaaaybe $10. But $20 is a heck of a lot to ask for one day of games with no crowd.
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Great games but the terrible terrible lag and log in bugs are completely unacceptable after dropping $20 for just this single event. I'll let the next one pass me by until I hear that they have those issues resolved.
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i might consider paying if i was going to watch all weekend, but i don't really have the patience for that and the vods are free in a week anyway. if it was $5 or $10 i'd probably pay though, we'll have to see what type of pricing they come up with.
it would be really nice if there was some tiered pricing, so i could pay $5 for just the winner bracket, or just sunday, or 240p, or whatever. they might be able to keep the customers they had at $20 and add a few more who can chip in $5 and use up less bandwidth. just a thought >.>
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Yes. The amount of content and the matchups alone were worth paying for. $15 is a little more reasonable, but I don't mind $20.
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As a kid with no income, I'd have to say that i'd be hardpressed to pay up the money, i wish there was a survey or something i could do. Personally 20$ isn't that much money for that amount of enterntainment and people seem to be griping about hte smallest details that really wouldn't matter unless you were watching at 720+ ratio with terrible internet. I heard there were some problems but i would atleast try it, 20$ isn't something that would give me a heavy buyers remorse.
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It will be dependent on the price. The tournament was great, but even so, 20 bucks is too high. It needs to be 15 bucks maximum. And you can't compare the price of Arena to the price of dinner. MLG is a luxury. I don't have to buy it. The MLG price is high for a SC2 tournament.
But I think Sundance has hinted at the price being adjusted for future Arenas. I can only believe it will be lowered. So it's probably reasonable to expect next Arena to be 15 or maybe even less.
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If they lower the price, I will buy it for sure. From what I saw on the Red Bull stream, or whatever it was called, it seemed like good times, if not a bit dead, due to no crowd.
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As a european the time is pretty bad and on top of that twitch is awful, the stream was completely unwatchable for me yesterday.
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On February 27 2012 15:00 Rassy wrote:
Wont pay ever.
What is this bs btw that mlg HAS to make profit?
Mlg does not have to make a profit.
Tons of people in tons of different sports organise tournaments not to make profit but because they love a certain sport.
They try to break even and they dont try to make monney from it.
Like for example badminton, or darts or near anny other smaller sports.
Where did this weird idea come from to monetise sc tournaments, and try make profit from it? its just greed.
Its outrageous that they have been selling this as "needed to safe esports and sc",such a bs.
Sc does not need to be safed, the tournaments are more popular then ever.
They just trying to cash in on the hype.
How much profit did mlg make btw?
If MLG can't make a profit, how can you expect them or any league for that matter to be able to self sustain and not go bankrupt? They can only pull so much money from investors, and in order for those investors to feel safe and happy, MLG has to show that they can make back what they spend and then more. If not, those investors will simply pull out and the business is dead. This holds true for every league, with the exception of IPL because IGN backs them and that's a different case, but every other league has to be able to self-sustain eventually, and better sooner than later. It's not greed, it's just common sense that a business only has so much capital and can only spend the money that it has.
Sorry to go off topic, but to be on topic, I enjoyed the Arena this weekend and for me it was worth the price this weekend. I'm not saying it should always be $20, but overall many of the games were very good, the players were top class for the most part and the production was good as well.
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The only thing that I really liked about it was the amazing lineup of players. If it wasn't for Barcraft and I had to buy a ticket, then i probably wouldn't have done so. I think the pricing really left a sour note in a lot of people's mouths compared to what else is on offer (e.g. GSL, Assembly). The production value isn't on par with what I've come to expect of MLG and there wasn't that feeling of excitement due to the fact that this is a 'closed' event. I would've paid for it if it was $10, but these days my interest in Starcraft 2 just isn't fervent enough to warrant spending $20 on a 3day tournament
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On February 27 2012 16:51 eLeVaTioN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:00 Rassy wrote:
Wont pay ever.
What is this bs btw that mlg HAS to make profit?
Mlg does not have to make a profit.
Tons of people in tons of different sports organise tournaments not to make profit but because they love a certain sport.
They try to break even and they dont try to make monney from it.
Like for example badminton, or darts or near anny other smaller sports.
Where did this weird idea come from to monetise sc tournaments, and try make profit from it? its just greed.
Its outrageous that they have been selling this as "needed to safe esports and sc",such a bs.
Sc does not need to be safed, the tournaments are more popular then ever.
They just trying to cash in on the hype.
How much profit did mlg make btw? If MLG can't make a profit, how can you expect them or any league for that matter to be able to self sustain and not go bankrupt? They can only pull so much money from investors, and in order for those investors to feel safe and happy, MLG has to show that they can make back what they spend and then more. If not, those investors will simply pull out and the business is dead. This holds true for every league, with the exception of IPL because IGN backs them and that's a different case, but every other league has to be able to self-sustain eventually, and better sooner than later. It's not greed, it's just common sense that a business only has so much capital and can only spend the money that it has. Sorry to go off topic, but to be on topic, I enjoyed the Arena this weekend and for me it was worth the price this weekend. I'm not saying it should always be $20, but overall many of the games were very good, the players were top class for the most part and the production was good as well.
he doesnt want them to make a profit. he wants to mooch off them for as long as he can, and could care less whether they go bankrupt or not (as long as he gets what he wants). its a common personality on the forums.
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Yes, will definitely pay for each one
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I'm sure the MLG marketing people are happy with all these polls but I'm not sure I like having several very similar topics about it on teamliquid. Just saying.
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On February 27 2012 15:00 Rassy wrote:
Wont pay ever.
What is this bs btw that mlg HAS to make profit?
Mlg does not have to make a profit.
Tons of people in tons of different sports organise tournaments not to make profit but because they love a certain sport.
They try to break even and they dont try to make monney from it.
Like for example badminton, or darts or near anny other smaller sports.
Where did this weird idea come from to monetise sc tournaments, and try make profit from it? its just greed.
Its outrageous that they have been selling this as "needed to safe esports and sc",such a bs.
Sc does not need to be safed, the tournaments are more popular then ever.
They just trying to cash in on the hype.
How much profit did mlg make btw?
Ok. Lets use your darts example. Its a "small" sport because there is no money in it. Players get paid next to nothing and as result the industry around the sport is non-existant.
E-sports is in the same state right now. There are plenty of amateur tournaments that you can watch for FREE. But people like Sundance are trying to build an industry around E-sports. This requires INCOME and REVENUE. Sure, if you want players to continue playing for hundreds of dollars a month so that you can continue to watch things for free, that's cool. But you gotta realize that if you think this way, you are in fact, saying that you don't want e-sports to grow. A sport does not grow without money. There is no such as a free lunch. On the flip side, if Sundance were to use profits from these arena tournaments to line his own pocket, you would have a right to complain. But most reasonable people are expecting him to put the money back into e-sports ( salaries, prize pools, equipment ).
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Looks like most of the people who subscribed were impressed enough to pay again. Pretty decent show in my opinion so I agree with those people. I will definitely subscribe to the next one. Great value.
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This MLG poll threads are getting out of control.
Anyhow, I won't be paying subscription fees for Starcraft in the foreseeable future myself. Certainly not for as long as other events are free and everything in Brood War is free. I'd rather donate the equivalent amount of money to a Shoutcraft Invitational for example.
I'm even less inclined to pay to MLG because as far as I'm concerned, they're spending their money irrationally, which means that I would be spending it irrationally as well.
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