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SC2 is placed through a medium where people have a mind blowing amount of entertainment options already at their disposal. You have other games LoL, Dota2 and so forth that are gaining/have quite a following. You have recognised sporting organisations NFL, UEFA and so forth. You have broadcasters like the BBC. Even Australian TV stations allow you to view shows online. Streams, news sites, forums, Youtube and even the illegal things like torrents to get shows or other places to watch things. Not all are free on that list of course. But nor was the MLG Arena.
So I don't like the wording of can't pay. Making a decision based on your personal preferences not to buy a product doesn't mean you can't. To say you just can't afford something takes away the fact that people made their own personal informed decisions with regards to MLG this weekend be it paying or not.
To try and say what the event had effect wise on the SC2 community is something only time will tell. MLG success on a small scale with PPV might ensure a return on investment with a low margin that stagnants growth as other tournaments take it up. Or it might also flop and no model currently for the production requirement that people are demanding is sustainable with current viewership. It could the saviour at a lower price point, or even be amazing at $20. Only time will tell.
I didn't pay the $20 because I didn't personally see the value in it. The players I can see elsewhere easily, the prize pool was average and I felt like I could get better entertainment value elsewhere for $20 in this case. I'm not a hardcore SC2 fan. I watch it for fun and I do pay for gomtv, I lurk on forums but I feel no need to see everything all the time. So take my opinion as you will.
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On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports.
I support esports, just not MLG.
Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there?
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On February 27 2012 14:19 Takkara wrote:
I don't know if I'll subscribe in the future.
Things pointing to me subscribing again:
Tastosis
Great talent
Multi-stream format along with other production value adds
Things pointing to me not subscribing again:
Fairly expensive compared to other similar products
Twitch.tv provided a terrible viewing experience (laggy, lower quality, constant reauthing, stream crashing)
Outside of Tastosis I don't think I'm getting the casting experience I want
All of this is completely subjective, I understand that and offer it up in that vein. I would like to continue to support MLG because I appreciate how hard they work, but I'm not sure if they earned my money with this first outing. Perhaps if they acknowledge the streaming issues, make some room for press/fans, and perhaps drop the price slightly, then I'll be back 200%,
Exactly my view on this as well.
Hearing Sundance say "twitch has been an incredible partner for this" (ESPORTS interview) was a bit disappointing in that regard. Will have to see if they say anything regarding this because I don't consider $20 for an SD or worse quality stream worth it.
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i thought the stream quality was amazing until the finals. I want to buy it next time but no not for $20. cant do it
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not worth it at all im not gona shell out 20 or more bucks 3-4 times a year to watch something when all the vods are gona be out the week after, the people who actually bought that crap are really really really stupid.
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No I did not pay and did not watch. 20$ for a weekend is too much time and too much money. For the MLG events I check out who is playing and when I have free time. I can not spend a whole weekend watching starcraft.
What I would pay for is a few hours of undercard and title match showmatch type thing for like 5$. More PPV one night than whole weekend.
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I'm undecided and I did subscribe this time. I'd actually feel better paying for everything all at once (at discounted price). Like someone said on the first page, there wasn't much added I hadn't already seen before. Multiple stream viewing doesn't much appeal to me since I can only follow one game at a time (although no downtime was a huge plus) and in general I really only cared to watch wheat, tastosis, and JP. I feel bad but Rob really isn't my slice of pie, he just seems to be trying WAY to hard to put on an act when the cameras are on.
The games were awesome and I didn't experience significant tech issues. Overall I'm happy but I'm not sure the PPV added enough to the viewer experience to be worth 20 again. Hope the price drops or they give us an all inclusive, yearly sub plan similar to GSL.
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On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports. I support esports, just not MLG. Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there?
Do you buy products?
Do you pay for other tournaments?
Do you pay for coaching?
Do you contribute directly to any players/casters? (what reddit community did for mkp and day9)
How do you support esports?
I'd say MLG contributes to esports more than anything else in the world.
They have a big variety of games
They have a variety of apparel
They pay for their players to play
They have competitive prizes
They are highly involved in the community
You can't really say that you fully support esports if you don't support MLG imo. (not that you said fully, I'm just saying)
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I regret not buying the PPV, I will next time.
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On February 28 2012 13:50 Soft`Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports. I support esports, just not MLG. Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there? Do you buy products? Do you pay for other tournaments? Do you pay for coaching? Do you contribute directly to any players/casters? (what reddit community did for mkp and day9) How do you support esports? I'd say MLG contributes to esports more than anything else in the world. They have a big variety of games They have a variety of apparel They pay for their players to play They have competitive prizes They are highly involved in the community You can't really say that you fully support esports if you don't support MLG imo. (not that you said fully, I'm just saying)
So I'm assuming you do ALL of those things, including pay for GOM, pay for HQ qual of tournaments that sell that, pay for all extra content everywhere possibly for ALL esport games? If no, then you're clearly not supporting esports (according to your own twisted view of what support is)
People have got to get off their high horse and think that MLG is the best and one and only thing to support out there. Following your logic anyone who doesn't give money to GOM isn't fully supporting esports.
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I was one of those that coughed up the 20$. Initially i said that it was totally worth it but looking at it at from a retrospect i can say that the only thing that made it worth the money was the games. Well then you can say that MLG bought their plane tickets and those were not cheap and this was the only way they could finance the event and without that this wouldn't have happened. But, it feels like they are taking a advantage of the core fans and did little to polish their product when it came to overall production. We were promised a event that would blow our minds but other then the games that MLG had little to do with i felt that this was a thing MLG tried to se if they could bring in some easy $. The lack of audience and the total lack of prize ceremony was painful and even the players felt that it was sad to travel and not to play in front of foreign fans.
I wont comment on the Twitch LAG history because i think it's been beaten to death and next time MLG wont use twitch(they are really stupid if they do and keept the 20$ tag).
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I'd pay 20$ again if it was pretty much the same thing minus the lag. I was pretty upset that, given something I had paid for to be in HD, I strictly had to watch it at the lowest setting in order for it to not lag constantly (it still lagged). I tried many other streams, restarting internet, fiddling with options--it was very much on their end of the issues and it was a little disappointing. Well, very disappointing.
The good part of it though was every match felt like it was a grand finals match and honestly the grand finals were pretty fucking tense. I wanted MarineKing Prime to win -so- badly and when he did and the shot of him with his head down was shown I was -way- too excited.
If it weren't for how absurdly amazing and awesome every match I saw was then I'd be a lot more upset. I have no idea what was wrong with their stream, but it was brutal. Some games I just had to listen to artosis lull me with that sexy ass voice.
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Bought it, would probably buy it again too (as long as they aren't too often). I was pretty annoyed about how easy it was to find free streams or workarounds. Psychologically this devalued the product for me.
Everyone has already mentioned most of the problems, but overall I enjoyed the viewing experience. One thing this whole experiment taught me is how extremely fickle SC2 fans are.
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No, still think 20 bucks is too much.
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On February 28 2012 13:56 hashaki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 13:50 Soft`Soap wrote:On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports. I support esports, just not MLG. Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there? Do you buy products? Do you pay for other tournaments? Do you pay for coaching? Do you contribute directly to any players/casters? (what reddit community did for mkp and day9) How do you support esports? I'd say MLG contributes to esports more than anything else in the world. They have a big variety of games They have a variety of apparel They pay for their players to play They have competitive prizes They are highly involved in the community You can't really say that you fully support esports if you don't support MLG imo. (not that you said fully, I'm just saying) So I'm assuming you do ALL of those things, including pay for GOM, pay for HQ qual of tournaments that sell that, pay for all extra content everywhere possibly for ALL esport games? If no, then you're clearly not support esports (according to your own twisted view of what support is) People have got to get off their high horse and think that MLG is the best and one and only thing to support out there. Following your logic anyone who doesn't give money to GOM isn't fully supporting esports.
No, I don't do all those things
I never once said that you need all of that to support e-sports either
i'm simply asking what YOU do
and by your answer it seems that you do nothing but watch free streams (probably with ad block)
Personally, I pay for GSL and MLG.
I also didn't watch more than 2 games of MLG this weekend and I probably won't get to watch them for another week and I don't care that they will be free.
I'm also a full time university student living on my own off a part time income, so it's not like I have so much money that I don't know what to do with it.
So, let me ask you again
how do YOU support esports?
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On February 27 2012 12:41 Jibba wrote:
I'll be waiting for the caster information before deciding. It just didn't live up to my expectations. On the whole, I thought Assembly's casting was much better. Much of the casting added very little to the games, and some of it made the games annoying to watch. I used mute more than I usually do.
The production quality was very good, but I wouldn't say it was excellent. The cast of players was incredible, but it actually seemed like there was less player coverage than usual. I think there was just one and sometimes two interviews for many (not all) of the players, which is a lot less extra coverage than I expected, given it took place in MLG's office and they had extra streams all the time.
The streaming interface and JTV definitely had issues as well, although I'm not sure how strongly that factors into my decision.
Agreed
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On February 28 2012 14:04 Soft`Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 13:56 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 13:50 Soft`Soap wrote:On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports. I support esports, just not MLG. Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there? Do you buy products? Do you pay for other tournaments? Do you pay for coaching? Do you contribute directly to any players/casters? (what reddit community did for mkp and day9) How do you support esports? I'd say MLG contributes to esports more than anything else in the world. They have a big variety of games They have a variety of apparel They pay for their players to play They have competitive prizes They are highly involved in the community You can't really say that you fully support esports if you don't support MLG imo. (not that you said fully, I'm just saying) So I'm assuming you do ALL of those things, including pay for GOM, pay for HQ qual of tournaments that sell that, pay for all extra content everywhere possibly for ALL esport games? If no, then you're clearly not support esports (according to your own twisted view of what support is) People have got to get off their high horse and think that MLG is the best and one and only thing to support out there. Following your logic anyone who doesn't give money to GOM isn't fully supporting esports. No, I don't do all those things I never once said that you need all of that to support e-sports either i'm simply asking what YOU do and by your answer it seems that you do nothing but watch free streams (probably with ad block) Personally, I pay for GSL and MLG. I also didn't watch more than 2 games of MLG this weekend and I probably won't get to watch them for another week and I don't care that they will be free. I'm also a full time university student living on my own off a part time income, so it's not like I have so much money that I don't know what to do with it. So, let me ask you again how do YOU support esports?
On February 28 2012 14:04 Soft`Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 13:56 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 13:50 Soft`Soap wrote:On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports. I support esports, just not MLG. Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there? Do you buy products? Do you pay for other tournaments? Do you pay for coaching? Do you contribute directly to any players/casters? (what reddit community did for mkp and day9) How do you support esports? I'd say MLG contributes to esports more than anything else in the world. They have a big variety of games They have a variety of apparel They pay for their players to play They have competitive prizes They are highly involved in the community You can't really say that you fully support esports if you don't support MLG imo. (not that you said fully, I'm just saying) So I'm assuming you do ALL of those things, including pay for GOM, pay for HQ qual of tournaments that sell that, pay for all extra content everywhere possibly for ALL esport games? If no, then you're clearly not support esports (according to your own twisted view of what support is) People have got to get off their high horse and think that MLG is the best and one and only thing to support out there. Following your logic anyone who doesn't give money to GOM isn't fully supporting esports. No, I don't do all those things I never once said that you need all of that to support e-sports either i'm simply asking what YOU do and by your answer it seems that you do nothing but watch free streams (probably with ad block) Personally, I pay for GSL and MLG. I also didn't watch more than 2 games of MLG this weekend and I probably won't get to watch them for another week and I don't care that they will be free. I'm also a full time university student living on my own off a part time income, so it's not like I have so much money that I don't know what to do with it. So, let me ask you again how do YOU support esports?
I hate this kind of argument. E-sports should be worth the money you spend on it because it is awesome. NOT because you feel some pity/obligation to donate. There is a lot more worthy charities in this world than e-sports. The pity dollar shouldn't be a long term goal or one that will grow e-sports past anything than a niche market. The sooner people get off this silly notion of everyone has to support e-sports and cough up whatever money is asked of them, the better the products and the growth of the community will be imho.
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the whole weekend was worth it...except day9 not being there...didnt like the other streams casters AT ALL!
and the ending was soooo BAD i didnt know what to make of it...i had the stream up for an hour after to see if there was a ceremony...and there was not...
didnt seem like ane end to a tournament...just an end to one of the beginning days
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10 bucks for a 2 hour movie, 20 bucks for a fantastic weekend of SC2. Easy.
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On February 28 2012 14:29 Woshie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 14:04 Soft`Soap wrote:On February 28 2012 13:56 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 13:50 Soft`Soap wrote:On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports. I support esports, just not MLG. Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there? Do you buy products? Do you pay for other tournaments? Do you pay for coaching? Do you contribute directly to any players/casters? (what reddit community did for mkp and day9) How do you support esports? I'd say MLG contributes to esports more than anything else in the world. They have a big variety of games They have a variety of apparel They pay for their players to play They have competitive prizes They are highly involved in the community You can't really say that you fully support esports if you don't support MLG imo. (not that you said fully, I'm just saying) So I'm assuming you do ALL of those things, including pay for GOM, pay for HQ qual of tournaments that sell that, pay for all extra content everywhere possibly for ALL esport games? If no, then you're clearly not support esports (according to your own twisted view of what support is) People have got to get off their high horse and think that MLG is the best and one and only thing to support out there. Following your logic anyone who doesn't give money to GOM isn't fully supporting esports. No, I don't do all those things I never once said that you need all of that to support e-sports either i'm simply asking what YOU do and by your answer it seems that you do nothing but watch free streams (probably with ad block) Personally, I pay for GSL and MLG. I also didn't watch more than 2 games of MLG this weekend and I probably won't get to watch them for another week and I don't care that they will be free. I'm also a full time university student living on my own off a part time income, so it's not like I have so much money that I don't know what to do with it. So, let me ask you again how do YOU support esports? Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 14:04 Soft`Soap wrote:On February 28 2012 13:56 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 13:50 Soft`Soap wrote:On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.
People need to stop being cheap and support eSports. I support esports, just not MLG. Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there? Do you buy products? Do you pay for other tournaments? Do you pay for coaching? Do you contribute directly to any players/casters? (what reddit community did for mkp and day9) How do you support esports? I'd say MLG contributes to esports more than anything else in the world. They have a big variety of games They have a variety of apparel They pay for their players to play They have competitive prizes They are highly involved in the community You can't really say that you fully support esports if you don't support MLG imo. (not that you said fully, I'm just saying) So I'm assuming you do ALL of those things, including pay for GOM, pay for HQ qual of tournaments that sell that, pay for all extra content everywhere possibly for ALL esport games? If no, then you're clearly not support esports (according to your own twisted view of what support is) People have got to get off their high horse and think that MLG is the best and one and only thing to support out there. Following your logic anyone who doesn't give money to GOM isn't fully supporting esports. No, I don't do all those things I never once said that you need all of that to support e-sports either i'm simply asking what YOU do and by your answer it seems that you do nothing but watch free streams (probably with ad block) Personally, I pay for GSL and MLG. I also didn't watch more than 2 games of MLG this weekend and I probably won't get to watch them for another week and I don't care that they will be free. I'm also a full time university student living on my own off a part time income, so it's not like I have so much money that I don't know what to do with it. So, let me ask you again how do YOU support esports? I hate this kind of argument. E-sports should be worth the money you spend on it because it is awesome. NOT because you feel some pity/obligation to donate. There is a lot more worthy charities in this world than e-sports. The pity dollar shouldn't be a long term goal or one that will grow e-sports past anything than a niche market. The sooner people get off this silly notion of everyone has to support e-sports and cough up whatever money is asked of them, the better the products and the growth of the community will be imho.
I never said it was a charity, I don't see where you are getting this notion from.
I paid the 20 dollars because I feel that the content is awesome and worth watching, regardless if it's free at the time that I am able to watch it or not.
Also, I don't think there are many people who feel pity/obligation to 'donate' into esports. It's not like somebody is passing around a basket for you to donate and watching you to see how much money you are going to donate.
If I pay is because I feel it's worth my money, and because I enjoy it. Simple as that
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