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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
February 28 2012 05:39 GMT
#161
Sundance turned me into a believer. Depending on the players and casters it will be an easy $20 to spend.
battyone
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States180 Posts
February 28 2012 05:45 GMT
#162
Unless something catastrophic happens in my life and I can't afford it, I will definately buy another MLG Arena Weekend. Matches were top notch, and I didn't have lag issues (besides the cutout in 3set finals ). Overview mode was awesome, and the speed with witch matches got played really impressed me. I still have a few matches I need to VOD.

Quality games, quality players, low downtime, and a fast pace made me a happy camper.
Let's Go Mets!
Vash_SC2
Profile Joined January 2012
United States122 Posts
February 28 2012 05:47 GMT
#163
On February 28 2012 13:43 hashaki wrote:
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On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.

People need to stop being cheap and support eSports.


I support esports, just not MLG.

Got any other stupid arguments to throw out there?

hahahahaha moron

User was temp banned for this post.
"Own-ed" - CatZ
bovineblitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
February 28 2012 05:53 GMT
#164
I feel really bad for the players that flew thousands of miles and lost their first two matches. They didn't even have a crowd to cheer them on and interact with them, they just had to face cold hard failure in a room filled only with competitors and crew.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
February 28 2012 05:55 GMT
#165
On February 28 2012 14:53 bovineblitz wrote:
I feel really bad for the players that flew thousands of miles and lost their first two matches. They didn't even have a crowd to cheer them on and interact with them, they just had to face cold hard failure in a room filled only with competitors and crew.



That is a pretty ridiculous way to look at it. They got a free trip to fucking new york. I would think they would be stoked. Crowds are awesome, but a well run lan is always fun. Hang out with friends and play starcraft in one of the most awesome cities in the world.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 06:02:12
February 28 2012 06:00 GMT
#166
On February 27 2012 13:56 DrNebula wrote:
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On February 27 2012 13:52 JJH777 wrote:
On February 27 2012 13:48 DrNebula wrote:
On February 27 2012 13:44 JJH777 wrote:
On February 27 2012 13:41 DrNebula wrote:
On February 27 2012 13:20 blade55555 wrote:
On February 27 2012 12:47 Angel_ wrote:
Yes, if it's not $20.

If we're moving into a model where e-sports charges for the event/season/whatever, MLG has definitely demonstrated that their product is worth paying for (and still needs improvement, always), however...it's not worth $20.


This. From what I saw friday it was nice and I would pay but not 20$.



well what would you be willing to pay?? a whole dollar? holy crap 20 bucks is not that much, next time call me and i'll pay for you.


Add up the total amount of games a GSL season will have. Divide that by $15 and then multiply it by the number of games an Arena will have. That is how much I am willing to pay. That would be between 5-6$ I believe.



i don't know what you're career is but i'm sure you would appreciate making a decent amount of money, Sundance is putting all the money he makes back into mlg so by paying 20 bucks your helping keep mlg around, if that's not worth not getting a good game per dollar ratio then that's fine by me, but i will still be paying 20 dollars.


Paying because you felt bad for him is terrible for E-Sports. No one pays for the HD Sports channels because they feel bad for the NFL. Same with UFC or literally anything else people pay for. A business cannot work like that and honestly the fact they went for that angle when advertising the pass and during the interview with him kind of makes me not want to buy the next pass event if they do try to compare to GSL's game/dollar ratio.


wait let me re-read my post to check if i ever said i felt bad for him or mlg, nope i didn't. how come 20 bucks is 1/4 of your life savings to everyone? it's seriously less than you would spend going to a sit down restaurant or to a movie with your girlfriend


If I got shitty service or a bad meal at a restaurant, i'd get a discount/free meal. If the projector at the movies kept flickering on and off, i'd get a refund.

I had insane lag for the majority of an event i paid $20 for. I am still waiting for answers from MLG/Twitch after one email claiming the "issue would be fixed within 20 minutes". Not happy and won't be paying again.

Oh, and the lack of a crowd killed it for me, no matter how good the games/players were. There was no atmosphere, and I wasn't impressed with the casting of JP and Wheat, it just grated on my nerves.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
TrickyGilligan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States641 Posts
February 28 2012 07:41 GMT
#167
I just wanted to point out that I didn't subscribe, still watched, and don't plan to subscribe in the future.

However, I wasn't pirating the games, I watched at a Barcraft. The Barcraft was a fun experience, I'll probably do that for the next MLG PPV event. But I'm never actually going to give MLG that kind of money directly. Even though I'm in the US, I'm west coast, and the times are just kinda awkward. Add to that the fact that I want to do other things than watch Starcraft all weekend, and just watching the finals on Sunday makes way more sense to me.

I do have to say though, there was no analysis or learning going on at the barcraft. I'm going to keep doing free streams at home with friends, and go to barcrafts specifically for PPV events.
"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
February 28 2012 07:46 GMT
#168
No i wont pay or watch MLG, for australia the time difference is just so bad. I have tried watching MLG over a weekend before and came out feeling shit and extremely tired.
OutofmymindSC2
Profile Joined January 2012
Bulgaria80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 07:50:25
February 28 2012 07:49 GMT
#169
No, and I didn't subscribe this time and I didn't watch.

I can list a a million reasons why,but I feel that too many people have done it already.
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
February 28 2012 07:58 GMT
#170
For a lower price (max 10$) and a better caster distribution I may consider purchasing the next one.

I don't want to bash any caster but having (I think it was MKP - Huk) the Winner Bracket finals casted by DjWheat and JP was just... I don't know. Please get atleast one caster who plays the game on a high level per cast (Artosis, one of the players who is good at casting like ThorZaiN, Grubby, who ever wants too) to cast such an important match :/. Two play by play casters (both are decent at what they're doing (play by play), but together the cast lacked depth imo) together makes for a rather awkward/dull/shallow cast.
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
February 28 2012 07:58 GMT
#171
No, i Subcribed this time, but I simply watch to less games, most of the matches are played between 11:00 and 05:00 european time, and I gotta sleep then
- me (L) competitive gaming -
pampelmus
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Switzerland215 Posts
February 28 2012 08:01 GMT
#172
I will pay, if

- The casting gets better (yes, Tastosis was boring too!)
- Player Interviews get interesting (incredibly boring, there's a thread somewhere that brillantly explains it)
- There is more information on the players or storylines

Watching games in 1080p is nice and all, BUT this is possible everywhere, anytime, with all the good streams out there. For $20, I would like to have a little extra: better casting (pros casting is always good, fresh faces also, and casters that don't do what everyone does is good), and more out-of-game content.

Production was great. But Production is getting better everywhere.
I liked Assembly better. Expecially Rotterdam/Bitter and Apollo
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
February 28 2012 08:07 GMT
#173
No, and I didn't subscribe this time and I didn't watch
Ampster
Profile Joined August 2011
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 08:54:24
February 28 2012 08:48 GMT
#174
I will gladly pay for their next arena if they could provide all of the followings in their next arena (which they already did in this arena to some extent),
[O]: Already in existence in the Winter Arena
[X]: Non-existence in the Winter Arena

•More suitable price (price justifies the product) [X]: I will be fine with somewhere between $12-$15 but $12 is more preferable.

•Ad-free [O]

•Minimum lag stream [X]: I know its impossible to run a stream that has no lag across all regions, minimum lag issue is okay, but the lags during Day 3 Winter Arena is kinda meh.

•Highest level of competition (high-level plays) [O]

•Fair production & professionalism [O]

•Minimum downtime [O]

•Minimum technical difficulties [O]

•Restream or rebroadcast from previous day of the event (like we have in MLG Pro Circuit 2011) [X]: Being able to watch the entire or a portion of the previous day of the event that I missed out due to being in different time zone is always better than watching separate VoDs.

•Simple and organised VoD systems

HD resolution, fancy productions, players personalities presentation comes second to all the points I listed above
HD or not: when I'm watching a stream, I don't really care about the resolution as long as there's minimum lag and it is watchable (480p).

Content > Production: I'm looking into the content provided more than the fancy production but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. Its just content (quality of games, competition, caster, observing, etc) is my top priority when I'm watching the stream.

What I like about this Winter Arena event
•Customizable stream features and layouts.
•The event provides full accommodation for the players. ♥

Lack of crowd, lack of energy?
I only cared about the games so the lack of fans cheering doesn't really bother me that much. As long as there's players' personalities in there, its all good for me.

All in all, I hope MLG the best of luck in their next Arena and looking forward possibly buying the ticket for the next Arena as more information come out.

Free stream scenario and my thoughts
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If this event has a free stream option available like other event, I opted to watch the free streams like I always did in other events that have free stream option available for me. 480p or 360p is like no problem for me. And ads in the free streams don't bother me at all because I know I'm watching a free stream. (I guess I'm just a minority) But, that doesn't mean I feel that the ppv model = best model though. I'm not against or for the ppv model, more choice is better than less.
DRG (zvt,zvz) | Stephano (zvp, zvt) | Parting (pvt) || Fantasy (tvt, tvp, fan) | Baby (fan) | Jaedong (fan)
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
February 28 2012 08:59 GMT
#175
I would never subscribe. It just cannot be the future of esports to pay for everytime you want to watch a tournament. Assembly and Dreamhack show how you can have a lag free HD free stream. That's the way it should be.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
February 28 2012 09:04 GMT
#176
On February 28 2012 12:54 vZNuKE wrote:
had no issue at all the entire weekend... 20$ is not alot considering the amount of work that was put into it.

People need to stop being cheap and support eSports.

Oh god how i hate that term "supporting eSport"
How about you pay for it cause you you think it is worth it and not to "support eSport"?
deathzz
Profile Joined September 2011
669 Posts
February 28 2012 09:04 GMT
#177
I feel that mlg should at least have a low quality free stream like gsl. I guess there should be another poll that ask whether people are willing to pay for higher quality stream even if there was a free low quality stream
Korean overlords
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
February 28 2012 09:05 GMT
#178
Sundance Great job! I think you're really on to something here that could change the Esports format. I didn't subscribe, but I def will next time around (I heard from European friends it was amazing etc.) But I was thinking maybe that you could lower the price a little and make great package deals etc. That way you can lure in more customers (like myself) and shut the whiners that complain it's too expensive.
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
Nourek
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany188 Posts
February 28 2012 11:36 GMT
#179
On February 28 2012 17:48 Ampster wrote:
•Restream or rebroadcast from previous day of the event (like we have in MLG Pro Circuit 2011) [X]: Being able to watch the entire or a portion of the previous day of the event that I missed out due to being in different time zone is always better than watching separate VoDs.

You can already do that if you watch the vods directly on twitch.tv's site (e.g. twitch.tv/mlg_arena/videos). Granted, I don't think MLG tells you anywhere how to do that exactly.
Marinechan
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden71 Posts
February 28 2012 11:43 GMT
#180
Absolutely not. Last day of MLG was unwatchable.
Marinesplit, how do I do it?
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