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On February 27 2012 14:14 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:41 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:20 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:47 Angel_ wrote:
Yes, if it's not $20.
If we're moving into a model where e-sports charges for the event/season/whatever, MLG has definitely demonstrated that their product is worth paying for (and still needs improvement, always), however...it's not worth $20. This. From what I saw friday it was nice and I would pay but not 20$. well what would you be willing to pay?? a whole dollar? holy crap 20 bucks is not that much, next time call me and i'll pay for you. $100 is not that much to most people. Would you pay that? Why or why not? Next I'll ask $1000 and so on and you'll have your answer. Relative value.
i can't say what i would be willing to pay for events because i don't know who will be playing, but in this past weekend's events i found the schedule / bracket worth 20 bucks
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From all reports it sounds like it was worth the $20 (though I think a happier pricepoint would be closer to $10), however from my view there was no worth in buying a ticket since I would have only been able to watch 4 hours at most (probably less) since it was a weekend where things happen and things need to be done.
So as a casual viewer, though I think the idea is good, I won't ever be watching them. The PPV aspect of tournaments doesn't turn me off regarding pay, but time and convenience. There's a major convenience in being able to relax for an hour or so in the morning or evening and watch games, but that's all I am: the casual viewer. PPV events aren't made for me anyway =(
Not a complaint, just a perspective.
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To those "omg it's just a dinner, just fork over $20" people, do you understand prices? You pay what you think is fair for something, and if it's a little high you try to get a more fair price. It's seen with big purchases (you'd never pay sticker price for a car), but the principle is the same for this. If you think it's worth $10 or $15 or $5 what's wrong with voicing that? I'm sure people would be able to tell you what they want if they pay $20 for it, no reason to berate people for feeling that their money was a fair amount for what they got in return.
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On February 27 2012 14:19 bittman wrote:
From all reports it sounds like it was worth the $20 (though I think a happier pricepoint would be closer to $10), however from my view there was no worth in buying a ticket since I would have only been able to watch 4 hours at most (probably less) since it was a weekend where things happen and things need to be done.
So as a casual viewer, though I think the idea is good, I won't ever be watching them. The PPV aspect of tournaments doesn't turn me off regarding pay, but time and convenience. There's a major convenience in being able to relax for an hour or so in the morning or evening and watch games, but that's all I am: the casual viewer. PPV events aren't made for me anyway =(
Not a complaint, just a perspective.
agreed, i on the other hand was able to watch all weekend, so the 20 bucks was 20 well spent because i watched almost every single game, but i understand your point.
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Yes, even though im from Western Australia and slept through most of it and had to leave for work during the finals. Great tournament with some fucking fantastic games!
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free stream bug is not the bad......lawl. MLG will never get a cent out of me, and i''ll just wait for a week if i can't find a restream. i admit that i'm a cheap ass, but that's just the way people like me are.
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On February 27 2012 14:22 Zdrastochye wrote:
To those "omg it's just a dinner, just fork over $20" people, do you understand prices? You pay what you think is fair for something, and if it's a little high you try to get a more fair price. It's seen with big purchases (you'd never pay sticker price for a car), but the principle is the same for this. If you think it's worth $10 or $15 or $5 what's wrong with voicing that? I'm sure people would be able to tell you what they want if they pay $20 for it, no reason to berate people for feeling that their money was a fair amount for what they got in return.
lol I guess that's why convenience stores exist. People seem to forget value as price approaches zero. I don't and I don't shop at convenience stores either.
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Grubby did an amazing job casting the couple of games he did and I think he would be a great addition, I couldnt stand Tumba or the other solo caster... Apollo would have been a fantastic choice, maybe even a few players with large followings like Destiny for instance, he has some experience and would be a fun co caster addition. Overall if it was 10$ I would buy it again in a heartbeat, and if Day9 showed up 15$ would be fine, I wanted to pay 20$ this time because I feel like supporting MLG in their first try was worth it
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I tuned in for the first free game on Friday. It was laggy. My decision was made. I didn't watch it for free either. The games are being released for free in a week right?? Plus if I was to pay $20 I would just sit in my room all weekend..there are no barcrafts in South Carolina.
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On February 27 2012 14:05 DrNebula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:03 Big_Pete1999 wrote:
I subscribe/pay for GSL and consider it totally worth every penny.
I didn't and won't pay for MLG because it is too laggy, too much downtime, too cheesy (like they just want to end things ASAP), etc.
While I support E-Sports (such as paying for GSL, buying other merchandise, I'm not sure I'll ever pay for MLG. Hell, even GSL lets you watch it for free if you catch it live. I know it costs money for MLG, but that's where sponsors and tickets to attend come into play. Just like other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, etc...), they are aired on tv for free, you have to buy a ticket to attend, and they make their money because of sponsors.
I know MLG's stance for a PPV event was to be taken more "seriously", but honestly, I think they took 2 steps back because of the obvious alienation of their fanbase. People who don't attend live events are use to watching for free, so if they want E-Sports to be taken as seriously as other sports, they need to follow their recipe for success (sponsors, paid admission, free stream). It makes more sense to have people pay for VODs than it does to pay to stream it live.
I'll continue to subscribe to GSL because I can't watch it live, therefor, relying on VODs, just like I'll continue to pay for my NFL season tickets, but I don't think I'll ever pay for MLG to watch it stream live. That recipe just doesn't make any sense. since when is tv free????
Seeing I live in the US, it is absolutely free for the "National" channels like CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, etc. which is where you find sports like NFL.
Hell, if you want to play that game of saying you need to "buy cable tv" to watch TV, then by your logic, we "buy internet", so shouldn't MLG be streamed for free because "since when is internet free?"
What I'm saying is that IMO, MLG alienated a ton of viewers who would have otherwise watched, and who would have otherwise seen whatever sponsors they could/should have had advertise their products, put subliminal messages in our head to buy their soda or their graphics cards, or whatever they sell.
It isn't that people can't afford $20, or that they are too "cheap" to buy it, it's just that except for very rare things, most people aren't use to having to pay to watch their sports on tv.
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I've paid $20 for two orders of shitty egg rolls at this crappy upscale wannabe Thai restaurant. I think 3 days of the amazing I saw is definitely worth it.
Will buy again.
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Probably not, I would pay a lesser amount like 10. At least then I could forgive momentary lag issues and B stream casters such a Tumba.
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I would if they had more bo5's, especially in semi finals.
I feel like players don't get to showcase everything when they are limited to a bo3, for instance g1 is won straight up then g2 won by cheese for a 2-0.
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No, I did not subscribe and won't subscribe to the next one.
I have to imagine there's going to be a very skewed amount of "yes" in this thread, though, which won't remotely represent the SC2 viewing community as a whole.
I look forward to seeing how their next regular MLG goes.
edit: Oh and like some other people have said, the price really doesn't matter to me. I'll pay far more money than that for much sillier stuff. The price could be 1 cent and I would not pay, it just has nothing to do with my financials. I'm just against the pricing model and I do not want to support a system I believe is bad for all parties.
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On February 27 2012 14:41 Big_Pete1999 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:05 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 14:03 Big_Pete1999 wrote:
I subscribe/pay for GSL and consider it totally worth every penny.
I didn't and won't pay for MLG because it is too laggy, too much downtime, too cheesy (like they just want to end things ASAP), etc.
While I support E-Sports (such as paying for GSL, buying other merchandise, I'm not sure I'll ever pay for MLG. Hell, even GSL lets you watch it for free if you catch it live. I know it costs money for MLG, but that's where sponsors and tickets to attend come into play. Just like other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, etc...), they are aired on tv for free, you have to buy a ticket to attend, and they make their money because of sponsors.
I know MLG's stance for a PPV event was to be taken more "seriously", but honestly, I think they took 2 steps back because of the obvious alienation of their fanbase. People who don't attend live events are use to watching for free, so if they want E-Sports to be taken as seriously as other sports, they need to follow their recipe for success (sponsors, paid admission, free stream). It makes more sense to have people pay for VODs than it does to pay to stream it live.
I'll continue to subscribe to GSL because I can't watch it live, therefor, relying on VODs, just like I'll continue to pay for my NFL season tickets, but I don't think I'll ever pay for MLG to watch it stream live. That recipe just doesn't make any sense. since when is tv free???? Seeing I live in the US, it is absolutely free for the "National" channels like CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, etc. which is where you find sports like NFL. Hell, if you want to play that game of saying you need to "buy cable tv" to watch TV, then by your logic, we "buy internet", so shouldn't MLG be streamed for free because "since when is internet free?" What I'm saying is that IMO, MLG alienated a ton of viewers who would have otherwise watched, and who would have otherwise seen whatever sponsors they could/should have had advertise their products, put subliminal messages in our head to buy their soda or their graphics cards, or whatever they sell. It isn't that people can't afford $20, or that they are too "cheap" to buy it, it's just that except for very rare things, most people aren't use to having to pay to watch their sports on tv.
Well see those tv channels you pay for, pay those sporting leagues to broadcast those games. But that ISP you pay, they don't pay MLG a dime. So its not the same thing.
And of those "free sports" you watch on tv, do you see every game for free?
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On February 27 2012 14:31 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:22 Zdrastochye wrote:
To those "omg it's just a dinner, just fork over $20" people, do you understand prices? You pay what you think is fair for something, and if it's a little high you try to get a more fair price. It's seen with big purchases (you'd never pay sticker price for a car), but the principle is the same for this. If you think it's worth $10 or $15 or $5 what's wrong with voicing that? I'm sure people would be able to tell you what they want if they pay $20 for it, no reason to berate people for feeling that their money was a fair amount for what they got in return. lol I guess that's why convenience stores exist. People seem to forget value as price approaches zero. I don't and I don't shop at convenience stores either.
No, that's the basic principle of economics. People always follow what best interest for them. If there're 2 lines in a coffee shop, and with time is the value unit, you will always see people from the long line to move to the short line until 2 lines are even. With price is the value unit, people will always want a lower price for the product to a price range that they feel comfortable.
To a lot of people here, MLG is not deserved $20 for various reasons: casters, atmosphere, convenient time, budget, hate Dr.Pepper products, and so on........ Not many people in the world live in US timezone, have a nice job, budget, can listen to English, freetime in the weekend, like playing SC2,.... The more you raise your price/value tag, the harder people will consider their options.
And I don't understand your convenience stores reference. Convenience stores exist because convenience is the value unit, people shop there not because of the price, but to save time and convenient. People like you are the prime target that should shop in the convenience stores. Where do you shop, just curious?
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Didn't subscribe but went to a barcraft for the finals.
If the stream was more reliable and price was lower I might consider it but based on previous MLG events I'm still pretty iffy about it...
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I think alot of the fence hoppers will purchase next time. Assuming they get the pay wall fixed. It was a pretty incredible tournament, and if there hadnt been a bug allowing people to watch for free they would have had many more purchase.
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On February 27 2012 14:42 Nagano wrote:
I've paid $20 for two orders of shitty egg rolls at this crappy upscale wannabe Thai restaurant. I think 3 days of the amazing I saw is definitely worth it.
Will buy again.
I paid $7 for a 10lb bag of rice 3 months ago and I'm still working on it.
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Wont pay ever.
What is this bs btw that mlg HAS to make profit?
Mlg does not have to make a profit.
Tons of people in tons of different sports organise tournaments not to make profit but because they love a certain sport.
They try to break even and they dont try to make monney from it.
Like for example badminton, or darts or near anny other smaller sports.
Where did this weird idea come from to monetise sc tournaments, and try make profit from it? its just greed.
Its outrageous that they have been selling this as "needed to safe esports and sc",such a bs.
Sc does not need to be safed, the tournaments are more popular then ever.
They just trying to cash in on the hype.
How much profit did mlg make btw?
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