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What I liked most about this tournament, is that it never felt as if I was watching just another game. Too often tournaments turn into a point where is a popular player vs a mediocre player, with a rare upset. And by the end of the tourny when its actually the best players, its over so quickly. From the 1st match friday until the end of sunday it was non-stop fantastic matches. I was on the fence about buying, but I'm really happy with my decision.
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On February 27 2012 14:03 Big_Pete1999 wrote:
I subscribe/pay for GSL and consider it totally worth every penny.
I didn't and won't pay for MLG because it is too laggy, too much downtime, too cheesy (like they just want to end things ASAP), etc.
While I support E-Sports (such as paying for GSL, buying other merchandise, I'm not sure I'll ever pay for MLG. Hell, even GSL lets you watch it for free if you catch it live. I know it costs money for MLG, but that's where sponsors and tickets to attend come into play. Just like other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, etc...), they are aired on tv for free, you have to buy a ticket to attend, and they make their money because of sponsors.
I know MLG's stance for a PPV event was to be taken more "seriously", but honestly, I think they took 2 steps back because of the obvious alienation of their fanbase. People who don't attend live events are use to watching for free, so if they want E-Sports to be taken as seriously as other sports, they need to follow their recipe for success (sponsors, paid admission, free stream). It makes more sense to have people pay for VODs than it does to pay to stream it live.
I'll continue to subscribe to GSL because I can't watch it live, therefor, relying on VODs, just like I'll continue to pay for my NFL season tickets, but I don't think I'll ever pay for MLG to watch it stream live. That recipe just doesn't make any sense.
since when is tv free????
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I just want some organization to provide information of the personalities of players similar to what homestory cup did. It paints a better picture for the matches and makes them mean more to the fan. I don't care how they do it. They can add a player discussions or just mic the players. All I know is that the same fluff interviews just won't work. I would be willing to subscribe and pay if they provided that.
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On February 27 2012 14:05 DrNebula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:03 Big_Pete1999 wrote:
I subscribe/pay for GSL and consider it totally worth every penny.
I didn't and won't pay for MLG because it is too laggy, too much downtime, too cheesy (like they just want to end things ASAP), etc.
While I support E-Sports (such as paying for GSL, buying other merchandise, I'm not sure I'll ever pay for MLG. Hell, even GSL lets you watch it for free if you catch it live. I know it costs money for MLG, but that's where sponsors and tickets to attend come into play. Just like other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, etc...), they are aired on tv for free, you have to buy a ticket to attend, and they make their money because of sponsors.
I know MLG's stance for a PPV event was to be taken more "seriously", but honestly, I think they took 2 steps back because of the obvious alienation of their fanbase. People who don't attend live events are use to watching for free, so if they want E-Sports to be taken as seriously as other sports, they need to follow their recipe for success (sponsors, paid admission, free stream). It makes more sense to have people pay for VODs than it does to pay to stream it live.
I'll continue to subscribe to GSL because I can't watch it live, therefor, relying on VODs, just like I'll continue to pay for my NFL season tickets, but I don't think I'll ever pay for MLG to watch it stream live. That recipe just doesn't make any sense. since when is tv free????
In the US most big sports events are aired on "basic" channels which are free.
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On February 27 2012 14:01 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:56 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:52 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:48 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:44 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:41 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:20 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:47 Angel_ wrote:
Yes, if it's not $20.
If we're moving into a model where e-sports charges for the event/season/whatever, MLG has definitely demonstrated that their product is worth paying for (and still needs improvement, always), however...it's not worth $20. This. From what I saw friday it was nice and I would pay but not 20$. well what would you be willing to pay?? a whole dollar? holy crap 20 bucks is not that much, next time call me and i'll pay for you. Add up the total amount of games a GSL season will have. Divide that by $15 and then multiply it by the number of games an Arena will have. That is how much I am willing to pay. That would be between 5-6$ I believe. i don't know what you're career is but i'm sure you would appreciate making a decent amount of money, Sundance is putting all the money he makes back into mlg so by paying 20 bucks your helping keep mlg around, if that's not worth not getting a good game per dollar ratio then that's fine by me, but i will still be paying 20 dollars. Paying because you felt bad for him is terrible for E-Sports. No one pays for the HD Sports channels because they feel bad for the NFL. Same with UFC or literally anything else people pay for. A business cannot work like that and honestly the fact they went for that angle when advertising the pass and during the interview with him kind of makes me not want to buy the next pass event if they do try to compare to GSL's game/dollar ratio. wait let me re-read my post to check if i ever said i felt bad for him or mlg, nope i didn't. how come 20 bucks is 1/4 of your life savings to everyone? it's seriously less than you would spend going to a sit down restaurant or to a movie with your girlfriend I like how you don't understand why people don't wanna pay $20, and you berate people cause you think $20 is probably too much money for them. $20 isn't much at all. It's the product that you're buying with it, people don't think it's worth it. There are so many other tournaments out there and every one of them has a free stream option. What about MLG is special that it can charge $20, for less games than the GSL?
if you don't want to pay 20 bucks for the product than you don't have to, no one is forcing you to, mlg can do whatever they want and whatever they think is best for them. there was a lot of thought that went into the decision to charge for this even and i'm sure when the number of viewers is released it will be a large number that payed the 20 dollars. mlg is concerned in their well being and it was advantageous for them to charge, whether or not you payed there are many many people who did.
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I paid my $15 and I easily got my moneys worth out of it. The players were awesome, the games great, the production quality excellent. Only issues was stream lag and stupid twitch log in bug. Even with the technical foibles it was still worthwhile.
Spending the money a few times a year is no big deal. Now if some tournament is expecting me to pay $20 (or even $5) every weekend I'm out.
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No, and I didn't subscribe this time and I didn't watch.
I went over this in another thread, but basically my stance is that PPV will never work for an eSport. I understand why they did it, they are obviously struggling money-wise, but with the profits they make from straight up payments I'm sure they will lose in ad revenue due to massive loss in viewers. This is the internet, why would someone pay for your stream when they could watch any of the hundreds of other streams of SC2 for free. It's not like a sport where events are tied up to cable company contracts and few and far between.
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On February 27 2012 14:07 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:05 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 14:03 Big_Pete1999 wrote:
I subscribe/pay for GSL and consider it totally worth every penny.
I didn't and won't pay for MLG because it is too laggy, too much downtime, too cheesy (like they just want to end things ASAP), etc.
While I support E-Sports (such as paying for GSL, buying other merchandise, I'm not sure I'll ever pay for MLG. Hell, even GSL lets you watch it for free if you catch it live. I know it costs money for MLG, but that's where sponsors and tickets to attend come into play. Just like other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, etc...), they are aired on tv for free, you have to buy a ticket to attend, and they make their money because of sponsors.
I know MLG's stance for a PPV event was to be taken more "seriously", but honestly, I think they took 2 steps back because of the obvious alienation of their fanbase. People who don't attend live events are use to watching for free, so if they want E-Sports to be taken as seriously as other sports, they need to follow their recipe for success (sponsors, paid admission, free stream). It makes more sense to have people pay for VODs than it does to pay to stream it live.
I'll continue to subscribe to GSL because I can't watch it live, therefor, relying on VODs, just like I'll continue to pay for my NFL season tickets, but I don't think I'll ever pay for MLG to watch it stream live. That recipe just doesn't make any sense. since when is tv free???? In the US most big sports events are aired on "basic" channels which are free.
Well when MLG can sell the rights to broadcast their tournaments for hundreds of millions of dollars, MLG will gladly stop the PPV.
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I'm satisfied.
Just laggy at times and drops. Also, I really wish they would fix the stupid extended series rule, as in get rid of it.
And the semifinals should be bo5, with the finals / grand finals being bo7
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On February 27 2012 14:11 Sensator wrote:
No, and I didn't subscribe this time and I didn't watch.
I went over this in another thread, but basically my stance is that PPV will never work for an eSport. I understand why they did it, they are obviously struggling money-wise, but with the profits they make from straight up payments I'm sure they will lose in ad revenue due to massive loss in viewers. This is the internet, why would someone pay for your stream when they could watch any of the hundreds of other streams of SC2 for free. It's not like a sport where events are tied up to cable company contracts and few and far between.
why have people bought boxing and ufc PPVs when you can watch them for free?
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On February 27 2012 14:08 DrNebula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:01 Chaggi wrote:On February 27 2012 13:56 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:52 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:48 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:44 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:41 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:20 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:47 Angel_ wrote:
Yes, if it's not $20.
If we're moving into a model where e-sports charges for the event/season/whatever, MLG has definitely demonstrated that their product is worth paying for (and still needs improvement, always), however...it's not worth $20. This. From what I saw friday it was nice and I would pay but not 20$. well what would you be willing to pay?? a whole dollar? holy crap 20 bucks is not that much, next time call me and i'll pay for you. Add up the total amount of games a GSL season will have. Divide that by $15 and then multiply it by the number of games an Arena will have. That is how much I am willing to pay. That would be between 5-6$ I believe. i don't know what you're career is but i'm sure you would appreciate making a decent amount of money, Sundance is putting all the money he makes back into mlg so by paying 20 bucks your helping keep mlg around, if that's not worth not getting a good game per dollar ratio then that's fine by me, but i will still be paying 20 dollars. Paying because you felt bad for him is terrible for E-Sports. No one pays for the HD Sports channels because they feel bad for the NFL. Same with UFC or literally anything else people pay for. A business cannot work like that and honestly the fact they went for that angle when advertising the pass and during the interview with him kind of makes me not want to buy the next pass event if they do try to compare to GSL's game/dollar ratio. wait let me re-read my post to check if i ever said i felt bad for him or mlg, nope i didn't. how come 20 bucks is 1/4 of your life savings to everyone? it's seriously less than you would spend going to a sit down restaurant or to a movie with your girlfriend I like how you don't understand why people don't wanna pay $20, and you berate people cause you think $20 is probably too much money for them. $20 isn't much at all. It's the product that you're buying with it, people don't think it's worth it. There are so many other tournaments out there and every one of them has a free stream option. What about MLG is special that it can charge $20, for less games than the GSL? if you don't want to pay 20 bucks for the product than you don't have to, no one is forcing you to, mlg can do whatever they want and whatever they think is best for them. there was a lot of thought that went into the decision to charge for this even and i'm sure when the number of viewers is released it will be a large number that payed the 20 dollars. mlg is concerned in their well being and it was advantageous for them to charge, whether or not you payed there are many many people who did.
And yet if someone doesn't feel the 20$ is worth it you rip on them saying "wow you must be poor not to want to pay 20$" when you have no idea what's going on in that persons life or maybe he/she really doesn't feel like throwing down 20$ for whatever reason.
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On February 27 2012 14:11 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:07 NotSorry wrote:On February 27 2012 14:05 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 14:03 Big_Pete1999 wrote:
I subscribe/pay for GSL and consider it totally worth every penny.
I didn't and won't pay for MLG because it is too laggy, too much downtime, too cheesy (like they just want to end things ASAP), etc.
While I support E-Sports (such as paying for GSL, buying other merchandise, I'm not sure I'll ever pay for MLG. Hell, even GSL lets you watch it for free if you catch it live. I know it costs money for MLG, but that's where sponsors and tickets to attend come into play. Just like other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, etc...), they are aired on tv for free, you have to buy a ticket to attend, and they make their money because of sponsors.
I know MLG's stance for a PPV event was to be taken more "seriously", but honestly, I think they took 2 steps back because of the obvious alienation of their fanbase. People who don't attend live events are use to watching for free, so if they want E-Sports to be taken as seriously as other sports, they need to follow their recipe for success (sponsors, paid admission, free stream). It makes more sense to have people pay for VODs than it does to pay to stream it live.
I'll continue to subscribe to GSL because I can't watch it live, therefor, relying on VODs, just like I'll continue to pay for my NFL season tickets, but I don't think I'll ever pay for MLG to watch it stream live. That recipe just doesn't make any sense. since when is tv free???? In the US most big sports events are aired on "basic" channels which are free. Well when MLG can sell the rights to broadcast their tournaments for hundreds of millions of dollars, MLG will gladly stop the PPV.
When your viewership takes a 80% decline overnight who's gonna pay for commercials?
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Never. I refuse to pay any amount of money for something that has a chance of just crashing randomly.
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On February 27 2012 14:08 DrNebula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:01 Chaggi wrote:On February 27 2012 13:56 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:52 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:48 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:44 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:41 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:20 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:47 Angel_ wrote:
Yes, if it's not $20.
If we're moving into a model where e-sports charges for the event/season/whatever, MLG has definitely demonstrated that their product is worth paying for (and still needs improvement, always), however...it's not worth $20. This. From what I saw friday it was nice and I would pay but not 20$. well what would you be willing to pay?? a whole dollar? holy crap 20 bucks is not that much, next time call me and i'll pay for you. Add up the total amount of games a GSL season will have. Divide that by $15 and then multiply it by the number of games an Arena will have. That is how much I am willing to pay. That would be between 5-6$ I believe. i don't know what you're career is but i'm sure you would appreciate making a decent amount of money, Sundance is putting all the money he makes back into mlg so by paying 20 bucks your helping keep mlg around, if that's not worth not getting a good game per dollar ratio then that's fine by me, but i will still be paying 20 dollars. Paying because you felt bad for him is terrible for E-Sports. No one pays for the HD Sports channels because they feel bad for the NFL. Same with UFC or literally anything else people pay for. A business cannot work like that and honestly the fact they went for that angle when advertising the pass and during the interview with him kind of makes me not want to buy the next pass event if they do try to compare to GSL's game/dollar ratio. wait let me re-read my post to check if i ever said i felt bad for him or mlg, nope i didn't. how come 20 bucks is 1/4 of your life savings to everyone? it's seriously less than you would spend going to a sit down restaurant or to a movie with your girlfriend I like how you don't understand why people don't wanna pay $20, and you berate people cause you think $20 is probably too much money for them. $20 isn't much at all. It's the product that you're buying with it, people don't think it's worth it. There are so many other tournaments out there and every one of them has a free stream option. What about MLG is special that it can charge $20, for less games than the GSL? if you don't want to pay 20 bucks for the product than you don't have to, no one is forcing you to, mlg can do whatever they want and whatever they think is best for them. there was a lot of thought that went into the decision to charge for this even and i'm sure when the number of viewers is released it will be a large number that payed the 20 dollars. mlg is concerned in their well being and it was advantageous for them to charge, whether or not you payed there are many many people who did.
That's pretty obvious. Pay for something you want to pay for. We're arguing about the PPV model vs free stream + advertising model.
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On February 27 2012 13:41 DrNebula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:20 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:47 Angel_ wrote:
Yes, if it's not $20.
If we're moving into a model where e-sports charges for the event/season/whatever, MLG has definitely demonstrated that their product is worth paying for (and still needs improvement, always), however...it's not worth $20. This. From what I saw friday it was nice and I would pay but not 20$. well what would you be willing to pay?? a whole dollar? holy crap 20 bucks is not that much, next time call me and i'll pay for you.
$100 is not that much to most people. Would you pay that? Why or why not?
Next I'll ask $1000 and so on and you'll have your answer. Relative value.
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On February 27 2012 14:11 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:07 NotSorry wrote:On February 27 2012 14:05 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 14:03 Big_Pete1999 wrote:
I subscribe/pay for GSL and consider it totally worth every penny.
I didn't and won't pay for MLG because it is too laggy, too much downtime, too cheesy (like they just want to end things ASAP), etc.
While I support E-Sports (such as paying for GSL, buying other merchandise, I'm not sure I'll ever pay for MLG. Hell, even GSL lets you watch it for free if you catch it live. I know it costs money for MLG, but that's where sponsors and tickets to attend come into play. Just like other sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, Soccer, etc...), they are aired on tv for free, you have to buy a ticket to attend, and they make their money because of sponsors.
I know MLG's stance for a PPV event was to be taken more "seriously", but honestly, I think they took 2 steps back because of the obvious alienation of their fanbase. People who don't attend live events are use to watching for free, so if they want E-Sports to be taken as seriously as other sports, they need to follow their recipe for success (sponsors, paid admission, free stream). It makes more sense to have people pay for VODs than it does to pay to stream it live.
I'll continue to subscribe to GSL because I can't watch it live, therefor, relying on VODs, just like I'll continue to pay for my NFL season tickets, but I don't think I'll ever pay for MLG to watch it stream live. That recipe just doesn't make any sense. since when is tv free???? In the US most big sports events are aired on "basic" channels which are free. Well when MLG can sell the rights to broadcast their tournaments for hundreds of millions of dollars, MLG will gladly stop the PPV.
That's gonna be hard when there are several other similar other high-quality tournaments that run their shit for free, are continuously growing, and are gaining more viewers rather than alienating them.
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On February 27 2012 14:12 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:08 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 14:01 Chaggi wrote:On February 27 2012 13:56 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:52 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:48 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:44 JJH777 wrote:On February 27 2012 13:41 DrNebula wrote:On February 27 2012 13:20 blade55555 wrote:On February 27 2012 12:47 Angel_ wrote:
Yes, if it's not $20.
If we're moving into a model where e-sports charges for the event/season/whatever, MLG has definitely demonstrated that their product is worth paying for (and still needs improvement, always), however...it's not worth $20. This. From what I saw friday it was nice and I would pay but not 20$. well what would you be willing to pay?? a whole dollar? holy crap 20 bucks is not that much, next time call me and i'll pay for you. Add up the total amount of games a GSL season will have. Divide that by $15 and then multiply it by the number of games an Arena will have. That is how much I am willing to pay. That would be between 5-6$ I believe. i don't know what you're career is but i'm sure you would appreciate making a decent amount of money, Sundance is putting all the money he makes back into mlg so by paying 20 bucks your helping keep mlg around, if that's not worth not getting a good game per dollar ratio then that's fine by me, but i will still be paying 20 dollars. Paying because you felt bad for him is terrible for E-Sports. No one pays for the HD Sports channels because they feel bad for the NFL. Same with UFC or literally anything else people pay for. A business cannot work like that and honestly the fact they went for that angle when advertising the pass and during the interview with him kind of makes me not want to buy the next pass event if they do try to compare to GSL's game/dollar ratio. wait let me re-read my post to check if i ever said i felt bad for him or mlg, nope i didn't. how come 20 bucks is 1/4 of your life savings to everyone? it's seriously less than you would spend going to a sit down restaurant or to a movie with your girlfriend I like how you don't understand why people don't wanna pay $20, and you berate people cause you think $20 is probably too much money for them. $20 isn't much at all. It's the product that you're buying with it, people don't think it's worth it. There are so many other tournaments out there and every one of them has a free stream option. What about MLG is special that it can charge $20, for less games than the GSL? if you don't want to pay 20 bucks for the product than you don't have to, no one is forcing you to, mlg can do whatever they want and whatever they think is best for them. there was a lot of thought that went into the decision to charge for this even and i'm sure when the number of viewers is released it will be a large number that payed the 20 dollars. mlg is concerned in their well being and it was advantageous for them to charge, whether or not you payed there are many many people who did. And yet if someone doesn't feel the 20$ is worth it you rip on them saying "wow you must be poor not to want to pay 20$" when you have no idea what's going on in that persons life or maybe he/she really doesn't feel like throwing down 20$ for whatever reason.
i never said that anyone was poor and not able to pay the 20 dollars, i think that if you enjoy watching starcraft enough you can come up with the 20 dollars, i'm not ripping on people who are short on cash, sometimes you need to choose between what you're going to spend your 20 dollars on, i know that this past weekend, i chose mlg.
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Going from $0-$20 is a big step, considering their competitors are free(ROG had better finals too). I would instantly pay $5 though. Maybe charge $10-15 for awesome features and offer a free stream at least. That was the thing that piss me off I guess, no crappy free stream.
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The community needs to realize that not everything is going to have a free option. It would be great if every tournament could have a free option but then the tournament will make no money. I am sure that mlg will evaluate the $20 price and maybe lower for the next event. It is annoying how everyone in the community expects a free stream that is absolutely flawless the whole way through the event. Well guess what, until stracraft is on tv, the lag issues and such will continue and the community will just have to deal with it. If a person is unable to pay $20 to watch the event, well they have to wait for the vods to become free. Thats the bottom line. Every company out there is trying to make money in the long run, these companies are no different. If the community continues to pull out the pitchforks on every single decision that is made, the amount of tournaments will go down.
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I don't know if I'll subscribe in the future.
Things pointing to me subscribing again:
Tastosis
Great talent
Multi-stream format along with other production value adds
Things pointing to me not subscribing again:
Fairly expensive compared to other similar products
Twitch.tv provided a terrible viewing experience (laggy, lower quality, constant reauthing, stream crashing)
Outside of Tastosis I don't think I'm getting the casting experience I want
All of this is completely subjective, I understand that and offer it up in that vein. I would like to continue to support MLG because I appreciate how hard they work, but I'm not sure if they earned my money with this first outing. Perhaps if they acknowledge the streaming issues, make some room for press/fans, and perhaps drop the price slightly, then I'll be back 200%,
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