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melinauvu
Turkey15 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 23 2012 18:49 syllogism wrote: Teamliquid doesn't have to "get" anything. The only issue here is, besides TL potentially taking a political stance, whether the calendar better serves users by not including a very major event. If the answer is yes, then the decision is correct. If TL thinks the main purpose of the calendar is to inform the community when events are being streamed for free, then again that is correct. However, if the calendar aims to be informative and TL is more about starcraft news in general than just free streams, the decision is wrong. I believe any reasonable person would conclude the latter is more reasonable. Then you should be equally against TL's "no advertisement" policy. It's the same thing and TL have been very diligent against that. I can make the best sc2 app in the world but if it's pay only and I don't want to get a sponsored thread, I'm not allowed to create a thread to promote it. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14215 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:08 Otolia wrote: What about Liquipedia ? this doesn't change anything other then the calender don't worry. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:08 Otolia wrote: What about Liquipedia ? Well of course it will still be updated! What are they going to do, make it so you can't edit any MLG page? The issue here is not discussing MLG. There will be LR threads and articles and stuff. The point is, TL does not list PPV events on the calendar, they didn't for GSL when they had the PPV AoL either. MLG didn't want to pay for a sponsored event, so that was that. It's not like MLG is now "the tournament that must not be named" on TL or anything, it's just not on the calendar :D | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:08 Otolia wrote: What about Liquipedia ? Liquipedia will also be updated, as usual. The only thing that is changing is that there will be no calendar entry. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
TL flips the bird at MLG. Kudos for this bold move. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:05 ceaRshaf wrote: First of all "they" was referring to the people/members not TL organization. Second, hearing about a product is what advertising means. TL is not obligated to share your product to the rest of the community since the majority of the community may not benefit from hearing the news. So they can't do MLG a free service that is not a direct benefit to the community (indirectly it is, if you pay for MLG). And if you include "any reasonable person would think like me" is not helping you argument. You are just trying to force an argument win. An event being on calendar offers a direct benefit: information. Moreover, knowing that an event is taking place does not harm anyone and it doesn't make the calendar any less useful overall. The fact that informing TL users also provides some free advertising is not harming anyone and informing is better than not informing. Whatever their stance on "advertising" is, it's not consistent as they are still covering the event under news. As long as there is a good reason for including the event on the calendar that is not JUST advertising, it should be done. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 23 2012 18:08 archonOOid wrote: why are tl taking a political stance? i can't really comprehend the reasoning behind the decision. ppv streams are a part of the future streaming landscape but tl thinks otherwise. however tl isn't equal to all of the sc2 community and mlg.tv is a well known website. TL is a website ruled by Nazgul and he does what he wants. And he's pretty right on that one, this MLG even sounds like an utter failure. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:11 syllogism wrote: An event being on calendar offers a direct benefit: information. Moreover, knowing that an event is taking place does not harm anyone and it doesn't make the calendar any less useful overall. The fact informing TL users also provides some free advertising is not harming anyone and informing is better than not informing. The new detergent appearing on the television between shows is the same thing, it's information to the public that that product exists. It's called a commercial and it costs money. Teamliquid wants the calendar to be a place where you can go and look at starcraft at that instance not to point you to indirect links that also require money. If you want info the LR thread will appear in the tournament section. | ||
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XenoX101
Australia729 Posts
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BanditX
United States78 Posts
Secondly we are approaching a critical moment for Starcraft 2 and I think it is the correct decision of TL to stick to their policy in an attempt to stay neutral in the debate between PPV and expense optional content. And thirdly, holy shit, its very rare to see integrity expressed anywhere when it comes to business decisions. GG TL. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14215 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:10 theBALLS wrote: Bottomline: TL flips the bird at MLG. Kudos for this bold move. Thats not it at all. They just don't want to be advertising pay only events. Did you read the op at all? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:08 Otolia wrote: What about Liquipedia ? What about it? Obviously it will be updated with the results. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:11 mr_tolkien wrote: TL is a website ruled by Nazgul and he does what he wants. And he's pretty right on that one, this MLG even sounds like an utter failure. TL is a website run by the admin and reds. This was not a decision taken lightly; the reds had a very long discussion about it. On February 23 2012 19:11 syllogism wrote: An event being on calendar offers a direct benefit: information. Moreover, knowing that an event is taking place does not harm anyone and it doesn't make the calendar any less useful overall. The fact informing TL users also provides some free advertising is not harming anyone and informing is better than not informing. As Hot_bid explained, we realise that the calendar is a very useful source of information for our users. But not only is it informative, but it also is a very effective form of advertising - particularly when on air or leading up to the event. Having a constant display reminding everyone about an event is a very useful tool for tournament organisers to gain more viewers. In this situation, and after a lot of discussion, we decided that it is more of an advertising tool than it is an informative tool. And as such, we have made the decision you read in the OP. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On February 23 2012 17:21 syllogism wrote: Also, how come broodwar events are included despite them not providing free streams for most of the audience? Sure, there are almost always restreams, but that is something that doesn't depend on tournament organizers themselves. ... are you serious? | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:11 syllogism wrote: An event being on calendar offers a direct benefit: information. Moreover, knowing that an event is taking place does not harm anyone and it doesn't make the calendar any less useful overall. The fact that informing TL users also provides some free advertising is not harming anyone and informing is better than not informing. Whatever their stance on "advertising" is, it's not consistent as they are still covering the event under news. As long as there is a good reason for including the event on the calendar that is not JUST advertising, it should be done. There will be plenty of information in the tournaments section, on liquipedia, in the news section. A newspaper covers events that you have to pay for but they don't put a link to *insert broadcasting company* when it's broadcasted and if said company want to advertise in the newspaper they have to pay for it. How is that inconsitent? That is common sense. Also having free streams and ppv streams mixed up is not a service, it's a nuisanse. Sure there are ways around that but not how it currently works. | ||
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BanditX
United States78 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:15 XenoX101 wrote: Despite obviously being the owner's of the website I don't think that it is up to TL to decide what 'utility' an event provides to their community base. People use TL as the hub for their SC news, streams and events because there is no other website quite as comprehensive. In my opinion TL should recognize this and avoid choosing for the people what events provide 'utility' and what events don't, and what they are actually saying is 'utility towards free stream viewers' because for paying stream viewers the utility is obviously the same. I can completely understand from the financial point of view the need for a different model towards a purely PPV event, but if this can be financially agreed upon (which the OP does mention there was some disagreement about) then PPV SC2 events in future should always be listed on the calendar by the simple fact that they are SC2 events. Quite the contrary. It is entirely up to TL what they display on their website. That's part of how running a website works. Hot_Bid explained why it was more advertisement than information in the OP, and his argument is 100% solid. | ||
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XenoX101
Australia729 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:17 Plexa wrote: TL is a website run by the admin and reds. This was not a decision taken lightly; the reds had a very long discussion about it. As Hot_bid explained, we realise that the calendar is a very useful source of information for our users. But not only is it informative, but it also is a very effective form of advertising - particularly when on air or leading up to the event. Having a constant display reminding everyone about an event is a very useful tool for tournament organisers to gain more viewers. In this situation, and after a lot of discussion, we decided that it is more of an advertising tool than it is an informative tool. And as such, we have made the decision you read in the OP. If the customer is happy to pay then it is just as informative a tool to be informed of this tournament as it is for any free tournament. | ||
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