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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 08:56:59
February 23 2012 08:56 GMT
#281
I hadn't really thought about this, but having read the reasons it's encouraging to hear TLs stance. So, thanks.
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
Doomwish
Profile Joined July 2011
438 Posts
February 23 2012 08:59 GMT
#282
Doesn't bother me , as I am not going to pay to watch winter arena anyway.

Definitely a blow to MLG as this is pretty much the community site, but its their own fault for trying to set down greedy price tags to watch an event. In a community which is used to getting most of its content for free. What does sundance expect

Good riddance.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 09:04:43
February 23 2012 09:03 GMT
#283
Good call. I agree completely.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
February 23 2012 09:08 GMT
#284
why are tl taking a political stance? i can't really comprehend the reasoning behind the decision. ppv streams are a part of the future streaming landscape but tl thinks otherwise. however tl isn't equal to all of the sc2 community and mlg.tv is a well known website.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
February 23 2012 09:09 GMT
#285
On February 23 2012 17:35 Sgt. Bilko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 16:49 odder wrote:
when you think about it, this thread is free advertising

so is you and me posting in it ^.^

I don't think people posting in it matter so much considering it's in the Headlines section on the homepage of TL so bumping doesn't really matter until it gets cycled off the front page, which usually takes days.
$♥$
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
February 23 2012 09:21 GMT
#286
Great decision. From mods to site design, TL is a rare haven of sanity and integrity in the stormy waters of the web, please never degenerate.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
February 23 2012 09:21 GMT
#287
What a hell MLG, pay for freaking advertising.

MLG Adam stated in SOTG that they just go for word to mouth as advertising but it's TLs right to cut you off.

showmethemoney
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
February 23 2012 09:23 GMT
#288
I strongly disagree with this. This is a community site and from a community point of view it seems clear that there are practically no cons (slight clutter of calendar, nothing compared to daily showmatches, EU rebroadcasts and daily tournaments) even for non-viewers, but plenty of pros for viewers. Obviously TL can do whatever they want and do not need to succumb to popular opinion, but I really feel they are doing themselves and the community a disservice by refusing to act as an ultimate portal of MLG activity like it is with all other tournaments.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
February 23 2012 09:24 GMT
#289
On February 23 2012 18:23 rasnj wrote:
I strongly disagree with this. This is a community site and from a community point of view it seems clear that there are practically no cons (slight clutter of calendar, nothing compared to daily showmatches, EU rebroadcasts and daily tournaments) even for non-viewers, but plenty of pros for viewers. Obviously TL can do whatever they want and do not need to succumb to popular opinion, but I really feel they are doing themselves and the community a disservice by refusing to act as an ultimate portal of MLG activity like it is with all other tournaments.


You don't get it.

Teamliquid puts your name on that list and you get people and they get free stream.
For MLG, they put you on that list, you get people and they get.....
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
pampelmus
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Switzerland215 Posts
February 23 2012 09:32 GMT
#290
On February 23 2012 18:24 ceaRshaf wrote:
You don't get it.
Teamliquid puts your name on that list and you get people and they get free stream.
For MLG, they put you on that list, you get people and they get.....


Yeah, exactly.

Dudes watching embedded stream on Teamliquid = $$$
Dudes paying for streams on MLG = ...
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
February 23 2012 09:44 GMT
#291
Think this will be a big blow to MLG. I dont even know when it is Usually check the TL sidebar
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 23 2012 09:49 GMT
#292
On February 23 2012 18:24 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:23 rasnj wrote:
I strongly disagree with this. This is a community site and from a community point of view it seems clear that there are practically no cons (slight clutter of calendar, nothing compared to daily showmatches, EU rebroadcasts and daily tournaments) even for non-viewers, but plenty of pros for viewers. Obviously TL can do whatever they want and do not need to succumb to popular opinion, but I really feel they are doing themselves and the community a disservice by refusing to act as an ultimate portal of MLG activity like it is with all other tournaments.


You don't get it.

Teamliquid puts your name on that list and you get people and they get free stream.
For MLG, they put you on that list, you get people and they get.....

Teamliquid doesn't have to "get" anything. The only issue here is, besides TL potentially taking a political stance, whether the calendar better serves users by not including a very major event. If the answer is yes, then the decision is correct. If TL thinks the main purpose of the calendar is to inform the community when events are being streamed for free, then again that is correct. However, if the calendar aims to be informative and TL is more about starcraft news in general than just free streams, the decision is wrong. I believe any reasonable person would conclude the latter is more reasonable.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
February 23 2012 09:49 GMT
#293
thanks TL, I totally agree with your position on this matter.
keep it deep! @zulison
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
February 23 2012 09:52 GMT
#294
On February 23 2012 18:49 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:24 ceaRshaf wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:23 rasnj wrote:
I strongly disagree with this. This is a community site and from a community point of view it seems clear that there are practically no cons (slight clutter of calendar, nothing compared to daily showmatches, EU rebroadcasts and daily tournaments) even for non-viewers, but plenty of pros for viewers. Obviously TL can do whatever they want and do not need to succumb to popular opinion, but I really feel they are doing themselves and the community a disservice by refusing to act as an ultimate portal of MLG activity like it is with all other tournaments.


You don't get it.

Teamliquid puts your name on that list and you get people and they get free stream.
For MLG, they put you on that list, you get people and they get.....

Teamliquid doesn't have to "get" anything. The only issue here is, besides TL potentially taking a political stance, whether the calendar better serves users by not including a very major event. If the answer is yes, then the decision is correct. If TL thinks the main purpose of the calendar is to inform the community when events are being streamed for free, then again that is correct. However, if the calendar aims to be informative and TL is more about starcraft news in general than just free streams, the decision is wrong. I believe any reasonable person would conclude the latter is more reasonable.


No doubt a blow to the PPV advocates, whether they're for Winter Arena or not. Curious how many tournaments would test PPV, now that one more card will stack against the business model.
Thank God and gunrun.
DeSports
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9 Posts
February 23 2012 09:53 GMT
#295
100% behind TL on this choice, makes sense and I think MLG's viewing numbers will show them why PPV was a bad idea overall.
www.D-eSports.com - Unique and inspiring
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 09:57:20
February 23 2012 09:56 GMT
#296
On February 23 2012 18:52 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:49 syllogism wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:24 ceaRshaf wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:23 rasnj wrote:
I strongly disagree with this. This is a community site and from a community point of view it seems clear that there are practically no cons (slight clutter of calendar, nothing compared to daily showmatches, EU rebroadcasts and daily tournaments) even for non-viewers, but plenty of pros for viewers. Obviously TL can do whatever they want and do not need to succumb to popular opinion, but I really feel they are doing themselves and the community a disservice by refusing to act as an ultimate portal of MLG activity like it is with all other tournaments.


You don't get it.

Teamliquid puts your name on that list and you get people and they get free stream.
For MLG, they put you on that list, you get people and they get.....

Teamliquid doesn't have to "get" anything. The only issue here is, besides TL potentially taking a political stance, whether the calendar better serves users by not including a very major event. If the answer is yes, then the decision is correct. If TL thinks the main purpose of the calendar is to inform the community when events are being streamed for free, then again that is correct. However, if the calendar aims to be informative and TL is more about starcraft news in general than just free streams, the decision is wrong. I believe any reasonable person would conclude the latter is more reasonable.


No doubt a blow to the PPV advocates, whether they're for Winter Arena or not. Curious how many tournaments would test PPV, now that one more card will stack against the business model.

It's also a blow to anyone who views TL as a starcraft news hub and uses the calendar for not only to find out when events are being streamed for free, but also when they are actually occurring. As I said before, I don't always watch an event even when a stream is available, but rather follow a live report. Further, even when there is no free stream, it may be streamed "for free" at a barcraft event.

Yes, TL will still cover the event but it is going to be more difficult to find out when the event is actually starting.
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
February 23 2012 10:00 GMT
#297
The arguments make complete sense and yet it still feels wrong to me somehow. Maybe it's just me but I feel weird about it.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 10:03:49
February 23 2012 10:01 GMT
#298
Thank you very much TL. Finally someone who does not just want MONEYMONEYMONEY all the time.

On February 23 2012 18:08 archonOOid wrote:
why are tl taking a political stance? i can't really comprehend the reasoning behind the decision. ppv streams are a part of the future streaming landscape but tl thinks otherwise. however tl isn't equal to all of the sc2 community and mlg.tv is a well known website.


If so, goodbye esports. You´re impressively naive.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
February 23 2012 10:05 GMT
#299
On February 23 2012 18:49 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 18:24 ceaRshaf wrote:
On February 23 2012 18:23 rasnj wrote:
I strongly disagree with this. This is a community site and from a community point of view it seems clear that there are practically no cons (slight clutter of calendar, nothing compared to daily showmatches, EU rebroadcasts and daily tournaments) even for non-viewers, but plenty of pros for viewers. Obviously TL can do whatever they want and do not need to succumb to popular opinion, but I really feel they are doing themselves and the community a disservice by refusing to act as an ultimate portal of MLG activity like it is with all other tournaments.


You don't get it.

Teamliquid puts your name on that list and you get people and they get free stream.
For MLG, they put you on that list, you get people and they get.....

Teamliquid doesn't have to "get" anything. The only issue here is, besides TL potentially taking a political stance, whether the calendar better serves users by not including a very major event. If the answer is yes, then the decision is correct. If TL thinks the main purpose of the calendar is to inform the community when events are being streamed for free, then again that is correct. However, if the calendar aims to be informative and TL is more about starcraft news in general than just free streams, the decision is wrong. I believe any reasonable person would conclude the latter is more reasonable.


First of all "they" was referring to the people/members not TL organization.

Second, hearing about a product is what advertising means. TL is not obligated to share your product to the rest of the community since the majority of the community may not benefit from hearing the news. So they can't do MLG a free service that is not a direct benefit to the community (indirectly it is, if you pay for MLG).

And if you include "any reasonable person would think like me" is not helping you argument. You are just trying to force an argument win.

Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
February 23 2012 10:08 GMT
#300
What about Liquipedia ?
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